Anybody in here bench over 450?
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I did 405 6 times the other day without a spot,but I know i couldnt do 455 more than 2-3,last time i did it only twice..my elbows allways hurt bad for the first couple reps...they even crack alot when i move them normally..
also i did 315 18 times without a spot the other day,but i dont bring it all the way down untill the 4th rep to stretch it a bit....one guy at the gym does 5 plates on both sides 5 times,so im sure you could get more,but he is useing..
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Asking the obvious question... if you are worried about injury, and your elbows creak if you try anything over 450, why would you try anything over 450?
Train smart... it's an MMA fight, not a powerlifting contest.
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i agree, shouldnt be lifting anything right now, should be letting your body heal, you wont deflate with a week off.
and cut out the Phosphagen or whatever creatine transport your ingesting untill after the bout, but keep them protein shakes a commin
just my O2
and cut out the Phosphagen or whatever creatine transport your ingesting untill after the bout, but keep them protein shakes a commin
just my O2
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Not 450
Back when I was younger I could rep out 335 for 4 weighing 180, now I'm 205-210 and have not even attempted 300 in years....and don't know if I could get er up. Tbirdv6 is a large fellow, I beileve he was in the realm of 450 back in the day, chime in Fredo....:biggrin:
Back when I was younger I could rep out 335 for 4 weighing 180, now I'm 205-210 and have not even attempted 300 in years....and don't know if I could get er up. Tbirdv6 is a large fellow, I beileve he was in the realm of 450 back in the day, chime in Fredo....:biggrin:
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yeah me either, got to 405 a couple of times, dropped back to around 350ish then kept it at 3 plates for a few years but then tendons and lig's started to hurt all the time, got injured, healed, injured again and that was pretty much it, been about 7 yrs since i even looked at my bench.. anyone doing 450 is a beast
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You've probably have come to a plateau and your body is talking to you to backoff. If your getting close to your match Rather then risk further injury you should back off the heavy anerobic weight training let you elbows rest and heal. Lifting heavier ain't going to help you right now the worst thing you could do is to over train so close to stepping into the octagon, focus on peaking out, your offensive/defense, your technique. I don't know if your fighting locally and if your opponent is a local you sure wouldn't want him to find out by seeing you with wrapped elbows, man if I saw someones knees wrapped , elbow, or shoulder I'd definately focus on that anatomy . I'd Keep it low key as you wouldn't want your opponent to find out your elbows are hurt, if he knows you are hurt he will likely lay back and wait for you to give him a gift they'll try and work/hurt them even more with a Kamura or arm bar submit you. An injured body part can't take the physical abuse for too long. Sounds like you are powerful man and can pound , some of these guys have great technique and a good/great guard and if they don't have a glass jaw and are able to Weather your Storm you are going to rain down on them. So keep them muscles fueled/fed aerobically because if your aerobic training isn't on par with your strength training you maybe be top dog early on and if you run out of steam/gas and your arms get heavy and you inadvertantly leave an injured tired arm out there for an instant that bottom dog is going to latch on to it if you dangle it out there for too long. Don't do a Lettner and just pound the guy and get tunnel vision and leave your self open for a submission hold because you think your seconds away from a KO. So give them elbows a rest. Good Luck and pound the guy...DMSO works good on joints. muscles. Had a Native American friend and coworker tell me he was up to 320lbs and I said man you don't look like you gained that much weight, no man I'm benching that , he got all hurt . Then I yanked his chain again when you going to start workin on them scrawny calves O'Chief Sparrow legs.
