I’m finally doing something with my SII. The block is 267ci, not sure of the compression but was in a fast car (around 8sec) so probably low. I was going to run some aluminum champion style heads because I want to drive this car a lot, daily if possible, and think they’ll be better on the street. Then I got to thinking, since I have the room, why not try to run the huge SII heads? Car is tubbed, sorta pro street, and really would like to use the bigger heads. Will be using 4L80E transmission. Since I’m assuming the compression is in the 8s, and with the big heads, it might be too doggy. Can a well designed cam, proper converter stall, and rear gearing be combined so I’ll enjoy driving it daily? Thanks.
Can I make Stage II heads run on the street?
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Get in touch with Mr Spool , He has a stage II car with the stage II heads . The right turbo will make a world of difference in spool & responsiveness .
Dynoman,
Thanks. Since I have your attention, and anyone else - how about a Lenco manual behind the SII? I checked the prices of a well built 4L80E, and will be comparable to Lenco. I prefer to row my own, and should take care of having to select proper TC lockup and whatever and maybe be better for lag. Just not sure about spooling turbo without a load on the tranny. Not a real fan of all the levers, so if another type of regular manual can work would be good to know.
Best regards.
John
Thanks. Since I have your attention, and anyone else - how about a Lenco manual behind the SII? I checked the prices of a well built 4L80E, and will be comparable to Lenco. I prefer to row my own, and should take care of having to select proper TC lockup and whatever and maybe be better for lag. Just not sure about spooling turbo without a load on the tranny. Not a real fan of all the levers, so if another type of regular manual can work would be good to know.
Best regards.
John
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I've only heard of one guy on here putting a manual trans in a Turbo Buick and it was a few years ago , check out T56 swap .
The main thing that has changed is turbo technology , as in the instant spool of Comp Hubless turbos . Like I said before contact or PM Mr Spool as he has been racing / street racing since the early 90's and has run or worked on just about any combo you can think of . Click on this thread .
The main thing that has changed is turbo technology , as in the instant spool of Comp Hubless turbos . Like I said before contact or PM Mr Spool as he has been racing / street racing since the early 90's and has run or worked on just about any combo you can think of . Click on this thread .
Time for a break in the norm in the trans section. I searched and couldn't find where anyone had done a manual trans swap in GN with the v6. Lots of people have asked in the past, but were advised against it. I guess I like a challenge. I'm thinking this is going to make my car a bit more fun to drive. 
This may not be the best route if you have a big turbo on a small motor or a factory computer. But for my car with a 277" motor and a 6768 with XFI, it will work fine. Should be a ZR1, Z06, GT500, Hellcat crushing monster with 900+ hp on tap.
So, what does it take.
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This may not be the best route if you have a big turbo on a small motor or a factory computer. But for my car with a 277" motor and a 6768 with XFI, it will work fine. Should be a ZR1, Z06, GT500, Hellcat crushing monster with 900+ hp on tap.
So, what does it take.
You need a...
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There have been a few guys over the years that have done it and it's not a problem.
Go with a roller cam in the 220 range and let it rev. For street use, yes absolutely get the correct converter. HPT or Comp can set you up with a crazy responsive turbo that will work on the street, especially in an 8 to 1 CR motor.
If you are willing to spend Lenco money, I would suggest a well built 200 from Husek or Lonnie Diers and you will save over a Lenco. Instead of a Lenco maybe try a sequential 6 speed built with a fun lever, the best of both worlds. Whatever you do, get something with overdrive for the street. Helps a lot
Running the motor on E85 will help with response across the board.
Go with a roller cam in the 220 range and let it rev. For street use, yes absolutely get the correct converter. HPT or Comp can set you up with a crazy responsive turbo that will work on the street, especially in an 8 to 1 CR motor.
If you are willing to spend Lenco money, I would suggest a well built 200 from Husek or Lonnie Diers and you will save over a Lenco. Instead of a Lenco maybe try a sequential 6 speed built with a fun lever, the best of both worlds. Whatever you do, get something with overdrive for the street. Helps a lot
Running the motor on E85 will help with response across the board.
Dynoman,
Mr Spool, I almost sold this engine to him, obviously glad I didn’t. I’ll contact him, thank you.
Reggie,
Definitely overdrive wanted! I do have a LD 200 in one of my Ttypes. I thought about pulling it and using in the new car, but I still have ported aluminum heads and another LC2 engine, so will keep tranny in that car. I’m looking for high hp out of this combo, and have two 4L80Es here. I’ve heard that tranny is better than a 200 for high hp applications. The LD tranny came in a car I bought from a friend, and pretty sure it is a full boogie 200.
I’ll look at the 6spd you mentioned. If I liked the looks of the Lenco shifters more would be hard tempted to go that way, still am. Open to all options at this point. Lots of great info, thank you.
Best regards.
Mr Spool, I almost sold this engine to him, obviously glad I didn’t. I’ll contact him, thank you.
Reggie,
Definitely overdrive wanted! I do have a LD 200 in one of my Ttypes. I thought about pulling it and using in the new car, but I still have ported aluminum heads and another LC2 engine, so will keep tranny in that car. I’m looking for high hp out of this combo, and have two 4L80Es here. I’ve heard that tranny is better than a 200 for high hp applications. The LD tranny came in a car I bought from a friend, and pretty sure it is a full boogie 200.
