Will the REAL John Kerry please stand up....

[turboscott]

There are many issues discussed on this thread so I am sure I won't cover all of them. I didn't read all the posts so if someone covered this stuff I apologize for the repeat.

What everyone needs to know is no matter who the President is, he has no more power than you or I do when it comes to setting policy. Yes, he can suggest something but everything he does has to be approved by Congress. Congress has the real power so if someone has a problem with Bush or any President for that matter call you Senator because there is a good chance at least one of your Senators approved his request. The only thing Bush has control over is going to war, when attacked. He can make that call without Congress but if you all recall, he got Congress' approval before going into Iraq. Bush has followed thru with everything he said in his speech after 9/11. He said he would take care of terrorists and those that harbor them. Hasn't he done just that. Everyone knows the was WMD in Iraq. No doubt they will be found. Saddam has hiding places all over the country and had weeks/months/years to hide them. Did people really think they would be found in weeks?

Bush has surrounded himself with very good people. And his father was the director of the CIA before he was the VP and then President. Don't think George Sr. isn't providing his son with some very valuable advice.

For the countries that don't like us. Tough noogies. Does anyone think we were the favorites of the world when we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan in WWII? Nope. But, France liked us then, didn't they. Because we saved their country for them. We won WWII and got rid fo Hitler and now look at Germany and Japan. We turned two communist countries into allies.

The deficit is an issue. I agree. But walked into the deficit left by Clinton and turned it around despite a terrorist attack and a scared economy all at the same time he LOWERED taxes. That causes the deficit to increase. Kerry will tax the crap out of all of us and talk about the working class. Being from MA I know how much of a scum this guy is. Oh, and read some of the stories about his voting record on the Senate. He has flip flopped on so many issues now that he is running for President. He says he doesn't support special interest groups but he is taking more campaign contributions from them than Bush is, by a large margin too. Keep in mind, the deficit "Bush" is causing was all once again APPROVED by Congress.

Some people are so ignorant they chose to listen to the news stations and their biases rather than pay attention to history and how our gov't is actually constructed and run as determined by the constitution.

If John Kerry is elected this country is in trouble financially and the safety of our citizens is also in jeopardy. I'll take safety and a deficit any day over higher taxes, still having a deficit, and no safety because we are worried about offending Nigeria.

This does not mean I think Bush is perfect, he is not. But Kerry is further from perfect and no President will ever be perfect or please all 300 million Americans. I think he has made difficult decisions and has been consistent which is the sign of a good leader. If I could have my choice I would pick Jesse Ventura for President but since he isn't running this year my vote is for Bush.

 

[UNGN]

OK, this is what we got:

The list:

#1. Against the Death Penalty.

#2. Anti-gun.

#3. For a CAFE of 40 MPG for SUV's and Pickups (say Goodbye to the Lightning and Newtonian Physics )

#4. Against Drilling for Oil in ANWR

#5. For "Partial Birth Abortions" (but against the death penalty... I guess murderers: OK, Babies: Not OK)

#6. For NAFTA, GATT AND wants to EXPAND trade with China (betcha didn't know that)

#7. From a wealthy family and has NEVER been Poor.

#8. Married 2 Rich Widows, but NOT a Goldigger.

#9. Served in Nam for 4 months, got three Purple Hearts but never missed a day of Duty.

#10. Missed 64% of Senate votes in 2003 including a $29 Billion Homeland Security Bill that Provided additional funding for "First Responders"

#11. Voted to fund the War in Iraq, right before he voted against it.

#12. Can Snowboard, Ski , Ice Skate and Surf (If I only showed up for work 36% of the time, I bet I'd be as good as he is)

 

[SinistrV6]

Here's the real John Kerry!

Just pick the one you like! He's on both sides of every issue! Absolutely genius strategy!


http://www.flipflopper.com/Flipflops.asp

 

[BlownZ]

Originally posted by chevyII
Ya I bet he saved his pennies from his paper route to buy into the rangers. The only reson he was an air national guard pilot was to dodge going to nam. Im sure he didnt volunteer before the war started. Bush was born with a silver/gold spoon in his mouth and has never felt the crunch of being poor.

So friggin what? How is that relevant to anything? So now you have to be poor to be president?

If you are going to argue...at least have a relevant point.

 

[suprbuick7]

What do you have to say now?????????
Bush's flip flops



Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.

Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits

Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

 

[VernLee]

I say If you don't like Bush, vote for Kerry,

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by suprbuick7
What do you have to say now?????????
Bush's flip flops

Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.

Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits

Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

Where EXACTLY are your cites for these examples? Let's see your source(s). At least the Kerry waffle-house site includes dates and locations of his quotes. You provided NO PROOF, just more copy/pasting.

 

[We4ster]

Bush was born into money
Bush did drugs
Bush used his family to avoid Nam
Bush was against nation building and now hes doing it

The list will go on and on for both candidates, but all the "redneks" on this board wont admit it...They are so blinded by party rhetoric that they cant see past the tips of their noses..