You've probably have come to a plateau and your body is talking to you to backoff. If your getting close to your match Rather then risk further injury you should back off the heavy anerobic weight training let you elbows rest and heal. Lifting heavier ain't going to help you right now the worst thing you could do is to over train so close to stepping into the octagon, focus on peaking out, your offensive/defense, your technique. I don't know if your fighting locally and if your opponent is a local you sure wouldn't want him to find out by seeing you with wrapped elbows, man if I saw someones knees wrapped , elbow, or shoulder I'd definately focus on that anatomy . I'd Keep it low key as you wouldn't want your opponent to find out your elbows are hurt, if he knows you are hurt he will likely lay back and wait for you to give him a gift they'll try and work/hurt them even more with a Kamura or arm bar submit you. An injured body part can't take the physical abuse for too long. Sounds like you are powerful man and can pound , some of these guys have great technique and a good/great guard and if they don't have a glass jaw and are able to Weather your Storm you are going to rain down on them. So keep them muscles fueled/fed aerobically because if your aerobic training isn't on par with your strength training you maybe be top dog early on and if you run out of steam/gas and your arms get heavy and you inadvertantly leave an injured tired arm out there for an instant that bottom dog is going to latch on to it if you dangle it out there for too long. Don't do a Lettner and just pound the guy and get tunnel vision and leave your self open for a submission hold because you think your seconds away from a KO. So give them elbows a rest. Good Luck and pound the guy...DMSO works good on joints. muscles. Had a Native American friend and coworker tell me he was up to 320lbs and I said man you don't look like you gained that much weight, no man I'm benching that , he got all hurt . Then I yanked his chain again when you going to start workin on them scrawny calves O'Chief Sparrow legs.
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At 450 you have POWER man!!!! If you are getting close to a fight I would STRONGLY say drop down to 300 or so and crank on that. Remember its not just power in a fight, its stamina! Your no good if you only have a power hit and thats it. You need to be able to wail on the guy without winding yourself out also or he will just take it for a few mins then stomp you in the ground because you are wore out. Good luck Daniel Ray
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GODDAMN! 450? How the hell you guys do it? I used to lift with my cousin after school when I was a teenager. Never did a damn thing for me but he got big. I eat like a horse and I did start lifting off and on for a while and did physical labor work for about 4 years during that, still nothing. At the very most my weight was 170 and I'm 5 10. Not trying to steal threads or make anyone mad, it seems to be an issue to some around me (including the significant) and just could use some advise from you guys that actually do this stuff. My current weight is about 155:frown:
I am at 355lb. for my max. I want to bench 405 for my 40th birthday. I am going to be 38 this year...got 2 more years to build up to it. I know one thing... you dont recover from those brutal workouts like you did when you were 20.
I am 6'7" so its hard to get that weight up(long arms)..I have a looong way to go.
I am 6'7" so its hard to get that weight up(long arms)..I have a looong way to go.
I kick box competitively and i used to lift weights as well with the goal of getting huge. I learned real quick, you cant do both. You cant lift heavy and train to fight. Yo have to have balance. You can lift, but cardio conditioning and simply training/sparring, out way the benefits of benching 400 plus. Conditioning is key;CARDIO. Id rather be cut and can rep out 315 8-10 times and be able to bring it 5 minutes for three rounds than bench 600 and have no endurance to last the fight. Doesnt Tank Abbot bench like 600 lbs or something stupid and he got his azz whooped by Kimbo, i know Kimbo looks like a beast but i bet he doesnt bench 600 plus!
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Lots of good points in this thread.
First point I'll address is about the "plateau". It usually doesn't involve physical symptoms, i.e. cracking/noisy joints. A plateau is just the point where your body stops getting stronger regardless of good training, diet, etc. Having noisy joints above a certain weight limit isn't the same as hitting a plateau.
Secondly, I'd agree with dropping the weight down a lot if you're about to have a fight. The lifting that you've been doing for the past few months will provide the strength for the fight, not the workouts from the week before. Go with lighter weight and work on stamina, breathing, and recovery. As mentioned above, conditioning is more important.
Yes you are probably close to risking injury if you're at the point that your joints are acting like that. You can try taking joint support supplements to make sure they are naturally lubricated as well as they should be, but it's most likely just the wear and tear from power lifting.
I've never even gotten close to benching that much, but any time I've experienced cracking joints or sensitive spots, it wasn't long before those areas starting hurting even worse. My left wrist has always cracked badly during upright rows, so I don't push it.
Good luck with the MMA and remember at this point it's about lighter weights, conditioning, rest, and being MENTALLY ready.
First point I'll address is about the "plateau". It usually doesn't involve physical symptoms, i.e. cracking/noisy joints. A plateau is just the point where your body stops getting stronger regardless of good training, diet, etc. Having noisy joints above a certain weight limit isn't the same as hitting a plateau.
Secondly, I'd agree with dropping the weight down a lot if you're about to have a fight. The lifting that you've been doing for the past few months will provide the strength for the fight, not the workouts from the week before. Go with lighter weight and work on stamina, breathing, and recovery. As mentioned above, conditioning is more important.
