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Re: Cobra's...
Read: I hate Mustangs and everything about them, and as is my usual style, I'm going to attempt to put them down as best I can.
Ok Jr. Let's have some fun.
Not worthy of comment, and exactly what is to be expected from BS. Dumb statement #1.
Comparing "total prices" for a 2003 vs a 1987 is silly. Dumb statement #2.
Comparing with an almost new LS1 is a much better deal. A lightly-optioned Z or Formula was a GREAT bang-for-the-buck deal through 2002. However, make that a top-of-the-line LS1 ...ie...WS6 or SS, and the price difference becomes very small. Unfortunately, they don't exist (new) anymore.
Dumb statement #3.
Golly BS, then it must not have happened yet. I have yet to see any TR do any damage to anybody around my parts. Does that mean that they don't exist? Are they just "dyno queens"? How about your car? Have you run it yet, or is it still just an "internet queen"?
When you got beat, we'd never hear about it. Your type only crows when you are trying to impress people. Then again, a car has to actually run to get beat, but I digress.
You and your shadow have a nice day.
Bob
Read: I hate Mustangs and everything about them, and as is my usual style, I'm going to attempt to put them down as best I can.
Ok Jr. Let's have some fun.
1.For the ls1 doubters:
You have no clue. Bolt-on LS1's vs Bolt-on Cobra's are about dead even, assuming NOS for the LS1 is considered a bolt on.
Not worthy of comment, and exactly what is to be expected from BS. Dumb statement #1.
Comparing "total prices" for a 2003 vs a 1987 is silly. Dumb statement #2.
Comparing with an almost new LS1 is a much better deal. A lightly-optioned Z or Formula was a GREAT bang-for-the-buck deal through 2002. However, make that a top-of-the-line LS1 ...ie...WS6 or SS, and the price difference becomes very small. Unfortunately, they don't exist (new) anymore.
Dumb statement #3.
Golly BS, then it must not have happened yet. I have yet to see any TR do any damage to anybody around my parts. Does that mean that they don't exist? Are they just "dyno queens"? How about your car? Have you run it yet, or is it still just an "internet queen"?
The vid was nice, but man I can't wait for one of those guys to try that with me.
When you got beat, we'd never hear about it. Your type only crows when you are trying to impress people. Then again, a car has to actually run to get beat, but I digress.
You and your shadow have a nice day.
Bob
Considering that "bolt-ons" can put an '03 Cobra in the 10's, I think your definition of a "bolt-on" is pretty broad. I have more than a clue about LS1's, and you'll need at least a serious H/C package to keep pace with a pullied/chipped '03 Cobra. In addition, you'll fork over some serious bucks for exhaust, a decent clutch in M6 cars or a TC in A4's, tuning and miscellaneous supporting hardware. In general, a good running H/C M6 will run mid-11's to low-12's on tire, some a tad quicker. A4's can run a tick or two quicker and provide better consistency. Some of the more aggresive H/C cars will be a tad faster, but have diminished street manners. In any case, you'll spend at least $2500-3000 for just the H/C package, plus all the other hardware. In the end, you'll have $5-6k into making it run right. Compare that to a mid-11 second Cobra with a pulley/chip combo ($400-500), catback ($400), CAI ($150) and some sticky tires. The LS1 will need a button to run with some of the better running, modded '03 cars. Quite a few of which are already in the 10's and a few are in the 9's...after only a year.
Really? So a brand new '03 Cobra will cost about $20k more than a 15-16 year old Buick with what...at least 50k miles? Imagine that. A loaded LS1 F-body stickered for $27-28k. An SLP car (SS, WS6) stickered well north of $30k, some near $35k (non-'verts). Compared to a well-optioned LS1 F-body (Z28, Formula, TA), the Cobra offers ~60-80 more rwhp out of the box, IRS, 13.5" Brembos and many more standard options...for $5-7k more...when you could actually buy a new F-body, of course.
Using that line of thinking, maybe we should all stop modifying our cars because traction will become an issue.
So I suppose a 500+rwhp LS1 magically won't have traction issues, nor will a heavily modified TR?S.
Originally posted by 86brick
Bob Cosby, please tell me when and where is the next Ford event down here you will be attending...... I would like to meet you instead of talking to you on the 'net.....
Thanks
NO!...DON'T... he will quote you till your ears bleed.!
Let me put something on here to be picked apart before I go home this morning.
I posted a friendly street encounter yesterday and was hoping someone could explain the results to me because it's actually bugging me(in a good way I guess) that I won.
