What do you all think of Arnold running for gov in CA?

[GN One Day...]

Especially those in CA.
Certainly not the first actor to run for office. He's been in the political mix for years, he may know more about it than some before. He's come a long way since the 70's/80's, pretty intelligent guy, but is it enough to be elected? Is it going to be a popularity contest?

Have there been any other governors born in other countries? Just out of curiosity.

 

[salvageV6]

The dude is living the American dream.

Let him run and win.

CAN'T be any worse than what they've had in the past.

Has more traditional American values than most of us on this board too.

Fiscally he should be conservative as well. Probably more important than anything in that State.

 

[striker_29]

Popularity contest

At this point it will probably end up being a popularity contest that determines the next governor of Ca. In a state where Gary Coleman, Larry Flynt, and comedian Gallagher are the opposition, Arnold is the "logical" choice. Arnold however is a RINO (Republican in name only) and that was obvious even in the short press conference last night. The statement that stuck out to me was correcting Ca's fiscal problems so they could "fund all these programs" that he is obviously in favor of. Sounds like big government to me. A liberal republican may be as good as it gets for Californians at the moment, and they could certainly do worse (see current adminsitration Gray Davis) for themselves. Out of all the possible candidates, the Terminator seems to have the edge for now. Watch out though, it should make for a couple of very interesting months when the mud starts to sling.

 

[GN One Day...]

Remember in the movie Demolition Man, set in the future, they talk about former President Schwarzenegger? Due to popularity, the laws were changed to allow him to run. LOL, what do you think would be next for him? I like the guy, he really is an impressive, driven person. There was some bio on him about a week ago on TV. He's been very active in charities for years, especially kids. Hard to watch Conan the Barbarian (awesome movie) and know that this is the same guy.

What was his stance on the war? I'd vote Arnie long before Sheen. Of course, I'm not in CA.

 

[Matt Weiser]

Well, as the first left-coaster to respond, I'll just start by saying this whole recall thing is a joke and a catastrophe engineered by a rich, selfish criminal, Darrell Issa. I'm no fan of Gray Davis, but the guy can't be blamed for all the problems this state has. The politics and economics and demographics are far too complex to make one person the fall guy. Removing the governor won't solve any problems, especially if you then elect somebody who has absolutely no political experience.

All that said, I'm not ready to rule Arnie out yet. We all need to hear A LOT MORE about his politics before election day, but I'm not running away after what I've heard so far. Maybe he IS a "liberal Republican", but frankly, that's the kind of Republican this state needs. Come on, it's California! We would never elect a George Bush as governor, just like we didn't elect him president. We need somebody moderate, to say the least.

My fear is that Arnie already has the whole thing locked up just because there are enough stupid people who will vote for him just because he has charisma and they like his movies. He's already guaranteed an outsized share of media attention, so anyone with real ideas or solutions will have a harder time getting that message out. As a rule, I don't like the idea of celebrities becoming politicians. Being famous doesn't equate with any ability to develop good public policy. In fact, it usually means the opposite.

 

[2quiktocare]

Well as a near life long Californian, I for one think it's the best thing in ages. California's problems are much greater than just the Governor, but as with any team, you need a leader. Gay Davis(not a misspelling) is no leader. The major thing Arnold brings to the table is his ability to not be intimidated by our socialistic legislature. The problem California faces, is over regulation that chases any business or individual that is successful out due to the punishing tax rates. This state has funded so much social engineering (B.S.) that it now is choking on it's own greed with a non responsive legislature that is doing nothing but buying their next election. Arnold is detached from the special interest enough and is financially independant enough to tell them to stuff it when they come crying. As far as Issa leading this thing, he signed on long after it all started. It wasn't his to start with, it was the people of Calfornia that did it because they are sick of the lies and deception that has been the hallmark of anything Davis has been associated with. This is not a catastrophe, it is a firing of an elected official. If you are a CEO of a company and aren't doing your job, and lying to your stock holders, they fire you now, not when your term is up. We can't afford Davis any longer. The cost of the election is less than the interest on one day of financing the debt he has allowed to occur during his term. The point of needing a moderate, I'm sorry, but that is what has us here to start with. If you know anything of Arnold, he isn't a moderate. He may not be a total conservative, but he believes strongly that the main trouble in this state is that too many things have been handled in a moderate way and that wishy washy methodology is void. He has strong core beliefs and is willing to take things straight to the people if needed, not cooking some deals in the back room to satisfy the ones that buy your election for you. A person is elected for what he says he will do, not to have him go capitulate to someone elses desires. Besides, the last time this state was in this bad of condition, we elected another actor to be our governor, and despite all the revision of history, Ronald Reagan was the best governor we have ever had. Ok, one more Californians thoughts.,,,,Mark

