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I second that...I have a fairly new ignition module from AZ in my car and haven't had any problems...I'm sure it's not as good as the OEM GM but how much do those things cost nowadays? The AZ one is like $120 with a 1 year warranty...

Not correct the New AZ one is Duralast and has a lifetime warranty. But I have one on my car now that the GM one took a dump! Because it was the only one available when I needed it really and $120 is better than $215 and $265 on top of waiting a day!:D
 
You just don't know what you are getting these days!!

I think I am going to hit the pick a part junk yard and try to nab 1 or 2 type II coils and modules off early 90's GMs per this list. As long as the hood is still on and they were not exposed to rain may be worth it!
 
this is the only place to go for coil packs and modules

www. NOS4gn dot com

GM parts and the lowest prices ive found, with excellent customer service
 
My Autozone unit is still kicking. It was good enough for the times in my sig;)
 
Anyone ever had anyproblems with their Modules or Coil Packs? Center Coil went bad today and upon removing the coil I found that the ignition module epoxy was real soft and bubbling in certian places. (Might explain the car stalling from time to time and backfiring lately). So I'm gonna replace both as a unit and AutoZone has the best price and wanted to know if anyone has had a problem with the quality ect.....
Thanks for the Input
Why does the epoxy get hot enough to liquefy? Why and how do arc welders work? Poor connections create resistance=resistance creates heat.
I used the $100 unit they sold 2 years ago and it still works. Only issue was that the mounting holes werent tapped! I tapped them myself, and I used a stack of washers all the way around at each mounting hole, to separate the coil pack and module apart so that the wires dont get all criss crossed/smashed/shorted...reducing potential induction issues as well, etc. then I just ran a bead of The right stuff all the way around to seal it up. I also soldered the spade connectors together. The 100 dollar piece uses a smaller diameter wire, which is fine as long as the connections are solid, and a soldered joint is used (properly soldered...a bead of solder on a CLEAN, un-oxidized soldering tip, bring it up underneath the joint to be soldered, touch the little bead of solder to the joint from underneath....the bead of solder on the soldering tip will heat the joint up from underneath...it'll transfer the heat fast, and then run the stick of solder from the top, right onto the joint itself...never apply the solder to the soldering tip itself and then dribble it everywhere and mess it all up...The joint to be soldered needs to get hot enough that the joint itself, not the soldering tip, will melt the solder. This way the solder wicks into the pores and the flux isnt burned for so long that it burns off, you end up with no flux and the solder joint oxidizes and doesnt last....plus if you take too long and OVERHEAT the joint, the flux will wick up into the strands of the wire and the acidity will over time, eat through the strands and kill the wire. With wire soldering, flow solder into 1 wire, then the other wire, then use the soldering tip to melt the 2 wire ends together. Add shrink tubing beforehand. But with this, you need to connect the spades first, then solder them together as a unit. I work in automation, have soldered probably tens of thousands of joints, and for awhile we designed/made automated soldering machines (ARSH)...(automated robotic soldering hand) and theres an actual method with soldering that makes all the difference in the world between perfection and garbage.....works for now, dead in a month)...anyway, use the spacers so the wires dont get smashed, fit the spade connectors together, solder them, and seal it up with the right stuff. It'll work and last just as well as the GM unit for only 100 bucks. I've never experienced spark blowout even at an accidental 28psi, with a .040" spark plug gap (that big gap makes a huge difference in idle quality as well...yes that big of a gap is possible....and use COPPER anti-seize on the spark plug threads...copper is more than double (almost triple) as thermally conductive/electrically conductive as aluminum/aluminum based anti seize compounds, which are designed for aluminum heads, not iron. The threaded body of the spark plug is a ground, and improving grounds always makes for less power loss. (I suggest making some good, soldered additional grounds for the motor to the chassis...those 20 year old grounds behind the passenger side head arent that great...you'd be surprised the electrical problems that go away after adding additional grounds..(like running tons of boost with no spark blowout...lights not dimmin gout under a load, etc) .they do it with supras as well, and those cars are much newer than GN's) You can run a stock heat range plug and it will draw heat out more like a plug thats 3 ranges colder without the fouling/carbon accumulation in the chamber issues of running a colder plug if you use copper anti seize. And most of the time, a better heat transfer also equates to less voltage loss/more electrical conductivity as well (we also designed PC processor heat sinks at Tandis...better than the best prototypes in the world at 1/3 the cost).
 