I would very much like to see a low 11 or 10 sec cobra at one of my tracks so I could pick his brain and find out why the 470ish rwhp car I ran did not run like a low, mid or even high 11 car.
I don't doubt they are out there, but not lurking at every stop light.
When someone's car doesn't run like it should it buggs me.
I looked around a bit and found out they are kinda heavy,but lots of them put down similar numbers to the dyno sheet I saw.
But then again supercharged Ls1's alot of the time don't run like the RWHP numbers would make you think they would, even with tractrion.
LS1's
If I would get off my LAZY butt and fix the tranny in my formula(my lazy azz fault it burnt in the first place,no cooler) I have NO DOUBT it won't go 11.0's with open headers, and it won't take more than 150 shot.
I don't have heads, cam tuning, weight reduction, or even a LS6 intake.
The 11.41 was the first and only 150 shot I got to use (at a track )spraying about 30ft out. I was thrown out of VMP when it was NHRA track.
For about a grand I easily ran 11.80's on a 100 shot.
NX kit,nittos, and an air box and free mods.
The 11.40 was with a little Y3000 converter and a 8.5 inch QTP.
I'm not Cobra bashing, I think they are an awsome new car and easily worth the money, compared to other new cars.
But this is not SVT.com, so don't scratch your head when people here don't embrace them.
I didn't go over there talking how I beat one.
Owning a TR is not like any other car I have owned, ( Yes more than one mustang too.)
It was like I joined a club or something and didn't know it.
Even IF the Cobra is a better car you're not going to convince 98% of the guys here.
You'r Pissing in the wind!
I posted a friendly street encounter yesterday and was hoping someone could explain the results to me because it's actually bugging me(in a good way I guess) that I won.
I would very much like to see a low 11 or 10 sec cobra at one of my tracks so I could pick his brain and find out why the 470ish rwhp car I ran did not run like a low, mid or even high 11 car.
I don't doubt they are out there, but not lurking at every stop light.
When someone's car doesn't run like it should it buggs me.
I looked around a bit and found out they are kinda heavy,but lots of them put down similar numbers to the dyno sheet I saw.
But then again supercharged Ls1's alot of the time don't run like the RWHP numbers would make you think they would, even with tractrion.
LS1's
If I would get off my LAZY butt and fix the tranny in my formula(my lazy azz fault it burnt in the first place,no cooler) I have NO DOUBT it won't go 11.0's with open headers, and it won't take more than 150 shot.
I don't have heads, cam tuning, weight reduction, or even a LS6 intake.
The 11.41 was the first and only 150 shot I got to use (at a track
)spraying about 30ft out. I was thrown out of VMP when it was NHRA track.For about a grand I easily ran 11.80's on a 100 shot.
NX kit,nittos, and an air box and free mods.
The 11.40 was with a little Y3000 converter and a 8.5 inch QTP.
I'm not Cobra bashing, I think they are an awsome new car and easily worth the money, compared to other new cars.
But this is not SVT.com, so don't scratch your head when people here don't embrace them.
I didn't go over there talking how I beat one.
Owning a TR is not like any other car I have owned, ( Yes more than one mustang too.)
It was like I joined a club or something and didn't know it.
Even IF the Cobra is a better car you're not going to convince 98% of the guys here.
You'r Pissing in the wind!
Originally posted by 86brick
Bob Cosby, please tell me when and where is the next Ford event down here you will be attending...... I would like to meet you instead of talking to you on the 'net.....
Thanks
I will be in Orlando the latter half of this coming week (business trip). In fact, plan to visit Speedworld Wed night. You close? Stop by....I'll be with a guy running a rather quick red 97 Cobra street car.
Ya, but you need to turn around and piss WITH the wind - pissing into it only gets you wetter.
And don't worry....I'm well aware of where I am and with whom I am dealing. As an FYI....I'm a BIG fan of LS1's, and am quite aware of what they are (and are not) capable of. I had a 99 T/A before my Cobra, and I can assure you that I didn't sell it because of the powerplant. I also had the opportunity to go to the North vs South Shootout in Bowling Green this past May. That was an F-body (mostly LS1) race sponsored by the folks at LS1Tech.com. So lecturing me on LS1's might be fun, and might make you feel better, but you're really preaching to the choir.
FWIW...same thing goes with TR's, though I have never owned one (yet).