 

[gofstbuick]

Listening to his announcement , it sounds like he is a social conservative. IMHO he probably wants to retain some social programs, but wants to be fiscally consevative in the approach. I suspect CA will not tolerate a ultra conservative republican. As I survey the candidates (that I feel have a chance to unseat this governor), I will listen to what Issa has to say about issues. I probably will not cast a vote for Simon again. He had his opportunity and when he was backed into a wall, he overreacted (not the leadership qualities I'm looking for). IMHO, this is the same thing that Davis did during the 9/11 and the electricity deregulation. Bustamante is making the same claims that Davis made in his initial run for governor. Claiming he is the most qualified. Well, we now know just how unqualified and ineffective Davis has been. Those that claim that Davis is not responsible are disillusioned. He is the leader of this state, and though he is not responsible for all the decisions made, he has the responsibility to convey the leadership (and message) that will make California prosper. Since he cannot, this state now needs someone who can. As a leader, he surely did not lead!! Since I have not heard Arnolds view on the issues, I will withhold my decision and hear him out. I suspect it will come down to Issa and Arnold for the Republicans, Conejo for the Green, Huffington for the Independents, and Davis and Bustamante for the Democrats. Since I always vote Republican, I will decide after listening to the messages of each of the Republican candidiates (discounting Simon) and vote.

 

[Two Lane]

Arnie's new role:

"The Govenator!"
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Too bad about Davis...sniff-sniff...after all, he was hand-picked & specially blessed by both Clinton & Gore...boo-hoo...sniff-sniff...it's just so unfair...such a brilliant man, to be so unappreciated! (Violin symphony begins)

 

[WE4]

re: Ahole Davis

I think (know) ahole Davis has to go. I also think he should go out penniless as he has made so many Ca. residents and other residents of this nation penniless. Take away his money and the rest of the legislator's cash. This is where to hit them. I have already disclosed how much I loath him. He is directly 100% responsible for Ca's position now. 100%!!!!
I was prepared to piss on his grave should he pass. ( however Ca residents could never get that lucky.) I loved it when the state of Alaska told special interest to get the hell out of their state. Gray Davis' favorite thing was BRIBES from special interest groups. The fags, the enviromentalists, the save the this , save the that groups. These are things Arnold loathes also. He will not lie, cheat or take bribes as our ahole Davis has done repeatedly over that few years. Arnold will NOT cater to any special interest groups as he hates them too. Gray Davis is SOLEY responsible for the position Ca. is in, SOLEY. Arnold is also a motorcycle guy and car guy so maybe we have a chance there too. Take away the celebrity status and look at the man. I am not all pro Arnold but at this point he has the right direction and I think and believe the power to do something about it. look what he has ALREADY done for the education system and other things in this country already.
I will continue to support him both as a republican and a California resident.
Hell, maybe I should run as I got just as good of chance as friggin Gary Coleman. LOL.
Maybe the state of California still has a chance, but AHOLE Davis HAS TO GO!!!!


Bruce
WE4
TB.com admin

 

[striker_29]

Re: re: Ahole Davis

Originally posted by WE4
Hell, maybe I should run as I got just as good of chance as friggin Gary Coleman. LOL.

