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turbolc2

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Having a great time at the BPG Nats in Columbus Ohio.Lots of great cars and comradery.However I have a small regret.A Buick racer (Mike Booher) was DQ'd today based on other racers complaints to the race director which were not supported by the rules as published in the BPG rulebook.The car tech'd well,all certifications are valid,all fees were paid & the driver has a valid license for that class of car (dragster).The rules for the quick 8 clearly state that "any Buick Powered" car is allowed.I'm not the only person who noticed this poor & unfair decision.Hopefully the folks at BPG will reconsider this decision.


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Having a great time at the BPG Nats in Columbus Ohio.Lots of great cars and comradery.However I have a small regret.A Buick racer (Mike Booher) was DQ'd today based on other racers complaints to the race director which were not supported by the rules as published in the BPG rulebook.The car tech'd well,all certifications are valid,all fees were paid & the driver has a valid license for that class of car (dragster).The rules for the quick 8 clearly state that "any Buick Powered" car is allowed.I'm not the only person who noticed this poor & unfair decision.Hopefully the folks at BPG will reconsider this decision.


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I agree but this is not the fist time this happened. Last year at Salem it was the same thing. Things like this should have been worked out ahead of time. With that being said I don't know Mike's side of the story or the BPG's for that matter. So take this comment for what it's worth. I'll say this I would love to see Mike's car compete. 8.0 sec at 112 mph peddeling it twice:eek: How cool would it be to Booher and Freeman go at it?
 
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This stuff (permission to run Mikes car) was agreed to based on the email exchanges (which I personally saw) prior to the event between the race director & Mike.This is not fair to either Mike or the spectators.Several individuals at the event thought it would be great to see Mike running for some of the dough just like the other heavy hitters.This was an "ego protection" type of decision reminiscent of a certain other Buick event.
 
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This stuff (permission to run Mikes car) was agreed to based on the email exchanges (which I personally saw) prior to the event between the race director & Mike.This is not fair to either Mike or the spectators.Several individuals at the event thought it would be great to see Mike running for some of the dough just like the other heavy hitters.This was an "ego protection" type of decision reminiscent of a certain other Buick event.

This is beyond "not fair", it sucks big time.:mad:

Probably the only "good" thing about me having injured my back and not being able to attend the event, is that I would have violently expressed my great dis-pleasure when this happened, and there would have been a major ruckus.:mad:

Having had to deal with similar crap from the other Buick event, this shows why many Buick racers have made the choice not to attend Buick races. Changing rules and policies to suit people or situations on the spot is not right.

Have never seen this happen at events put on by many of the West Coast racing associations.:confused:

Hope the rest of the event goes well for the racers without any other distruption, and my condolences go out to Mike, and hope they stand up to their original agreement and let Mike race.
 
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this is why people put sbc v8's in there buicks and lose interest in it all. Just like the bs with oh your fender well has been modified so you have a tub job. You cannot race here. After supporting the buicks and attending events over and over. I do not blame anyone for saying screw the events and just build a car for fun.
 
I was thinking of going to this event, And i know Mike, He's helped me out of numerous jams with my stage 2. It simply baffles me that his car is "illegal" for a BUICK POWERED CLASS. Since when did a blown buick stage 2 become otherwise? It's SH!T like this that keeps me from more events... Why are some racers such petty jerks?:mad:
 
I was thinking of going to this event, And i know Mike, He's helped me out of numerous jams with my stage 2. It simply baffles me that his car is "illegal" for a BUICK POWERED CLASS. Since when did a blown buick stage 2 become otherwise? It's SH!T like this that keeps me from more events... Why are some racers such petty jerks?:mad:


Fear not,after a review of what was actually written down in the rules,they have decided to let Mike run.
Good on them.
I'm satisfied,all Mike wanted was shot at it
BTW Mike,Happy Birthday.:smile:
 
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This is a great event to attend.Great cars,people,vendors & the race atmosphere in general.John thanks for updating the thread.:biggrin:
 
I personally, and for the BPG Board of Directors, would like to apologize to Mike Booher for the way in which the DQ event was handled. I was the one who contacted the tower after Mike made his first pass and informed them that dragsters were not permitted in the S8/Q16. That was the way the rules were originally written. Shortly after it was pointed out that was not the fact. The decision was changed and Mike was then permitted to race. Unfortunately, mother nature made the final decision.

Added note: Nick Micale was unable to make the race due to serious back problems. Chris Lyons stepped in on short notice and did an exceptional job in handling the event. Thanks Chris.
 