Nearing....you get to MIR much? I don't particularly care for VMP, even though it is an hour closer than MIR. I intend to take the Cobra there again shortly, and hope to run in the Ford race this year in October.
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Bob..
..you an internet warrior, thats it.
In response to you idoitic quotaing and never ending BS:
1. I never implied that there were not fast cobra's out there, I just said I have yet to see one do any damage around Here!
2. As for comparing prices, I did not bring up that original point in this thread, just gave my opinion on it.
3. Why so much hostility? You can't debate without calling my comments dumbass? Maybe I should just report you to the mod's again, I feel offended.
4. As for my car, what you don't know, won't hurt you. If your around and wanna run, email me. I always have time to smack around cumstangs.
5. I also, have an LS1, I am currently modding to go cobra hunting. When that starts happening, I will have proof on video of the carneage.
..you an internet warrior, thats it.
In response to you idoitic quotaing and never ending BS:
1. I never implied that there were not fast cobra's out there, I just said I have yet to see one do any damage around Here!
2. As for comparing prices, I did not bring up that original point in this thread, just gave my opinion on it.
3. Why so much hostility? You can't debate without calling my comments dumbass? Maybe I should just report you to the mod's again, I feel offended.
4. As for my car, what you don't know, won't hurt you. If your around and wanna run, email me. I always have time to smack around cumstangs.
5. I also, have an LS1, I am currently modding to go cobra hunting. When that starts happening, I will have proof on video of the carneage.
Well hello BS. How was your evening? Can I answer your "opinions" with some of my own? Is that ok with you? If I hurt your feelings will you go call a moderator again? I'm sorry you can't take up for yourself...I really am. Anyways...
Internet warrior....yes, that is me. Never go to the track and prove my point...I only race the internet.
Pssst....the little black coupe is mine - and this is class racing - not mouth racing. If you'd like an explanation of what class racing in, let me know. I'll be glad to explain it.
Fast Cobra's - I have no doubt you've never seen any do any damage around you. Then again, your car is always dead, so how could you?
Price comparisons - No kidding? That was your opinion? Was this not obvious, as there is no way anybody would ever confuse something you said as fact.
Hostility - Moi? Contrare sir. Do you remember making these statements?
Hostility indeed. And to be clear...I called your statements dumb (and stand by my opinion). If it will make you feel any better, I will gladly substitute "lacking of substantial intelligence" for the word "dumb".
Your car - dead again? Is it running? Come on...give us an update. Last I heard it was going to run what....low 10's this winter?
Congrats on the LS1. Awesome powerplants. I'm sure you'll find a Cobra or two and you will beat them. I'm just as sure that we'll never hear of the Cobra's (or any other Mustang) that beats you. It is the way internet racer - for which you are the poster child.
Brick....so is Orlando close for you guys?
Internet warrior....yes, that is me. Never go to the track and prove my point...I only race the internet.
Pssst....the little black coupe is mine - and this is class racing - not mouth racing. If you'd like an explanation of what class racing in, let me know. I'll be glad to explain it.
Fast Cobra's - I have no doubt you've never seen any do any damage around you. Then again, your car is always dead, so how could you?
Price comparisons - No kidding? That was your opinion? Was this not obvious, as there is no way anybody would ever confuse something you said as fact.
Hostility - Moi? Contrare sir. Do you remember making these statements?
Hostility indeed. And to be clear...I called your statements dumb (and stand by my opinion). If it will make you feel any better, I will gladly substitute "lacking of substantial intelligence" for the word "dumb".
Your car - dead again? Is it running? Come on...give us an update. Last I heard it was going to run what....low 10's this winter?
Congrats on the LS1. Awesome powerplants. I'm sure you'll find a Cobra or two and you will beat them. I'm just as sure that we'll never hear of the Cobra's (or any other Mustang) that beats you. It is the way internet racer - for which you are the poster child.
Brick....so is Orlando close for you guys?
No it's not..... We are in the Fort Lauderdale area (Broward County) so it's a good 3-4 hour drive for us and there's no way with such short notice either of us could make it up there Wed night....... Next time you plan on coming down though please give us notice ahead of time (post in either the lounge or the Florida section or email us) so we can meet you at a track (Bradenton or Orlando Speedworld).......
As far as your comments to Alex (my bro) I think you ASSume too much when you make these comments about his car always being down or dead as you like to put it...... As a matter of fact his car is still running fine with the current mild combo it has (small TE-44 turbo, little ATR flat tappet cam, 12" D5 converter, etc.) but it will be coming apart for some upgrades...... He posted on hear that it ran 11.80's @118mph with not much traction (poor 60' times) and now his combo is going to change to go faster and hopefully some suspension mods will help those 60' times.....