"let the ranting continue"

 

[UNGN]

The people of the United States have a pretty clear understanding of who Bush is, his past and what he believes in. Even us redneck crackers living in our 1600 Sq ft crackerbox houses with 2 car car ports have a pretty good idea of what to expect.

We either hate him or we like him. Not many undecided.

The same can't be said of John Kerry. We know he went to Viet Nam and is from Massachusetts and has a horse face.

Beyond that, the US doesn't know enough about him to either hate him or like him.

I'm going say come November, the number of people in the US that like John Kerry will be smaller than the the number that Likes George Bush.

 

[suprbuick7]

TTA, You have denied being a republican , why???????? If you watched his campaign, and /or the nightly news during his years in office these things wouldn't be foreign to you. Trust me they happened. Why is it so hard for you to believe GWB has waffled on issues?????? He isn''t GOD. but, you probably will not bother to check them out yourself.

 

[suprbuick7]

TTA I found this, I will ost them as I find them
White House rejects election-reform request

By Jim Drinkard, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Although President Bush called for repairing the tattered election system that put him in the White House, his administration has rejected its first formal opportunity to help fix the problems. The White House turned down a request from the Federal Election Commission (FEC) for $5.5 million over two years to beef up its Office of Election Administration. The FEC wanted the money to develop standards that would ensure elections are run properly, said David Mason, a Republican member of the commission and chairman of its budget committee.

 

[suprbuick7]

TTA: you seem like an intelligent guy, I could continue to post onthis and I might, you needed "proof". See even GWB changes his mind


Bush shifts his stand on peacekeeping

He campaigned on withdrawing troops, but is discovering it's easier said than done.

By Francine Kiefer (kieferf@csps.com)
Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor


WASHINGTON


It's not uncommon. A presidential candidate pledges one thing on the campaign trail, then gets to the Oval Office and discovers that real life won't necessarily conform to campaign rhetoric.

Peacekeeping is a case in point.

As a candidate, George W. Bush said US troops should be used to fight and win wars, and peacekeeping in places like the Balkans should be left to others. Yet this week, NATO announced it was "not advisable" to undertake major reductions in Bosnia, suggesting that only modest cutbacks could be made.

Trying to calm European jitters about a unilateral American withdrawal, Secretary of State Colin Powell reassured his NATO colleagues that "we went into this together, and we'll come out together." In a recent background briefing with reporters, a senior administration official underscored that message, promising, "we're not going to cut and run."

 

[suprbuick7]

TTA: there I have posted three instances. Should I continue?
Promise
Bush Promised to Reduce the National Debt. In March 2001, Bush said, "And after we fund important priorities in the ongoing operations of our Government, I believe we ought to pay down national debt. And so my budget pays down a record $2 trillion in debt over the next 10 years." [Bush Remarks to the American College of Cardiology, 3/21/01]

Broken
Bush Administration Asked for $750 Billion Permanent Increase in Debt Ceiling. In December 2001, the Bush administration announced that it would be forced to ask Congress to increase the $5.95 trillion federal debt ceiling in order to avoid a breach. The Bush administration asked Congress to raise the debt limit by $750 billion. The Washington Post headline read, "In Switch, Administration Seeks to Boost Debt Ceiling Now" [Associated Press, 3/12/02; Washington Post, 12/4/01]

Bush Treasury Secretary Tapped Government Retirement Funds to Avoid Debt Limit Breach. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill announced that he would temporarily tap funds from government retirement programs for federal employees to avoid defaulting on the national debt. "The Secretary has today notified in writing the Congress and the Executive Director of the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board of his intention to suspend investments of securities in the Government Securities Investment Fund (G-Fund) beginning on April 4 and ending on or about April 18, 2002," the Treasury Department said. [Treasury Fact Sheet, 4/2/02; Washington Post, 4/3/02]

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by suprbuick7
TTA, You have denied being a republican , why???????? If you watched his campaign, and /or the nightly news during his years in office these things wouldn't be foreign to you. Trust me they happened. Why is it so hard for you to believe GWB has waffled on issues?????? He isn''t GOD. but, you probably will not bother to check them out yourself.

Sorry, but your "facts" about his waffles don't ring a bell. I won't take anyone's word on them, just simply post your sources or cites and be done with it. Very simple.

I'm not a Republican and GWB isn't God. I have voted for Democrats and any other who's policies I agree with overall. As I stated before, there are a few policies of GWB's I disagree with and some VERY strongly, placing all the policies on a scale between the two candidates and I fall away from Kerry quickly.

Your attempt to blend waffles with broken promises is weak at best, and so are your broken promises. Had GWB had access to a crystal ball and known we would be attacked and in the midst of a global war on terror, I doubt he would have made such a claim. So you're going to pin him down on a balanced budget promise, something that's impossible to do after a pre-emptive attack on the WTC? C'mon, you can do better. I suppose you would have preferred we buried our head in the sand, not use our military, take the fact 3000+ Americans died on 9/11 just so GWB could keep his promise and have a balanced budget .