John, While I will accept your politically correct approach to appoligizing to me and trying to save face. Most MEN ,that had three days to walk or ride the 100 yards between our trailers would have chosen to do so, face to face!! Matter of fact every time you towed your OPEL ( sold by buick but actually an import) and the REVERIA (did that PIS qualify for anything) right past my trailer you turned your head away in typical John Schmidt , better than thou fashion ( BTW is your avatar supposed to make you look like GOD or MOSES ?? There are many who would like to know including me)
So everyone else understands this. I have been trying to race at one of these events for years!! You have made it very clear that you personnally
do not want me there and have told me so. I suppose its a ego thing having to do with my car being sooooo much faster than yours. But as I have told you many times, you need to set your personal issues aside and do what is best for the BPG. How in the world that you see me making 6 second -200 MPH
passes at your event a bad thing is beyond me??? The people attending these events have spoken. They want to see me race ,as is evidenced in all the signatures that I have on those voting boards that I set out at the track.
You know the one you ask me to take down last year and I complied!!
I didnt take it down this year!!! PICS TO BE POSTED LATER ON ANOTHER POST WITH EXPLANATION!!! kicked, spit on and lied to , but look out now Im back up for the fight !! MIKe :cool:
 
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John,thanks for the second look at Mike's dragster and allowing him to race.I was able to spend some time with Mike,his gracious wife Linda and their team.I was able to learn a lot from Mike and his setup.I hope that next year we'll all get to see Mike & Linda's car lay down some serious numbers.
As a spectator it amazed me how many folks stopped by to see a "supercharged V6 rail".The "Buick hobby" might benefit from other cars such as this.
 
It is a disgrace that Mike's running was even in question. Whats the problem? Same story when Mike Christrensen from St.Louis was told not to bring his stage 2 dragster or his bad ass GN powered altered roadster back to the GS Nats, that was BS as well, so Mike you are not the first this has happened to. Mike does make a very good point however, no way the Opel is a Buick, not just because Buick dealers sold them. There is a Buick dealer a couple miles away that sells Nissans, does that make them legal?, I doubt it. I have known John for many years and am very suprised and a bit perplexed that he did not come over to talk to you, In my experience he usually has no problem dealing with issues in a stand up way.

Mike
 
That is one bad machine!!! BlownV6 you are guaranteed when we do a TurboBuick.com event you will be welcome!!!!
 
John, I do believe that you thought that the rules excluded me from running. However that was not the case and it was very clear that I was indeed legal. Reguardless it was not your decision to make without first consulting with the race director which you did not do. OK I can live with a mistake on your part and would have had no hard feelings, BUT I went to Chris Lyons with my take on the rules and asked to see the rule book. He said he did not have one and OK I believe that. Chris said that he would go talk with you ( I informed that you had a personal issue with me and did not want me to run) He assured me that the right decision would be made.
An hour later I stopped back at Chris trailer and he informed me that a group
of board members had had a lengthy descussion on this and that the INTENTION of the rules was buick powered and buick bodied. I said I didnt care what the intention was what did the rule say!!! Some how he still didnt have a copy of the rules but assured me that the BPG would gladly refund my money if I was OK with that. WTF I told him it wasnt over!!
Meanwhile qualifing is still ongoing and I am banned!!!
NOW I am on a mission to find a rule book. Nick Mcale was called and could not believe his ears!! I was indeed legal to run!!! An hour later I came up with a rule book which is clear a day.
Quick 8 -- Buick powered anything goes, .4 tree heads up!!!

Now if you had a meeting of the board members about weather my car was legal. Did you not have a rule book??? Or did a higher power that didnt want me there anyway decide that I would just go away!!!

I took your rule book to Chris Lyons and he agreed that it was pretty clear cut. He would meet with the board Sat AM and have me an answer.
Answer : I guess we have to let you run (legally I guess so)

Chris, I am really sorry that you got stuck in the middle here, It was a pleasure to deal with you. But im not the bad guy here either!!!

I am among the 5 fastest Buick Powered vehicles on the planet!!! And you dont want me to race at your event!!! I simply do not understand!!! Mike:cool:
 
Now that the dust has cleared,let's talk about what went wrong and how to avoid it in the future.
First off:
Name calling won't solve anything.
People's backs get up and you've got a "log jamb".
John thought he was protecting the class because he assumed the rules for it would apply the same this year as they did last year,only more liberally[still door slammers though].
Unfortunately,they weren't WRITTEN that way.
An oversight perhaps?
Again the assumption was supposed to be ..........
It was clearly stated in the Quick 16 rules.
That why the omission of the stipulation in Quick 8 was read by Mike as a welcome mat.
I agree with him.
I also agree with John and his thinking,but again it wasn't written in.
"Spirits" belong in haunted houses and drink glasses,not rule books.
Just because other "racing associations" do similar things,doesn't mean that the BPG should.

