Burgler shooting

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Pablo says
thats besides the point, those indians (they weren't killed off either their descendents are crossing our border every day)
You may want to do some checking on that one dude! you may have some indian in you somewhere down the line. My wife is 1/2 american indian, her mom came off the reservation in new york and if you want to PISS her off, ask her if she is spanish or mexican! GOD ALLMIGHTY, you will have a mad woman on your hands lol. They were screwed over worse than anyone in our history but you never see them crying on tv, wanting special funds set up, etc. off the soap box now good day Daniel Ray

 

[Pablo]

Pablo says
thats besides the point, those indians (they weren't killed off either their descendents are crossing our border every day)
You may want to do some checking on that one dude! you may have some indian in you somewhere down the line. My wife is 1/2 american indian, her mom came off the reservation in new york and if you want to PISS her off, ask her if she is spanish or mexican! GOD ALLMIGHTY, you will have a mad woman on your hands lol. They were screwed over worse than anyone in our history but you never see them crying on tv, wanting special funds set up, etc. off the soap box now good day Daniel Ray

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The VAST majority of mexicans are predominantly Indian, of Mayan, Aztec, and Inca descent, upwards of 40% of the mexican population is 100% indian blooded as shown by genetic sampling. My mother teaches ESOL to mexican migrant children that still only speak their native indian languages. The rest of mexico is an admixture of genetics ranging from trace amounts of genetic markers from european stock to people like your wife who are only half indian to people that are 100% european like the upper class in mexico city. The upper class people aren't the ones leaving mexico for the US so the mexicans you are accustomed to seeing are the ones that come from poor economic conditions, namely those most indian. Probably why you haven't seen a white mexican unless you've watched a mexican soap opera. So the next time your wife is mistaken for a mexican she should say "Not a bad guess, yes I'm half indian" instead of getting mad.


My family came to the "new world" sometime in the late 1800s from Granada Spain and probably (not 100% sure) Galicia Spain. Not sure what relevance that has to Indians. You'd have to be a real moron to confuse a genetically Spanish person with a genetically Indian person since the Spanish are caucasian but since in the US people see mostly indians speaking Spanish I guess I have to live with that ignorance.

small history tidbit

One reason the Spanish conquered the indians so easily( aside from vast technological superiority), is because they were seen as gods because in aztec, mayan, and incan mythology their god or gods had white skin and of course had mythical powers. When they saw the Spaniards for the first time they thought for sure that these white men with armor, cannons, and ships (things they had no concept of) were Gods.
When Montezuma the aztec leader first learned of the Spanish arrival, he believed that Cortes (the Spanish conquistador) might be Quetzalcoatl, an ancient god who had returned to earth to control the Aztec kingdom. Montezuma welcomed the Spanish into Tenochtitlan (the Aztec capital) saying, "It appears that our Lord has returned to his country. Go and receive him worthily."
But soon he learned he had made a terrible mistake. Only a few days later Cortes took Montezuma hostage. Montezuma ordered vast amounts of gold and silver brought to the palace, hoping the foreigners would take it and leave his city. But they did not. Montezuma remained a prisoner.... and that was all she wrote. (The term "Montezuma's Revenge" make sense now?) A few hundred years later, most of Montezuma's people now speak spanish but are genetically indian like the Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux, etc who now speak mostly English.
All of which descend from the same Asiatic nomads that crossed the Bering sea like 30,000 years ago when it was frozen over.
Sorry for going off on a tangent

 

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Anybody that breaks in my house will be shot.

 

[alittlev6]

Anybody that breaks in my house will be shot.

yes breaks into your OWNhouse can and will be shot

 

[2QUIK6]

There are a few obscure Texas laws that could protect one in a case like this, shooting someone in the back. Obviously its a closed case if it would have been from the front or the crook was inside the house, back or not, if they are in the house, they can be shot. But there are some laws, or wording thereof that may indicate its ok to use lethal force if someone has your belongings in their possession and the only way to recover them is to use lethal force and its dark, which would be the case if someone just stole your possesions and you were persuing them when they were fleeing..obviously you couldn't shoot them if it were a day later when you found them with your possessions.
There was a case just a few years ago where a guy caught someone stealing his wheels or hubcabs, and when he ran out the door, they fleed and hopped ina truck and took off. The man shot several times at the fleeing truck...the next morning the truck was found a mile down the road in a ditch with the driver slumped over dead from a gunshot wound. The case went to the grand jury to decide but was not prosecuted or tried due to the wheels being in the back of the truck.

