turbo87limited
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Nick, thats all I was wondering about. I believe Keith will survive this. But in the meantime, if I run a 9.90 @ 138 because of his downpipe I want to brag about it.
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Originally posted by turbo87limited
Nick, thats all I was wondering about. I believe Keith will survive this........
I know Keith will survive too, just got off the phone with him.
What we were/are trying to accomplish with the "ban", actually temporary hold on all KME discussions, is to give him time to get his business situation in order. Keith was aware of what we did and is agreement, as it will put on hold and any negative threads and give Keith a chance to get caught up in his business.
Many personal e-mails to me concerning outstanding KME orders or concerns are being resolved. We never tried to hide anything, just wanted all concerned to have a chance and felt doing it off-line was in everyone's best interest.
Hopefully this will be done within a week or 2. Thanks for your understanding and be assured we are very responsive to board members concerns.
I've been around since the beginning here, TurboBuicks.com and the Buick mailing lists. In the beginning nobody new about outrageous performance gains made by Kenne-Bell products or the Shady dealing of Bowling Green Customs. There were many products that was sold to us that was useless or over priced. Remember when chips were $200. These Boards made all of us friends and smart consumers by sharing our coast to coast experiences. Mike Licht and PTE lived through the Budget roller and PT51 problems. Many Vendors will fade away too. I think we can all make up our own minds about Keith Mease, CAS, Terry Houston, PTE and the rest. If the content gets to name calling, slang or off topic then correct it. But let it survive so all the new Buick members can make there own choice. Just like I can say Nick makes a great radiator and customer service. I should also be able the say " look in the archives and see how many people are unhappy with "BGC" or Give the status on Terry Houston. If it's public knowledge in Ohio newspapers about his conviction. Then why can't someone be given the headsup here. I wouldn't want to be driving down the highway with my family and and the Megans Law bulletin board lights up "Terry Houston Escaped" Then my wife says: "Don't you have that guy's downpipe" or "Those are the type of people you talk too on the Buick boards"
Keith will pull through if he wants or end up like CAS. It's up to him and his customers not the board....
Keith will pull through if he wants or end up like CAS. It's up to him and his customers not the board....
I would have to say there are as many positives as negatives. It sure seems to me that years ago, every time you turned around there was a problem with either a private seller or a vender. Over the last couple of years this board has cleaned up quite a bit. The fact that when problem comes up it is not a case of mass denial, the issue ultimately gets addressed. It may not be the perfect socialogical solution if there is such a thing, but I have to say this board has a good "handle" on working through issues. There is an issue I have to show sympathy towards. I am a moderator on another board and it can be an impossible and thankless job at times. The BS that gets thrust in your direction is ludicrous. Tempers and egos flair, and often times the moderator is in a no win situation. It is because of the member's actions that moderators must get involved in the first place. The moderators aren't to blame, they are most of the time simply a referee. The fact that they are willing to stick their neck out to even address an issue like this deserves recognition. Of couse there may be things that are a negative, I was always taught to look for the positives..........
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I do not KNOW what the particulars are/were
And do not care to. It DOES NOT effect TB.com and his private life, good, bad, idiotic, whatever, is NONE of my buisness. This board is NOT the National Enquirer....Inquiring people should keep to themselves.....they have no need to know... If half of the people would worry more about themselves rather than the dirt on others , the world would bve a much better place.
Everybody has a closet , my friend, and Mr Houston's is NONE of MY or TB.com's buisness. That was the point of my statement.
Bruce
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Originally posted by Foolis
Thats REAL weak.
I can't believe you actually typed that.
BT
And do not care to. It DOES NOT effect TB.com and his private life, good, bad, idiotic, whatever, is NONE of my buisness. This board is NOT the National Enquirer....Inquiring people should keep to themselves.....they have no need to know... If half of the people would worry more about themselves rather than the dirt on others , the world would bve a much better place.
Everybody has a closet , my friend, and Mr Houston's is NONE of MY or TB.com's buisness. That was the point of my statement.
Bruce
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In response to Bubba..
I will clarify for you.
First, NO you would NEVER be banned. Why is the first thing mentioned ALL the time is getting banned. As far as deleting any mention of KME , yes that will be deleted without explanation. A rule Keith himself agreed to. Part of the vendor/admin agreement. If you are caught speeding and you get a ticket and are found guilty, you pay the fine , correct? Same deal.
I have been a part of the administration of this board for awhile and it is VERY few and far between someone gets banned. I know of 4 to be exact, in 4 years.