My Autozone unit is still kicking. It was good enough for the times in my sig;)

lucky bastage!

I am hoping I can get one that'll last.. one more exchange & if I have to tow the Buick one more time... ...type II here we come.... sans the MSD DIS-4...!

:D
 
lucky bastage!

I am hoping I can get one that'll last.. one more exchange & if I have to tow the Buick one more time... ...type II here we come.... sans the MSD DIS-4...!

:D

I have been lucky I guess. I bought the pack in '98 when I swapped the hot-air for an '87 drivetrain in my old '85 T. The 'Zone pack has been good to me:) I think it's going to be officially retired in a few weeks when I swap all my stuff to a distributor setup.
 
Accel coil pack with GM module and all the intermittant popping went away. I'll never buy ignition parts from the zone for any car, especially the GN, in the future. If you buy one they'll test okay but they're still not enough for our cars. Maybe 23psi has something to do with it?
 
You get what you pay for!!!!!

I hate to say it but you get what you pay for! I can not stand Auto zone. I think they are the reason no one in my area sell good parts any more seeing that they have to compete with there low prices but JUNK parts. Everything I have every bought from them has never lasted more then two weeks:mad:
 
The OTHER problem with the aftermarket control modules - the Casper's CCCI tester doesn't work with them.. only the GM modules. John mentioned it would take a lot of development / engineering resources to make the testers function with all the off the shelf control modules these days, & probably not worth the time and money.. (can't say I blame him, either..)
 
This is great discussion!

Any more feedback on using the Type II coil AND module? I have hear plenty on just the type II coil but what bout the modules?
 
I bought two out of the junkyard... already pulled.... for $40 ea.... so $80 total... coilpack and module. They both worked in my car...Doesn't look original... but works great... and I have a spare now...
 
I bought two out of the junkyard... already pulled.... for $40 ea.... so $80 total... coilpack and module. They both worked in my car...Doesn't look original... but works great... and I have a spare now...

How many miles..?? Any long distance trips..???
 
How many miles..?? Any long distance trips..???

I put 20k miles on my car before I spun a bearing at 159k miles.... probably 19k of that was with the type II coilpack/module..... I was daily driving the car for almost a year...and drove it to Bowling Green the first year I had it... in '06. Bowling Green is a 7 hour or so drive for me. I have not had one coilpack/module related problem since swapping the $40 junkyard one in.... I installed the spare one only briefly to make sure it worked....
 
Apparently no one read my post. The 100 dollar unit is fine. Properly solder the connections, space the coil pack and module apart and make some extra grounds. It'll be fine and wont blow out even under really high boost.
 
VadersV6 -

I read it, but I thought everyone knew how to properly solder an electrical connection..??? :biggrin:

Maybe double-checking the resistance values to chassis ground will turn something up, to... Hmmmmmmmmm....

(I added a ground strap to the CCCI mounting frame YEARS ago, and never had any glitches. Damn good idea to ground everything you can in these cars.)

Linc
 
VadersV6 -

I read it, but I thought everyone knew how to properly solder an electrical connection..??? :biggrin:

Maybe double-checking the resistance values to chassis ground will turn something up, to... Hmmmmmmmmm....

(I added a ground strap to the CCCI mounting frame YEARS ago, and never had any glitches. Damn good idea to ground everything you can in these cars.)