This world is full of enough criminals, in these cases, they are no doubt the criminal so it should be the victims right to shot on the spot...maybe if the guy didn't have his back turned, and few seconds later the scumbag may have pulled out a gun and shot the victim dead. Remember the victim here probably doesn't use a gun on a normal basis and is not put in these situations but once in a lifetime....the criminal here may do these types of actions on a normal basis, having a gun in his hand is nothing new..something to think about. Emotions will have a lot to play. Victims emotions are high at this point, criminals may not be cause they are used to doing this activity.
But of course...I say every prisoner should have the right to have a noose in every cell too..if you fell like using it..go for it, does cost the tax payer a dime except for the rope unlike carrying out a dead sentence

Well I guess I didn't catch that the criminals did not have the guys belongs but were those of his neighbor, was not clear on our news or I didn't listen...but if thats the case, he could be into some trouble for sure...what I said above does not apply. Sounds like it is unclear if they even had any stolen belongings with them too...double trouble there.

 

[Jerryl]

The laws read like a Chicago Mob Boss wrote them. "Yeah I can kill a burglar if I think my neighbor would want me to!---U gotta problem with that?" God bless Texas, my new favorite State

Come on down ......... LOL


Here is what should be done ......... these low lives deserved it .......
YouTube - training day badass

 

[Brer Rabbit]

I agree...

Come on down ......... LOL


Here is what should be done ......... these low lives deserved it .......
YouTube - training day badass

Much more effective, those were the good old days, try that now and the Denzel and his paartner would be fired, and the muts would have at least 5 million each.

 

[SlickTR]

The guy that shot them should be given a medal and the keys to the city.

Guns are never a means of less-than-deadly force. If you fire your weapon it better be to kill someone because in any court of law that is what a weapon will be construed as. Shoot someone in the knees (if you can aim at someones knees running) is a good way to hit their femoral artery and kill them anyway. Besides, do you want the victim of your gunfire to be around to concoct his own version of events that could leave you penniless or in the slammer?

Like my father always used to say "Dead Men Tell No Tales"

Exactly, if your going to use a gun you better be willing to finish the job. With that being said there is no way those guys would have left my house or a good neighbors house alive. It's my god given right to protect my family and my property, it's one of the main principles this country was founded on. If more people defended them selves and their neighbors in such a way I bet the break in rates would drop

 

[BlackoutDrunk]

Exactly, if your going to use a gun you better be willing to finish the job. With that being said there is no way those guys would have left my house or a good neighbors house alive. It's my god given right to protect my family and my property, it's one of the main principles this country was founded on. If more people defended them selves and their neighbors in such a way I bet the break in rates would drop

AMEN!

 

[Junior Samples]

sorry, but you break into my house, you will not exit alive.
simple fact!

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Hey Lee? what if its the UPS guy finally figuring out where you live?..LOL

 

[Chicago1UP]

I do agree with him shooting!! But don't ya think he could of shot them in the leg or some other place, just to stop them?? I mean shooting them in the back is pretty harsh. He should of just crippled them, then they would have to live the rest of there life with that, as a strong reminder of how stupid they were! We work to hard these day's for what we want just to have some idiot's come and take it......

 

[Jerryl]

Update!

Grand jury clears Joe Horn in controversial Pasadena shootings | TOP STORIES | KHOU.com | News for Houston, Texas


05:59 PM CDT on Monday, June 30, 2008

Grand jury clears Joe Horn in controversial Pasadena shootings

HOUSTON -- The Pasadena man who shot and killed two suspected burglars last November was no-billed by a Harris County grand jury Monday.

Horn's attorney, Tom Lambright, first heard the news in a phone call from 11 News.

"I'm sure Joe will be delighted," Lambright said. "I think the evidence showed that Joe was, in fact, within his legal rights to do what he did. He didn't want to do it, but he didn't have any other alternative."

Lambright said Horn still feels awful about the shooting and is not ready to comment publicly yet

He said Horn is very grateful to the people who supported him and stood behind him.