Second.... I would LOVE to see you praise whomever you wish , however, the party in question has not lived up to the AGREEMENT he agreed upon vending on this board.
The ban has NOTHING to do with quality, or anything else. Just a violation of the communication act set forth by admin that HE AGREED TO!.
I cannot get over this how many people think I would even consider banning. Like I said , it has NOTHING to do with anything but the party in question's methods and his irresponsibility to Nick, TB.com and it's members.
Bubba, you are safe my friend, no worries, state your opinion, and enjoy what TB.com has to offer you.
This instance has been blown way out of proportion and MOST of you do not even know the half of what has taken place.
Well tonight my wife has laid down the law, no computer tonight, so unless she gets peeoed at my and tells me otherwise, talk at yous tommorrow.
Nick is MORE THAN CAPABLE of handling this and I have every confidence that he will.
As for being a vendor and moderating, if you look, the only vendor/moderator I have is ME! and Brian Hartman in the Sy/Ty forum. The guys in the turbo and all other sections are TECHS, NOT MODERATORS!!!! I know what it says in the Moderation column but that is the software. Nothing I can do. Your Moderators once again are Nick Micale, Jack Evers, Jesse, and I.
And since I am NOT going away, you will all have to live with that.
Bruce
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I will clarify for you.
First, NO you would NEVER be banned. Why is the first thing mentioned ALL the time is getting banned. As far as deleting any mention of KME , yes that will be deleted without explanation. A rule Keith himself agreed to. Part of the vendor/admin agreement. If you are caught speeding and you get a ticket and are found guilty, you pay the fine , correct? Same deal.
I have been a part of the administration of this board for awhile and it is VERY few and far between someone gets banned. I know of 4 to be exact, in 4 years.
Second.... I would LOVE to see you praise whomever you wish , however, the party in question has not lived up to the AGREEMENT he agreed upon vending on this board.
The ban has NOTHING to do with quality, or anything else. Just a violation of the communication act set forth by admin that HE AGREED TO!.
I cannot get over this how many people think I would even consider banning. Like I said , it has NOTHING to do with anything but the party in question's methods and his irresponsibility to Nick, TB.com and it's members.
Bubba, you are safe my friend, no worries, state your opinion, and enjoy what TB.com has to offer you.
This instance has been blown way out of proportion and MOST of you do not even know the half of what has taken place.
Well tonight my wife has laid down the law, no computer tonight, so unless she gets peeoed at my and tells me otherwise, talk at yous tommorrow.
Nick is MORE THAN CAPABLE of handling this and I have every confidence that he will.
As for being a vendor and moderating, if you look, the only vendor/moderator I have is ME! and Brian Hartman in the Sy/Ty forum. The guys in the turbo and all other sections are TECHS, NOT MODERATORS!!!! I know what it says in the Moderation column but that is the software. Nothing I can do. Your Moderators once again are Nick Micale, Jack Evers, Jesse, and I.
And since I am NOT going away, you will all have to live with that.
Bruce
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I just thought that I would jump on the bandwagon and post a reply to this.
Can somebody bring those of us that don't follow the TB.com soap opera up to speed. I was reading a post a few weeks back on TBs.com about some dude that got banned here, and I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now.
Also, some of you guys need to settle down. I can completly picture you guys YELLING AT THE SCREEN while you type. Hehehe
Can somebody bring those of us that don't follow the TB.com soap opera up to speed. I was reading a post a few weeks back on TBs.com about some dude that got banned here, and I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now.
Also, some of you guys need to settle down. I can completly picture you guys YELLING AT THE SCREEN while you type. Hehehe
Foolis, thanks for telling me about TH and that **** he did. I don't like that kind of action being taken out on a minor. It's good that someone wants the truth to be told and not hide the fact by deleating it. I would never by a product from him again. Thanks again. I know what I would like to do with his 3.5 dp and it aint pretty. I better hush or I might get deleated.