Linc

When I put my heads back on and my motor back together, I realized I had forgotten to bolt the wires back up to the passenger side head before mounting it. Pretty much impossible to mount them back up from above the car, so I made a 6 gauge jumper with lugs at the ends. They're the type of lugs that clamp to the wire by tightening the nut on them. I also soldered them on after tightening them. I used a stick of round aluminum (grounding wire for my old satellite TV system) and put it next to the wire and shrink tube'd it together, so now its a rigid jumper and came out really clean. It connects to the whole set of wires at the firewall then the other end runs along the base of the intake manifold and bolts up to the front passenger intake bolt. Looks OEM and works great. No more struggling to bolt the ground wires back up. A few years back I made another jumper with 8 gauge wire, with copper lugs that run from the ignition module mount to the drivers side inner fender. My headlights used to dim when I'd turn the A/C on and after that, they no longer dimmed out and the spark blowout issue I had went away. My radiator fan used to spin kinda slow and the motor ran hot. Thats when I pulled the relays off, popped the connectors off and saw all the 20 year old die-electric grease that had hardened up and was killing the conductivity of the whole system. Ever since then Ive been telling everyone here to do this no matter what. Use ronsonol fluid, a pick, brushes, air gun...whatever you have, to make it all sparkling clean and like new so every connection has no resistance any more. My low speed fan spun much much faster after cleaning that all out. I checked alot of other grounds and found the ground for the MAF was intermittent. I found the orange power wire for the computer, had a pinhole in the insulation, so moisture had gotten in the wires many years back and had corroded the strands and created an intermittent connection...I found that just by chance. What was strange about that, is that there is no doubt the wire was bad and the connection was coming and going...but the programmed settings for my extender chip never were erased. I had alot of funky stuff going on and going through it all and fixing all the wiring fixed so many problems...problems that cause people to replace hardware every day. The fuel injector harness...the wires right before they go into the white connector..the strands inside those are usually all cracked up, and cause weird injector behavior that people dont even know is happening. The IAC wires right before they go into the connector...those are also usually damaged...the TPS as well. Any connector thats been plugged and unplugged alot, is going to have compromised wire strands internally...the insulation looks good, but the wires have been bent back and forth so many times that most of the strands have broken. You can usually get a pick, press in on the locking mechanism and pop a wire right out of the connector. Then you can roll back the strain locks (holds the insulation so the wire doesnt break), unsolder the connection (if its been soldered), trim the wire back half an inch to an inch, and re-clamp the pin and solder it..or go to digi-key.com and find the right pins and make new ones. We have so much stuff like this at work, its made it easy to do. I basically suggest that everyone, before they go spending big bucks on hardware, fix all your wiring first. My 99 cobra was only 5 years old when I sold it, but many of the wires were already going from disconnecting and connecting everything so many times...its always going to be much worse on a 20 year old car.
 
well they way i see it is if the magnavox ign was so much better than the delco unit then why didn't they use the magnavox units on everything?

The delco has a proven hotter spark and lasts longer. also when a coil pack goes bad you can replace that one pack instead of the entire thing.




Vaders i do agree with you that a bad connection and be the root of all evil in the cars. I too have redone and added grounds in my car. There is really only 2 wires the ground the body to the rest of the car. those are the braided strap @ the firewall and the little itty bitty wire from the battery cable to the inside of the fender. the body and the tranny crossmember are bolted in with rubber mounts.
 
I'm surprised to hear anything good about Accel, it seems everyone shuns them. So your experiences with this coil?:ACCEL 140016 - ACCEL Magnavox Style DIS Super Coil Packs - summitracing.com

Also found this one made by Standard Motor Products, does anyone run it?:Standard Motor Products DR36 - Standard Motor Products Replacement Ignition Coils - summitracing.com

Not to sound dumb but there aren't the modules are they?: Standard Motor Products LX315 - Standard Motor Products Replacement Ignition Modules - summitracing.com

I wonder why MSD doesn't make ignition stuff for Turbo Buicks. :confused:
 
MSD does make stuff for the Buick ignitions.. the DIS-4 and TR adapter...

:biggrin:

There's also the DIS-4 HO....

Linc
 
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