John: you've always professed an credo of integrity and honesty in Buick racing.
That's why I've stuck with you from the inception of the BPG.
With that said,when I saw what appeared to be a "discretionary wrong" being committed,I acted.
I WILL NOT stand by in good conscience and watch that kind of stuff happen to the BPG.
Not a chance.
I will not allow anyone to sour the BPG for me.
That's why I'm a member and a sponsor.
Let the *other group* shoot themselves in the foot.
It's been showing up on the attendance figures the last few years and everyone that goes knows it.
I am sorry I had to act in that manner and I will openly apologize to you here John,but it had to be done to avoid any future miscues.
A thinking mind will win the day,every time.
That's what sets us apart from the animals.
An event is run for the racers and spectators with rules and guidelines laid down to run the event by.
When you run an event using "guidelines outside the rulebook",you face the risk of becoming the demon you wish to avoid.
That's why most democratic countries have constitutions/laws and they try to stick to them.

Mike:
I can understand your frustration and I sympathize.
Bringing your car down two years in a row and being denied is no fun.
However if progress is to be made for the benefit of all who attend the BPG events in the future,we have to work this out like intelligent people,otherwise this will just fester and cause a "cancer" in the group.
Pride comes before a fall.

The big issue seems to be the starting line advantage the a rail car has over a door slammer[it sure as heck's not top end aerodynamics].
Correct guys?
This is where I discussed with you [Mike] the handicap the NHRA uses when they run the Fuelers against the Funnies.
You seemed to agree that would be workable.
I am I correct?
Would this be agreeable to you John?

The concensus of everyone I talked to [30 or so at the track alone and 15 or so at the hotel] was unanimous:let Mike compete.
Not one dissenter - even among the V8 guys.
Apparently there were even a few Quick 8 guys looking forward to it too,but probably not all.
You can't have everything to your favour.
That's why it's called a competition.
You don't hand out trophies and prizes based on past performance.
You've gotta earn them.
Let's see if we can work this out for next year[intelligently] and put on a really well done show that people are going to remember.
I know I have some fond memories of the past BPG events.
I even look forward to seeing Mike's rail and John's Riv' line up and go.
That would sure be something to see.:cool:
 
Radius Kid, Thank you for standing up for me during all this. It is not in any way my intention to tear down anyone or the BPG. I love this group!!
I live and breath Buick v6 stage 2!!! I just want to be a part of it and blend in with everyone. But Im not allowed in the playground!!! I had a good discussion with Nick today and he wishes he could have been there. His intention with this class was to bring the best of the best, fast of the fast ,if you will ,together and put on a show that everyone would remember. My dream was to run side by side,neck and neck with the RIV and Rod Henderson , the opel , and definetly with Freeman!!! How cool would a side by side 6 second 200 mph run have been for everyone???? Might have made a piece of history that we would all tell our grand kids. Though the way things evolved , I felt forced to park my car until the first round. End result. I didnt fulfill my dream of going in the 6 second 200 mph club in front group of people that love to be around. And that oppurtunity may never come again!!! Mike:rolleyes:
 
I felt forced to park my car until the first round. End result. I didnt fulfill my dream of going in the 6 second 200 mph club in front group of people that love to be around. And that oppurtunity may never come again!!! Mike

Mike: I am again very sorry for the "total screwup". You are always welcome in the group. We will make sure that next year you will be in the thick of things. With the success the event had this year you might have a larger audience to blast your way into the 6 second club. Good luck.
 
Mike: I am again very sorry for the "total screwup". You are always welcome in the group. We will make sure that next year you will be in the thick of things. With the success the event had this year you might have a larger audience to blast your way into the 6 second club. Good luck.

I just posted a possible solution for this dilemma on the other board.
Maybe Mike can run the eventual winner of the door slammer class[in the Quick 8]?
In other words he stays out until the dust settles and then runs the door slammer class winner for the title?
Maybe Mike makes a pass after every round of the doorslammers to keep the mechanical wear and tear aspect even?
A compensation factor for Mike would still apply for the finals against the door slammer winner..
If more than one rail shows up,Mike would have to run against him to get to the finals.
Does that sound workable?
I'm hoping.:)
 
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