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turbo39151

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turbofish38: I know you're one of the most informed guys on this board.

What can you tell me about the ASC Sunroof. I have one that seems to be missing the backer board and instead seems as if the cloth was stretched out and glued to the roof.

I can actually run my hands along the cloth and feel (mechnicals?) underneath. IS there a board that is supposed to be here? If so, do you have a pic or something? I don't want to start cutting and find out that there is no fix...
 
Louis:
You can probably catch Turbofish 38, Alias Eric, over on the turbolounge quicker than anywhere else as there is a thread going for his Birthday today.
 
I know nothing about the ACS roof. I've never had one or looked at one. Give Brian a call at gbodyparts 252-332-8787. I know he had parts for one a couple of months ago and could probally tell you what it used for a headliner.
 
If, i remember correctly the ASC dealer installed roof was also used on lincolns in the mid to late 80's. I found that when i was looking for parts to fix mine years ago. HTH
dale
 
I called Brian and ordered the ABS plastic liner. I'm goitn to try and take pics and to document everything as I go.
 
I have been slowly accumulating info on these as mine has one installed. I am pretty sure they were dealer installed and it seems mine was installed just like yours. I recently bought most of a used roof from a guy who was making a race car out of his 87 GN and filled his roof hole. It had a different manufacturers stamp on the glass and the owners manual had 1992 written on the envelope, also had an auto closing feature. I am assuming that it was installed in 92. The guy described the way it was installed and it sounded the same as mine. I used to have an 80 Caddy Eldorado with an ASC roof and it had a full headliner with a Bosch motor that was still working at 300,000 miles when I junked it. I need a new headliner and it seems the ABS liner is the way to go. Let us know about your install. Wish I could find someone who worked at the dealer back then to tell us more.
 
I've been out of the loop for a bit. I'll start the project this weekend
 
Just a quick update. I ordered the ABS headliner from G-Body parts and it was a nice piece but it was not usable for the sunroof car! DO NOT BUY THIS PIECE IF YOU HAVE A SUNROOF CAR. IT WON"T WORK.

It is a piece made specifically for a solid roof car and suspect that it would work perfectly for that application.

Nevertheless, I trudge on...

I pulled away the material that had been "glued" to the ceiling and proceeded to disconnect the wiring and the bolts that secured the roof assembly in place. It came out easily and was no problem at all. We cleaned the assembly and pulled out the slider board in order to re-cover it with new material. Came out real nice...

Put the assembly, (which BTW was stamped with a FORD logo), back in the car and adjusted a few times to make sure it would seat properly. Everything was fine. Taped up the wires, and was ready to put the ABS piece that we had test fitted and with would not cooperate for anything. Ended up having to cut it up into pieces... (still working on that)

I'll post a few pics below and post more when I have a solution that works...

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Note that the original headliner was not even removed! It was simply hacked out and covered over...

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a few more

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Custom tape work courtesy of ASC

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Sawzall to cut the roof?

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Didn't know if the markings had any significance

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Slider borad re-covered. Slight crease but no biggie it's smooth out in the heat.

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Thanks for the updates, I have not had mine completely apart but from what I have seen my install was just like yours..tape and all. I don't know if mine has the "custom metal cutting" like yours though, that is clearly a butchering.:mad: I think when the day comes to restore mine back to stock I am going to eliminate the m/roof. I kind of kick myself for not researching this stuff better before I bought my car.
 
I have an aftermarket sunroof in my car(not ASC), and the previous headliner was just stretched out and glued like yours. I went to the junkyard and found a Regal with a fatory sun roof and stole the headliner shell out of it. The hole in it was a little bigger than what my sunroof is, but once you have the material on the board, and then cut it out for the opening and tuck the ends into the metal trim ring on the sunroof you cant tell that the board opening was to big. If you guys can find a factory sunroof G body in the junkyards somewhere then grab the shell out of it you will be set. Carefull though as once the material is off the shell for your recover it is very flimsy and will crack really easy. I had some cracks in mine, and even though it is foam I used a 5 min epoxy and it didnt eat away at it and they held strong as could be. HTH Dusty
 
Dusty: good idea but it seems as if the ASTROROOF and the ASC are different enough to have a different headliner. I'd probably still try it anyway but I have never seen a G-Body with any kind of sunroof in the junkyards here. Additionally, you'll need an SUV/truck to carry the headliner once you get it. (I don't have either):frown:
 
My car has a unit that is alomst identical to what you have, but its motor is actually mounted in the trunk and a cable runs all the way up into the car. It is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. The factory astroroof headliner shells are just a flat piece of foam with barely any curne to them so I think they would work with almost any unit. Im sure if you could find one in a yard somewhere and found someone to help you get it home you wouldnt have to do anything but recover it and install. You could probably even get some thin foam display board from a store and glue it on to it if you wanted to make the hole smaller or fit better.
 
It has been brought to my attention that G-bodyparts offers two variations of this ASB headliner. I was sent one for the hardtop. I did not even know there was one for the astroroof. (apparently pre-cut and covered). I have an email and a couple of phone calls out to BWEAVY to see if I can get this resolved... I'll update this thread as I get more info.