What you talkin 'bout Bruce

 

[2quiktocare]

We have a local talk show host here that is Rush's best friend, Tom Sulivan, he dubbed Davis the goobenor. Since Arnold came into the limelight, he has dubbed Arnold, the goobenator. Sounds accurate to me. Mark

 

[TR Custom Parts]

If anything it would make a great story for a movie. Good luck out there! Hey, if Jesse Ventura could do it, why not Ahhnold. I think he is pretty cool and might do a great job if given the chance. Bag the wife though, man is she FUGLY. Most of the "real" politicians out here in CT going to jail for having sex with kids and having their houses redone with taxpayers money. (well, mayors of two major cities here, anyway) Not to mention some scandals in the governors office.

 

[gofstbuick]

Re: Re: re: Ahole Davis

Originally posted by striker_29
What you talkin 'bout Bruce

gary cloeman

He means this.

 

[TurboJunky]

What kills me are the pundants that say "he has no experience", "this recall is a farce" and so on.

My perception is this is DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.

A recall is 100% legal and constitutional as is running for political office. So many complain of "professional politicians" and installed term limits then complain that those legally running for office don't have enough political experience.

This is nothing short of hyprocacy on the part of the liberal press. Let the people of California determine their own destiny. If they want Gray Davis out and Arnold Schwarznegger in so be it! If they want Mickey Mouse and vote him in then the PEOPLE have spoken...end of story.

Then I hear people like Mitch Albom complain not only that he has 0 experience but he's jumping down his back for announcing his candidacy on the Jay Leno Show.....so what! What does that have to do with a thing??....gimme a break

 

[2quiktocare]

Hey if a low life like Clinton can announce on MTV he wears boxers, why can't Arnold announce on Leno? Why would we want a Governor that has experience? We want someone with personal strength and sound ideas. Political experience equals someone that knows how to use the system for their own personal betterment, not whats good for the people. Mark

 

[CPAKCP]

When Greg Davis is repalced by a Republican, I wonder how long it will be until the next recall election???

 

[TurboJunky]

What makes you say:

He will be replaced by a Republican?

Another recall election is inevitable if GRAY (not Greg) Davis is replaced by a Republican?

You're making some pretty fallacious comments.

 

[Matt Weiser]

Originally posted by CPAKCP
When Greg Davis is repalced by a Republican, I wonder how long it will be until the next recall election???

I think all he's saying is that a recall isn't necessarily the answer to our problems. Perhaps only the beginning. Nothing fallacious about that. It's called opinion, and we're all entitled to one.

 

[CPAKCP]

TT/A1233,

Thanks for the correction! I have heard (don't live in CA.), that someone can take that election with less then 40% of the vote. Is that correct? With so many people running, you would think that the person would the most name recognition could win the race.

What a way to run a state, how many names did it take for the reclall vs. how many people voted for Davis - I guess an election in CA. doesn't matter

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by Matt Weiser
I think all he's saying is that a recall isn't necessarily the answer to our problems. Perhaps only the beginning. Nothing fallacious about that. It's called opinion, and we're all entitled to one.

I think you're assuming what he meant. Only he can interpret the meanings of his statments.

fal·la·cy n., pl. fal·la·cies. 1. A false notion. 2. A statement or an argument based on a false or an invalid inference. He said Gray Davis will be replaced by a Republican then asked when that recall election would take place after the Republican was elected. Sounds like a classic fallacy to me.

CPAKCP - I don't know what % is required to win under California law. However, this is nothing more than another election and is totally legal. All challenges to this recall election were rejected by the California Supreme Court today. If the PEOPLE feel their elected representative is doing such a horrible job it's their right to remove him from office and elect a replacement. This is nothing more than the right of the people of the State of California to excercise their right to vote.

In my opinion, those against this effort are attempting to deny the rights of people the process by which they elect/remove their elected officials and are attempting to remove rights guaranteed by constitutional and legislative law.

Personally I wouldn't care who the people decide to put in office, even a more liberal Democrat than Gov. Davis, point is it's the people's choice. The fact is an elected official must be accountable to those who put him in office in the first place. I'm not big on restricting the electorate's right to legally remove someone they legally elected.

With all this said I like to ask questions from the opposing view.

Why is this a bad idea?
Is the recall process lawful or not?
Is this process democratic?
Is it not the PEOPLE's legal right to conduct recall elections?
Is the right to recall an elected offical a fundamental right of the electorate?