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Ok, I have to open my mouth here, so please indulge me a few moments. I have no interest in whatever is going on with Meese, and don't care to. He is, according to Nick squaring his house. If he doesn't, then the market will have spoken. The problem I saw arising here was a pissing contest. Who was to say whom was right or wrong? There are not only dishonest vendors, but dishonest customers as well (not accusing either side here so please don't quote me out of context). Nick stepped up to help resolve this issue for both the customers and Meese, in a fair and mature manner. When the discussion turned into personal attacks, Nick stepped in again at the proper time. This is not ruling with an iron fist. It's called trying to maintain civil discourse. When the problem would not relent, Jack had to step in a third time. Ok, that is that. As far as whatever Terry Houston went through, That is solely his PRIVATE life. Not a single thing to do with his professional company. To equate the two is absolutely ludicrous. If that situation bothers you then don't do business with him. One thing I would wonder is, how many of you have thrown away all your Michael Jackson or R. Kelly items, banned you kids from Madonna, Richard Gere, Pee Wee Hermann, Alex Baldwin, or any of the thousands of others that have done equally or worse crime. Or for that part given up on most pro sports (many are guilty but have bought their way out of problems). If you let your kids listen to gangster rap you are supporting some major felons as well. But I would venture to say; many of you haven't, because you separate the professional from the individual. I am dumbfounded by some of the way off base arguments here against the actions of the board. If you feel there needs to be a gripe section, take the opportunity and start a new board where everyone can come and air out one side of a story and not have to worry about anyone being there to hold them accountable for what they say. This is a board for the exchange of knowledge more than anything else is. Many benefit without spending a penny on invaluable information. If you have a problem with a vendor, it's best you handle it through a mediator, rather than feeling weak and trying to summons up all the support you can in an open room. Mob justice is not acceptable in any case. I think lynching was outlawed long ago. I have said more than my part, and I am sure I have twisted a few egos, but that's just me. You can always comment without fear of reprisal. Besides, I have a personal opinion on this situation myself, but that is just that, a personal opinion, not something to be aired with so much dirty laundry. Thanks for letting me vent,,,,,,,,Mark
Ok, I have to open my mouth here, so please indulge me a few moments. I have no interest in whatever is going on with Meese, and don't care to. He is, according to Nick squaring his house. If he doesn't, then the market will have spoken. The problem I saw arising here was a pissing contest. Who was to say whom was right or wrong? There are not only dishonest vendors, but dishonest customers as well (not accusing either side here so please don't quote me out of context). Nick stepped up to help resolve this issue for both the customers and Meese, in a fair and mature manner. When the discussion turned into personal attacks, Nick stepped in again at the proper time. This is not ruling with an iron fist. It's called trying to maintain civil discourse. When the problem would not relent, Jack had to step in a third time. Ok, that is that. As far as whatever Terry Houston went through, That is solely his PRIVATE life. Not a single thing to do with his professional company. To equate the two is absolutely ludicrous. If that situation bothers you then don't do business with him. One thing I would wonder is, how many of you have thrown away all your Michael Jackson or R. Kelly items, banned you kids from Madonna, Richard Gere, Pee Wee Hermann, Alex Baldwin, or any of the thousands of others that have done equally or worse crime. Or for that part given up on most pro sports (many are guilty but have bought their way out of problems). If you let your kids listen to gangster rap you are supporting some major felons as well. But I would venture to say; many of you haven't, because you separate the professional from the individual. I am dumbfounded by some of the way off base arguments here against the actions of the board. If you feel there needs to be a gripe section, take the opportunity and start a new board where everyone can come and air out one side of a story and not have to worry about anyone being there to hold them accountable for what they say. This is a board for the exchange of knowledge more than anything else is. Many benefit without spending a penny on invaluable information. If you have a problem with a vendor, it's best you handle it through a mediator, rather than feeling weak and trying to summons up all the support you can in an open room. Mob justice is not acceptable in any case. I think lynching was outlawed long ago. I have said more than my part, and I am sure I have twisted a few egos, but that's just me. You can always comment without fear of reprisal. Besides, I have a personal opinion on this situation myself, but that is just that, a personal opinion, not something to be aired with so much dirty laundry. Thanks for letting me vent,,,,,,,,Mark
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OK, so Bruce, Nick, Jack and Jesse are (super) moderators.
The rest of moderators are now techs. (What's the difference?)
So who is Mark, 2quiktocare? Since he's listed as an "administrator".
The rest of moderators are now techs. (What's the difference?)
So who is Mark, 2quiktocare? Since he's listed as an "administrator".
Originally posted by b4black
OK, so Bruce, Nick, Jack and Jesse are (super) moderators.
The rest of moderators are now techs. (What's the difference?)
So who is Mark, 2quiktocare? Since he's listed as an "administrator".
Ok I am no detective here, but I would say he is an Administrator; works on the board, works for BT at PTS, etc.. some moderators have the ability to moderate the site,(all the forums) some of only their respected areas.
I think it's great that the news tells me that Michael Jackson and Pee Wee Herman are perverts or Madonna may pull up in her limo and steal me for a night of wild lust. This board allowed recent Threads and polls on Windshield women killing men or breast feeding women on the highway. What does this have to do with Turbo Buicks and what business is it of ours!!! I think The Terry Houston story has a legal end and no here say. It's as public knowledge as the stories above. He is also a vendor so it's our business to know who we buy our products from. If you try and cover this up this whole board is a scam
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Terry Houston is NOT A VENDOR on my board. Why the mess?