Another thing you seem to forget is the fact that you and him had a little race setup that was supposed to be at Bradenton this past March (think it was a FFW event on the 11th) that YOU backed out of for whatever reason...... HE wanted to race you and settle this internet crap once and forever but it didn't happen so here we are!
Also, I think you should know by now that I have respect for Mustangs as well as does Alex...... If you don't think so you need to do a search on this board and you will see what I'm talking about!
I've seen many fast Mustangs down here although not many were street driven cars (there are a couple I know of that are 10 and 9 second street cars)......
Let's try to keep this civil even though it has gone off topic....
LOL. Oh. I come down from Va Beach to Orlando Florida (a good 12 hour drive), yet it's too far for you guys to come up from South Florida to Central Florida? Ok, I understand. No, no, really. The Mustang guy I'm meeting is coming up from Vero Beach - not exactly a 15 minute trip. But again, I understand. The internet is a wonderful place for posers. My condolences.
Alex's car is running? Cool. Somehow I was misguided. And he goes to the racetrack? Cool. I must have missed those posts. And he has some excuses as to why it doesn't run faster than it does, and he has you to make them for him? Cooler. Getting better by the minute.
Bradenton this past March....correct, I had every intention of being there - though I can assure you my main intentions was not to race your little "bro" BS - my main intention was to run in the NMRA's Spring Nats. Further, it would have been in the Coupe - not the Cobra. Want an excuse? Here you go: I'm active Duty USN. There are a couple of little conflicts going on right now that is keeping all of us rather busy. During the time period of the Bradenton event, I was in Nevada. Sorry I "backed out" on you guys. I can't imagine how I could have thought my duties were more important than showing up for your little "Bro" to come race me. I assume ya'll went anyways, right? Oh, and psssst.....they wouldn't have let him go down the track all weekend - its a Ford only event - I outgrew street racing when you were likely still in diapers.
No offense.
Alex's car is running? Cool. Somehow I was misguided. And he goes to the racetrack? Cool. I must have missed those posts. And he has some excuses as to why it doesn't run faster than it does, and he has you to make them for him? Cooler. Getting better by the minute.
Bradenton this past March....correct, I had every intention of being there - though I can assure you my main intentions was not to race your little "bro" BS - my main intention was to run in the NMRA's Spring Nats. Further, it would have been in the Coupe - not the Cobra. Want an excuse? Here you go: I'm active Duty USN. There are a couple of little conflicts going on right now that is keeping all of us rather busy. During the time period of the Bradenton event, I was in Nevada. Sorry I "backed out" on you guys. I can't imagine how I could have thought my duties were more important than showing up for your little "Bro" to come race me. I assume ya'll went anyways, right? Oh, and psssst.....they wouldn't have let him go down the track all weekend - its a Ford only event - I outgrew street racing when you were likely still in diapers.
No offense.
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There is no doubt the cobra's are fast but they dont impress me I know a guy with one with all the good bolt ons and a 75 shot and it made 510 at the wheels. At the track he takes out all his interior and put on 2 donuts and slicks. And the best that car has ever ran is a 7.14 in the 1/8th. Yes thats fast but where is all the power going. Thats alot of power and he is taking out weight. IM not talkin about alittle im talkin about takin out the back seat passenger seat and the mach stereo system. He has so much **** laying on the groung at the track its not even funny. And most of the time he doesnt get to drive it back home because it leaves on a roll back. The thing usually runs 7.30's all nite.
Also for those that say you need 30 grand to build a 10 second buick. I have around 15 in mine and that includes buing the car. I bought it for 5 and it is a mint WE4 there was nothin wrong with it and there still isnt anything wrong with it. It was basically stock and had some of the best looking clean no rips or tears in the interior and only has one little crack in the top of the dash. I bought alot of my parts used except the parts I had to buy new like motor parts, cam pistons, rings all that. I have stock heads that have stock valves. The heads have been ported and gasket mached and also have a 3 angle valve job. The heads only cost $360 to do all that. It has a stck block with center steel caps with a stock crank and rods with JE .30 over pistons. It has a T-62 that I bought used and got it rebuilt. I also has a turbonetics race gat that is used that got rebuilt. It has a stock lower intake with a hemco plenum and accufab 70mm throttle body. Both were bought used. The tranny is built but only cost 1100 dollars because I helped build it and has a new precision 9.5 convertor. It has a stock rear end with airbags and soon to have a ATR rear bar. I have only went to the 1/4 one time and it was humid as hell and was 91 degrees. The car ran 11.30 with 23 psi with a crappy 1.67 60 ft. So I think with the car should run a 10 with more boost, a better launch and colder air. It also has a stock computer with a PTE chip. Only thing I tune with is a scan master. Sorry for the long post but I had to put my 2 cents in. Yes 03's are fast but it doesnt take 30 G's to run a 10.