"The message that the grand jury sent today is frightening," said community activist Quanell X.

Horn testified before the jurors for about 90 minutes on Friday before he was escorted out of the courtroom in secret.

The fiancé of one of the men Horn killed was hoping for a different outcome.

“He shouldn’t have shot those men. He shot them in the back,” Stephany Storey said Friday. “I think he should see jail time. He should be behind bars.”

Storey had hoped to make that point before the grand jury, but she was turned away.

The grand jury had been on the case for two weeks, working through the details of an incident that garnered national attention.

"In this case, the grand jury concluded that Mr. Horn's use of deadly force did not rise to a criminal offense," said Harris County District Attorney Kenneth Magidson.

Horn maintains that he shot the men in self-defense. An autopsy report indicated that both men were shot in the back.

Police later said the two illegal immigrants, Hernando Torres and Diego Ortiz, were believed to be part of an organized home burglary ring out of Colombia.

Horn called 911 to report two men had broken into his neighbor's house.

During the 911 call, the operator repeatedly warned Horn to stay inside.

“I’ve got a shotgun do you want me to stop ‘em?” Horn asked.

“Nope don’t do that. Ain’t no property worth shooting somebody over OK?,” the Pasadena dispatcher said as he called out officers to the scene.

“I’ll be honest with you, I’m not gonna let ‘em go, I’m not gonna let them get away with this (expletive),” he told the dispatcher.

Things turned ugly when protesters clashed outside of Horn's house late last year.
Then a short time later: “I can’t take a chance on getting killed over this. I’m gonna shoot. I’m gonna shoot.”

The entire shooting was caught on tape.

Horn can be heard telling the suspects, "You're dead," followed by a loud boom.

Lambright, who has known Horn for decades, said his client is normally a quiet, humble man and his behavior that day was out of character.

The shooting ignited a national debate about the use of deadly force in protecting property.

Many of Horn’s neighbors supported his actions, while some community activists have condemned him as a gun-toting vigilante.

Police went to Horn's neighborhood Monday as a precaution.




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[Pablo]

This is AWESOME news!


I'm shocked. Good news for a change!

Like I said before, he oughta be given a medal.

 

[Black Power]

Of course Quanell X was upset about the decision. He is a black panther and the guys that got shot were black.

I wonder if a black guy had shot two white burglars if old Quanell would have been so upset. He probably would have bought him dinner.

Those burglars deserved to be killed. If two white guys had been shot for robbing a house I would be feel just as strongly that they needed to be shot. You know the risk you run when you live your life trying to take the easy road. Those lazy bastards should have had jobs and none of this would have happened.

Joe Horn for President!

 

[Chuck Leeper]

"The message that the grand jury sent today is frightening," said community activist Quanell X".
Hopefully, his "associates" will spread the word.
Try robbing, raping, stealing, and the good folks of Texas will shoot your sorry a$$. That's the message Quanell X needs to get out.

"Of course Quanell X was upset about the decision. He is a black panther and the guys that got shot were black."

Nope.. They were illegals, from ??
"Police later said the two illegal immigrants, Hernando Torres and Diego Ortiz, were believed to be part of an organized home burglary ring out of Colombia."

The "fiancee" is all torn up?? Tuff $hit. Maybe, the ICE guys should check her "immigration status", and proceed appropiately.

Time to "pump the cesspool"....

 

[jpwalt1987]

When seconds count....the Police are minutes away!!! Joe horn did what every american should have the balls to do. STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT!!!

 

[Madcat455]

WOW!!!!!


I personally didn't think it'd go this way... but I'm GLAD it did. Maybe this will give anybody thinking about B&E second thoughts.


This is a good decision.

 

[Black Power]

"Of course Quanell X was upset about the decision. He is a black panther and the guys that got shot were black."

Nope.. They were illegals, from ??
"Police later said the two illegal immigrants, Hernando Torres and Diego Ortiz, were believed to be part of an organized home burglary ring out of Colombia."

Nope, they were black guys. They may have been from Colombia and had what sound like Latino names, but they were black.

 

[Jerryl]

Here is the video of the DA making the anouncement.

DA anouncement, Joe Horn Case



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