I remember GWB's promise to stop the practice of "nation building". What he was referring to during his campaign was not to get involved in the little skirmishes Clinton attempted numerous times and for what? That's what the UN is for. Afghanistan and Iraq are totally different in my opinion. Afghanistan harbored Al-quada and Iraq broke numerous UN resolutions and thumbed it's nose at our (US - Iraq) cease fire agreement. Someone has to make those agreements stick otherwise they're worthless.

I wonder what budgetary promise FDR made during his campaign and couldn't keep after we were attacked at Pearl Harbor during his watch?

 

[We4ster]

WAFFLES


“I said when I was running for President, I supported ethanol, and I meant it. I support it now, because not only do I know it's important for the ag sector of our economy, it's an important part of making sure we become less reliant on foreign sources of energy.” – Bush at South Dakota Ethanol Plant 4/24/02

According to the AP, Bush’s 2004 budget proposes to eliminate funding for the bioenergy program that funds the Dakota Ethanol Plant he visited. [4/22/02]
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“We're working hard to make sure your job is easier, that the port is safer. The Customs Service is working with overseas ports and shippers to improve its knowledge of container shipments, assessing risk so that we have a better feel of who we ought to look at, what we ought to worry about.” – Bush, 6/24/02]

The President’s 2003 and 2004 budget provides zero for port security grants. The GOP Congress has provided only $250 million for port security grants (35% less than authorized). Additionally, in August, the President vetoed all $39 million for the Container Security Initiative which he specifically touted.
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Our workers are the most productive, the hardest working, the best craftsmen in the world. And I'm here to thank all those who work hard to make a living here in America.” – Bush, 9/2/02

Bush’s 2003 Budget proposed a 9% ($476 million) cut to job training programs and a 2% ($8 million) cut to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Similarly, his 2004 budget proposes a $60 million cut to adult job training programs and a total elimination of the Youth Opportunities Grants, which provide job training to younger workers.
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“A secure and efficient border is key to our economic security.” – Bush, 9/9/03

While Bush did hold a photo-op to sign legislation promising more INS/Border Patrol staff and facilities, his budget provided no additional money for this. Additionally, in August, Bush vetoed $6.25M for promised pay upgrades for Border Patrol agents. Additionally, he vetoed all $39 million for the Container Security Initiative. His 2004 Budget slashes total total “Border and Transportation Security” by $284 million.
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“I want to thank the good folks here at Rochester Community and Technical College for your hospitality…The most important issue -- the most important issue for any governor in any state is to make sure every single child in your state receives a quality education.” – Bush, [10/18/02]

Bush’s 2004 budget proposes to cut vocational and technical education grants by 24% ($307 million). His budget also proposes to freeze funding for pell grants for low income students.
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“Within that budget I proposed last night is a substantial increase in Medicare funding of $400 billion on top of what we already spend, over the next 10 years. This is a commitment that America must make to our seniors. A reformed and strengthened Medicare system, plus a healthy dosage of Medicare spending in the budget, will make us say firmly, we fulfilled our promise to the seniors of America.” – Bush, 1/29/03

Under Bush’s proposal, there should be a roughly $40 billion increase in Medicare each year for a decade. However, Bush’s 2004 budget proposes just $6 billion – 85% less than what would be needed to meet his goal. Additionally, his budget would leave 67% of the total $400 billion pledge to be spent after 2008. [Bush Budget, pg. 318]
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"ON AND ON WE GO"

 

[suprbuick7]

TTA " why does GWB continue to push for big tax cuts in the face of all of this spending we are doing on Iraq??His administration projected a 5.6 Trillion dollar surplus after Clinton left office and for the past few years. Paul O;Neill treasury Secy thought that was an overly optimistic assumption of future tax receipts.That has turned into a 200+billion dollar deficit and growing( It cant be blamed all on the war) That is simply irresponsible economics. Some of GWB's leading economic advisors fought w/ O'NeillBut I guess he ran on big tax cuts, and has to keep his promises. These huge deficits will raise interest rates and destroy our economy. I'm all for low taxes but not at the future expense of our collective economic and financial well being of our nation

 

[TurboJunky]

Economics 101:

Tax cuts stimulate the economy, increasing taxes stifles the economy.

Stimulating the economy creates MORE tax revenue since more people work thus spend more money. More people also have more $ to spend on what they choose. The more $ spent the more robust the economy gets thus more $ in the government coffers (taxes). It doesn't happen overnight, especially when we're fighting a war. Get it?

On a side note, Paul O'Neill isn't the ONLY expert on what's good for this country. Lots of people "know what's best" for our economy and everyone's right, just ask'em. Especially the ones who've written books.

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by UNGN
Don't forget the last election... Gore is still a bigger moron than Kerry. (at least until ALL the dirt comes out on Kerry )

Nah, believe it or not, Kerry is far worse than Gore or Clinton. Kerry opposes the death penalty. No American president has ever opposed it before, to my knowledge. While he was in the Vietnam war, he formed Vietnam Vetarans Against the War, a hard-left group that the government was watching. They wanted their own former soldiers tried for war crimes. He's a piece of garbage.