I’ll look at the 6spd you mentioned. If I liked the looks of the Lenco shifters more would be hard tempted to go that way, still am. Open to all options at this point. Lots of great info, thank you.
Best regards.
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Your not going to be able to manually shift any H pattern as fast as these cars spool up and go, 1000 fwhp and under go for a 200-4r by Husek
As cool as a T-56 is, technically its only gonna slow you down in these cars
As cool as a T-56 is, technically its only gonna slow you down in these cars
I haven't been in the market for an engine so you might have me confused with someone else
I have 109s and stage 2 motored with stage 2 heads.
Any head can be run on the street.
The point of running a stage 2 head and block is flow and the ability to create power at a higher rpm.
A stage 2 motor sings at a higher rpm.
With that said a 200 will not be happy if you choose to spin it at 7500 to 9000rpm.
So that is not the tranny to run.
Most guys don't run a 1000hp and want it as a daily driver in a Buick.
the spring pressures needed to create the rpm on a stage head to take advantage of the head flow are higher and putting a small cam typically won't take advantage of the head flow.
As far as turbos well they make the power.
And the new hubless comp triple bb turbos will spool up on any compression motor if sized correctly.
If your interested pm me.
The point of running a stage 2 head and block is flow and the ability to create power at a higher rpm.
A stage 2 motor sings at a higher rpm.
With that said a 200 will not be happy if you choose to spin it at 7500 to 9000rpm.
So that is not the tranny to run.
Most guys don't run a 1000hp and want it as a daily driver in a Buick.
the spring pressures needed to create the rpm on a stage head to take advantage of the head flow are higher and putting a small cam typically won't take advantage of the head flow.
As far as turbos well they make the power.
And the new hubless comp triple bb turbos will spool up on any compression motor if sized correctly.
If your interested pm me.
Mr Spool,
Thanks for the reply and info. I had the engine advertised a few years back and can’t recall all the folks that were interested, my apologies.
Well, since I have everything for the engine to run with the ported M&As including headers and champ on center intake, this discussion has me moving back toward using them. The block has a SII cam in it, so that will need to be changed. I do really plan to drive it on the street daily so a more responsive engine with smaller heads sounds better. I drove my ‘71 LT1 Corvette daily, and the Duntov cam in there didn’t come on step until after 3500 rpm. Still fun to drive, just not like my old ‘66 oval port big block Vette with lots of torque all the time. The car should cert at 8.5 seconds, and both heads should get me there. Pics of the car - ‘67 Nova with ‘66 front clip going back to ‘67 clip. Weight with me should be around 3-3200lbs.
I’ll pm you guys if you don’t mind when the car is painted and wired and closer to being finished. Thanks again
Best regards.
PS Didn’t want to do the usual BBC or turbo’d LS. Needs Buick power!
Thanks for the reply and info. I had the engine advertised a few years back and can’t recall all the folks that were interested, my apologies.
Well, since I have everything for the engine to run with the ported M&As including headers and champ on center intake, this discussion has me moving back toward using them. The block has a SII cam in it, so that will need to be changed. I do really plan to drive it on the street daily so a more responsive engine with smaller heads sounds better. I drove my ‘71 LT1 Corvette daily, and the Duntov cam in there didn’t come on step until after 3500 rpm. Still fun to drive, just not like my old ‘66 oval port big block Vette with lots of torque all the time. The car should cert at 8.5 seconds, and both heads should get me there. Pics of the car - ‘67 Nova with ‘66 front clip going back to ‘67 clip. Weight with me should be around 3-3200lbs.
I’ll pm you guys if you don’t mind when the car is painted and wired and closer to being finished. Thanks again
Best regards.
PS Didn’t want to do the usual BBC or turbo’d LS. Needs Buick power!
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When using those ma heads just choose your cam and spring pressures wisely
Meaning don't go too wild those casting have been known to break.
I know that's what you have but I'm not of fan of them nor the original champion castings for 1000hp.
You can do the 1000hp on the right turbo and it can be done on a hydraulic roller as well.
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Brand new T/A castings are only ~$1300. Rocker arms ~$1500. Sell the old M&A heads and upgrade.
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What ECU and fuel are you going to use ??
MrS,
The heads came from a well known Buick guy and was told they are the 3rd casting and don’t leak. Can’t say about strength, you guys know better. Nice porting job. Could sell the heads, intake, and block, we’ll see. SII heads are Chapman ported, so big. M&As are big too.
Dynoman- no ECU yet. Sold my fast stuff years ago, will have to go new. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Beat - I’ll take a look at them. I bought the on center intake from there. I can’t recall the fellow I talked to, but knowledgeable and good to talk to. He and I talked about a cam, but would like to know CR before that.
Best regards.
The heads came from a well known Buick guy and was told they are the 3rd casting and don’t leak. Can’t say about strength, you guys know better. Nice porting job. Could sell the heads, intake, and block, we’ll see. SII heads are Chapman ported, so big. M&As are big too.
Dynoman- no ECU yet. Sold my fast stuff years ago, will have to go new. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Beat - I’ll take a look at them. I bought the on center intake from there. I can’t recall the fellow I talked to, but knowledgeable and good to talk to. He and I talked about a cam, but would like to know CR before that.
Best regards.
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I love my Holley HP with the 12.3" pro dash . If you go that route spend the extra money and get the Holley Dominator because it will be able to control a 4L80E transmission , the HP can't .
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