Also for those that say you need 30 grand to build a 10 second buick. I have around 15 in mine and that includes buing the car. I bought it for 5 and it is a mint WE4 there was nothin wrong with it and there still isnt anything wrong with it. It was basically stock and had some of the best looking clean no rips or tears in the interior and only has one little crack in the top of the dash. I bought alot of my parts used except the parts I had to buy new like motor parts, cam pistons, rings all that. I have stock heads that have stock valves. The heads have been ported and gasket mached and also have a 3 angle valve job. The heads only cost $360 to do all that. It has a stck block with center steel caps with a stock crank and rods with JE .30 over pistons. It has a T-62 that I bought used and got it rebuilt. I also has a turbonetics race gat that is used that got rebuilt. It has a stock lower intake with a hemco plenum and accufab 70mm throttle body. Both were bought used. The tranny is built but only cost 1100 dollars because I helped build it and has a new precision 9.5 convertor. It has a stock rear end with airbags and soon to have a ATR rear bar. I have only went to the 1/4 one time and it was humid as hell and was 91 degrees. The car ran 11.30 with 23 psi with a crappy 1.67 60 ft. So I think with the car should run a 10 with more boost, a better launch and colder air. It also has a stock computer with a PTE chip. Only thing I tune with is a scan master. Sorry for the long post but I had to put my 2 cents in. Yes 03's are fast but it doesnt take 30 G's to run a 10.
PS....I'm sure the Lounge Mods don't particular care for some of this stuff (and we don't need BS tattletaling again, now do we?). As such, perhaps this would be received in the Florida Area Forum? Perhaps one of the mods could split the thread and send our stuff down there?
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Oh yea I forgot to put that my car has 50 lbs injectors and has full interior. And when it ran an 11.30 it had almost a full tank of gas.
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See what everyone is talking about some of the 03 cobras being dyno queens.
Yep - some 03 Cobra's are dyno queens.
Some LS1's are dyno queens.
Some Supra's are dyno queens.
Some [insert car type here] are dyno queens.
Tis life - and when you have a new car that is very easy to extract very big HP numbers from, dyno numbers tend to get bantered around a lot.
Some LS1's are dyno queens.
Some Supra's are dyno queens.
Some [insert car type here] are dyno queens.
Tis life - and when you have a new car that is very easy to extract very big HP numbers from, dyno numbers tend to get bantered around a lot.
Bob, what is it with you??
I told you it was very short notice and it couldn't happen (some people have a life outside of the internet and drag racing)......
Also if you think I'm making excuses for his car not being faster that's your business, however, I would like to see a car setup like his with a basically stock suspension (only has airbags and south side LCAs and still had the front sway bar) with the same mods do better..... The MPH (118) is good for some easy 11.20's-11.30's with a 1.6-1.5 60' and it ran 118mph with 23lbs of boost (he could have pushed it a little harder but decided not to because it was his only car that he had to depend on).......
IF you ever want to meet us at a track give us some notice so we can make arrangements to be there....... Otherwise I don't see this going anywhere so no need to put it in the Florida area!
I would like to think in person you're not such an arrogant guy, but after reading that last post I have my doubts!
I told you it was very short notice and it couldn't happen (some people have a life outside of the internet and drag racing)......
Also if you think I'm making excuses for his car not being faster that's your business, however, I would like to see a car setup like his with a basically stock suspension (only has airbags and south side LCAs and still had the front sway bar) with the same mods do better..... The MPH (118) is good for some easy 11.20's-11.30's with a 1.6-1.5 60' and it ran 118mph with 23lbs of boost (he could have pushed it a little harder but decided not to because it was his only car that he had to depend on).......
IF you ever want to meet us at a track give us some notice so we can make arrangements to be there....... Otherwise I don't see this going anywhere so no need to put it in the Florida area!
I would like to think in person you're not such an arrogant guy, but after reading that last post I have my doubts!
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