Yes you are probably close to risking injury if you're at the point that your joints are acting like that. You can try taking joint support supplements to make sure they are naturally lubricated as well as they should be, but it's most likely just the wear and tear from power lifting.
I've never even gotten close to benching that much, but any time I've experienced cracking joints or sensitive spots, it wasn't long before those areas starting hurting even worse. My left wrist has always cracked badly during upright rows, so I don't push it.
Good luck with the MMA and remember at this point it's about lighter weights, conditioning, rest, and being MENTALLY ready.
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yuppers, well at 40 he is one bad mofo to be lifting that much and to be getting in the ring with a bunch of 20 somthings and he sure doesnt need advice from me when the only thing im usually fighting is a hidden bolt that requires a wobble socket
flax seed, cod liver oil and NO Salt. Im sure theres a ton of potions out on the market to keep the joints and tendons lubed up. But i for sure would not be lifting, if anything id be cutting and removing anything from my body thats gonna make me sweat like a pig.
I am at 355lb. for my max. I want to bench 405 for my 40th birthday. I am going to be 38 this year...got 2 more years to build up to it. I know one thing... you dont recover from those brutal workouts like you did when you were 20.
I am 6'7" so its hard to get that weight up(long arms)..I have a looong way to go.
I couldn't agree more, I am also 6'-7" and I topped out at 350 lbs around 5 years ago. I naturally take a fairly narrow grip, so the bar travels over a greater distance. I was always jealous of the short stocky guys with the barrel chest, short arms and wide grip. Seemed like the bar moved around 8" from touching the chest to full extension.
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Hey brent231 email me directly if you want some sponsorship for the fight. I would love to help out a fellow TR owner. Good luck with the training.
On a side note, I repped out w/405 back in high school. Crohn's disease caused me to loose 69# & basically all muscle mass & strength in 1988. Oh to be big & strong again
On a side note, I repped out w/405 back in high school. Crohn's disease caused me to loose 69# & basically all muscle mass & strength in 1988. Oh to be big & strong again
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Hey Brent are you out of Crystal Lakes MMA facility??
Damn I am not sure if I'd want to get hit by your GN's or you guys.
Damn I am not sure if I'd want to get hit by your GN's or you guys.
I don't know your training routine but I powerlifted for 15 years and I was fortunate enough to lift with collegiate and world champoin lifters and learned alot. They helped me go from 152 lbs at 6'1" to 238 lbs without roids or growth hormones.
The most important thing I learned was that any particular body part or muscle group only needs to work out once every 5-6 days. Anything more is detrimental. Chris Costallano a twice collegiate and twice world games champion helped me train and lifted in the 192# weight class. He benched 570 lbs, squated 775 lbs and deadlifted 810 lbs all at a weight of 192 lbs. No one trained harder but no one trained smarter either than Chris. He was fast too and was a collegiate wrestling champion to boot. I could not imagine trying to wrestle him.
Any way hope this helps and best of luck to you.
Mikey
The most important thing I learned was that any particular body part or muscle group only needs to work out once every 5-6 days. Anything more is detrimental. Chris Costallano a twice collegiate and twice world games champion helped me train and lifted in the 192# weight class. He benched 570 lbs, squated 775 lbs and deadlifted 810 lbs all at a weight of 192 lbs. No one trained harder but no one trained smarter either than Chris. He was fast too and was a collegiate wrestling champion to boot. I could not imagine trying to wrestle him.
Any way hope this helps and best of luck to you.
Mikey
id bet everything i own that kimbo could out bench tank anyday...kimbo didnt get that dang big from jogging
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Two years ago myself and a buddy started to power bench until we both hit 505lbs on the same day. I stayed heavy (505) for about a year and paid dearly for it with sore popping joints that are all f'ed up now. I'm almost 38 years old and am in the gym 4 days a week with a different focus. I keep my heavy bench right at 405 for 2-3 reps and typically shoot for 315 for 5-7 reps depending on the week. If I were you I'd back off the heavy stuff and go for max reps and tons of cardio. If I can't get in a minimum of a 2 mile run (7-8 minute pace) at every workout then I feel as though I've cheated myself. My wrists and elbows are decent and don't hurt as bad as they did...lesson learned! I also mess around with MMA...kinda goes with the turf in my job....I can't get enough cardio!