This started as a Mease issue and now you guys have dragged this into it. Why does controversy attract people? I guess I will never get it, and to be honest, don't know if I even care to.
All that concerns me is who is here and who I am responsible for. If Terry Houston sickens you, don't patronize his buisness, but he has NO affiliation with TB.com so why should I spend 1 minute of time dealing with this?
Do I agree with his actions? Why of course not, but he is not my responsibility and he does NOT vend here.
So... with that in mind, lets move on...
Bruce
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Terry Houston is NOT A VENDOR on my board. Why the mess?
This started as a Mease issue and now you guys have dragged this into it. Why does controversy attract people? I guess I will never get it, and to be honest, don't know if I even care to.
All that concerns me is who is here and who I am responsible for. If Terry Houston sickens you, don't patronize his buisness, but he has NO affiliation with TB.com so why should I spend 1 minute of time dealing with this?
Do I agree with his actions? Why of course not, but he is not my responsibility and he does NOT vend here.
So... with that in mind, lets move on...
Bruce
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Bingo, and "Super Moderators" simply have access to a few more administrative options. No power trip, believe me.
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To clarify this...better
Originally posted by b4black
OK, so Bruce, Nick, Jack and Jesse are (super) moderators.
The rest of moderators are now techs. (What's the difference?)
So who is Mark, 2quiktocare? Since he's listed as an "administrator".
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Ok I am the Administrator. Mark is PTS Xtreme's company manager. Sometimes he needs to access the database and he has to have that status to assist me. Why the hell I have to disclose this to all is ludicris but since "inquiring minds want to know" , here goes.
I can do anything on this board and its backbone. So can Mark , but he WOULD NEVER without consulting me or by my direction.
Nick Micale, Jack Evers and Jesse Aponte, are super moderators meaning they can "moderate" all threads and every facet of the board. They cannot, Ban, or alter the board from the backbone, only me.
Now the moderators can ONLY moderate their particular forum.
The techs job is to be the expert in the field they are in and if they don't KNOW the answer you are looking for they will research it and give you the info you need that is why they are there.
The mediation committee consists of Nick, Jack, Jesse, and myself. That is it.
So if you have any content or thread issues, feel free at anytime to contact Nick, Jack, or Jesse. They will assist you
If you are having a Board function problem, then I am the guy .
Dan Boden will also be assisting with the small vendor row which is about to be turned on.
That is my chain of command and a good one I feel I have.
Bruce
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Originally posted by b4black
OK, so Bruce, Nick, Jack and Jesse are (super) moderators.
The rest of moderators are now techs. (What's the difference?)
So who is Mark, 2quiktocare? Since he's listed as an "administrator".
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Ok I am the Administrator. Mark is PTS Xtreme's company manager. Sometimes he needs to access the database and he has to have that status to assist me. Why the hell I have to disclose this to all is ludicris but since "inquiring minds want to know" , here goes.
I can do anything on this board and its backbone. So can Mark , but he WOULD NEVER without consulting me or by my direction.
Nick Micale, Jack Evers and Jesse Aponte, are super moderators meaning they can "moderate" all threads and every facet of the board. They cannot, Ban, or alter the board from the backbone, only me.
Now the moderators can ONLY moderate their particular forum.
The techs job is to be the expert in the field they are in and if they don't KNOW the answer you are looking for they will research it and give you the info you need that is why they are there.
The mediation committee consists of Nick, Jack, Jesse, and myself. That is it.
So if you have any content or thread issues, feel free at anytime to contact Nick, Jack, or Jesse. They will assist you
If you are having a Board function problem, then I am the guy .
Dan Boden will also be assisting with the small vendor row which is about to be turned on.
That is my chain of command and a good one I feel I have.
Bruce
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I would like to thank the moderators for allowing all of us to be "heard". I am not sure whether this post altered the decision or timeframe of suspension, but I think that the final resolution to this matter has been handled appropriately. There will never be 100% agreement to anything done or said here. Someone will always disagree. I think that this issue, and the responses it generated, will only help the moderators in future decision-making. I know that I created the initial post on this matter, but I hope that the majority of us can see the benefit to this discussion. I also think that this thread has kept a pretty "mature" tone to it. The future looks brighter for all of us because of this. Thanks to Bruce, Nick, and the others for the forum.
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