I'd like to finish this project before summer is over...
 
Update:

I have place 2 calls to Brian which have gone unreturned. I have, additionally, sent about 4 or 5 emails asking for his input on this situation since I have managed to call on "his busiest days".

AS of today July 26, 2007, I have yet to hear back from him. Seems to me that if you can be "available" for a sale you should be "available" (or at least make yourself available) after the sale as well.:confused:

Hopefully, we'll get this resolved and I'll be able to finish this project and let you guys know if this ABS thing is gonna work for the ASC Roof...

wish me luck.
 
Headliners

I returned your e-mail today.
I do not agree with your post that this will not work for a hardtop due to 1 persons attempt.
They modified a hardtop headliner when the units were installed not a Astro roof headliner.

"AS of today July 26, 2007, I have yet to hear back from him. Seems to me that if you can be "available" for a sale you should be "available" (or at least make yourself available) after the sale as well."

We ship over 60 packages a day & we do make ourselves available when possible. Calling 3 times a day will not change the results it just ties up our lines & slows down shipping for other customers.

You asked my advice & made a decision to go with a hardtop headliner. On our site we offer moon roof headliners.We have posted on every board the we had them built. I spent $5k & a year & a half making myself available for these units to be built. Spend 5 minutes of your time & use a search feature.
Don't have a problem & expect the vendor to be the solution when you are on the other side of the country. We did our job & had all 3 headliners available.We shipped out promptly as well.We Gave you an informed response for you to make your decision.
It is not my fault you didn't search to find out we carry moon roof headliners. There is no guarantee it will work anyway.
 
WOW Brian. You seem a little hostile.

I agree with you that the shipping and packaging was top notch.

While I am not here to argue or start trouble with anyone, I can 100% guarantee that the hardtop ABS piece will NOT work for the ASC roof car. It is too rigid and cannot be made to comport with the shape of the ASC sunroof assembly. The stock hardtop headliner was NOT modified for the ASC roof it wasn't even removed! It was left in place and cut along the edges (the rear and front having about 3-4" of board and material still there underneath the stretched material for the ASC assembly.)

As per your comment about the Astroroof ABS piece- "there is NO GUARANTEE it will work anyway"- I guess we can't use that one either...

As for your comments about expenses of R&D. That was your business decision, not mine. There is no reason to go on about that. It is irrelevant.

My calls to your shop were not 3 times a day as you claim. I called once in the morning on Friday and once in the evening (for about 30 seconds). I called again on Monday morning and finally resorted to the 4-5 emails because you didn't want to deal with me.

My original request to you was simple. (I needed some guidance on a suitable fix for my ASC roof- to which you claimed that the hardtop ABS would work.- Since you are an "expert", I deferred to you and purchased the unit that you advised me to. It cost me about $260 with shipping and all and it turned out to be a huge waste of money.

Unlike many of the other board members who support you, (and I have done the same in the past) I'm not a drone that will follow blindly just because you are a supporting vendor. You HAD a reputation for being a fair and decent business person on this board and we can all appreciate that a vendor that supports TR's is great but not to the detriment of fair business practices. I did business with you based upon feedback from other members. I was confident that what you said was accurate and that you would stand behind the products you sell and deal with any issues accordingly in a fair manner. The manner with which you have confronted this issue exemplifies poor business practice. I am not suggesting that you not profit from your ventures but if you tell me something works and it doesn't, I'd like a favorable solution.

At this point, you've avoided me and then sought to "scold me" via private email and then on this public forum. All I wanted was a fix for my ASC roof.

"Don't have a problem & expect the vendor to be the solution when you are on the other side of the country." :confused: HUH???

What am I to expect? (I didn't plan the problem...) Are you saying that we are supposed to support you with sales because you are a vendor and then if we have issues not have them addressed? Well, at least those of us who don't live in close proximity to your facility?

Finally, you state that it's not your fault that I didn't search... I did search for a reputable vendor and was referred to you. That, apparently, was my fault....
 
You installed it modified the board & made it so it was not returnable.

You haven't seen hostile & this isn't.

You can not take a headliner modify it & then send it back & threaten to slam me on the board for not refunding you $260.00 as part of customer service because you modified the unit.Then say hey send me the moon roof unit so I can try & make that 1 fit. "I didn't even knew you carried it."

Try using common sense by installing it first to see if it will be close to working. if it doesn't look like it will work then call & return.

If it looks like it would work then remove the assemblly & trace a hole. Then cut & install.
As far as being rigid we bend them into a full circle & ship them in a 12" square box that is 54" tall. I have installed them in cars with roll cages.
I wouldn't call them rigid. Flexable & form fitting would be my description.

As far as your search:Search: Key Word(s): moonroof, headliner
pops up all kinds of links.Including ours for FACTORY moon roofs

Sit back put yourself in my shoes & you might understand.It's not a customer service aspect as much as it is customer return policy.
 
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