Whitettype86
Young William
- Joined
- Jan 8, 2002
GUESS WHAT?!? IF YOU COULD HAVE BEEN PATIENT ENOUGH TO WAIT FOR OUR PHONE CALL....INSTEAD OF POSTING THIS GARBAGE....YOU WOULD HAVE HAD YOUR MONEY AND THEN SOME, FOR YOUR TROUBLE....BUT YOU HAD TO ACT LIKE A SPOILED LITTLE BITCH....AND I TOLD WILLIAM TO GIVE ME THE CASHIER'S CHECK, AND I CASHED IT BACK IN.....WILLIAM WAS ALL SET TO PAY YOU, BUT THEN WE CAME ACROSS THIS THREAD, AND I, YES I DECIDED YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT...peterkin said:I’ve tried to hold my tongue, but I can’t any longer. This is going to be long so bear with me. I’m going to tell you about my ordeal in dealing with William Mitchell ( whitettype86 ) buying the 4.1 he had for sale.
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189299&highlight=4.1
This is the ad he posted for the sale:
again...this is stephanie...
Have a 4.1 motor for sale,
84 casting block, hard block to lower deck, Ti putty lifter valley.
stock rolled fillet crank<-- BULL S H I Twe sold what we were told(by the engine's builder)Stock cleaned up rods with Arp bolts
billet main caps #2 and #3
RJC Girdle
Chrome oil pan
0.030 diamond forged pistons
224/224 precision roller cam
M&A III aluim Heads with 1.65 roller rockers fully ported and polished.
Stock fully ported lower intake to M&A intake
Bhj damper
Champions Billet Alternator and P.S. Pump Bracket <-- NO ALTERNATOR WE said CHAMPION"S BilletAlternator and powersteering pump BRACKET!!(no where did we say there was an alternator...that was sold seperately
J&W flywheel
$3500
Motor ran for 15mins had problems with the fast unit. <--- BULLS H I T I was present for the 15 minute run time...and yes...the FAST computer was a problem(o2 sensor was wired incorrectly/which caused a rich fuel dump)
Alright, I’m going to start with the emails that were sent and I’ll comment on those below the emails when necessary.
Initial email…. You had no right posting these emails....but i'll humor you and respond
Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:28:28
William,
I'm very interested in the motor ( 4.1 ) you have for sale on turbobuick.com. I did have a few questions though. Is the crank undercut? You stated that it's stock. Does that mean stock specs, i.e. uncut? Also, it has hardblock in it. Is it streetable at all? What would shipping be to 22309? Have you run this motor or a 4.1 before like this?
-Godfrey
His response….
Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:05:02
Crank is std no cut. Motor is streetable and u will never have to worry
about the car overheating unless u blow a headgasket or thermostat
sticks.
Shipping should be no more than $225. Motor has 15min run time and
never got
the fast program worked out and lost interest and time. Have new baby
and
house to deal with.
William
O.k., he confirmed that the crank should be standard. I opened the motor today ( 8/30 ) and the bearings are .010 on the rods with copper showing on all bearings that were pulled. I don’t know what the mains are yet. I didn’t feel like pulling the girdle apart. Engine builder informed us that crank was standard and only needed polishing...never occured to us to think otherwise
Next email from me…
Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:44:04
Oh, I did have a couple more things. I can make payment any way you like. However you want to do it. Once payment is recieved, how soon do you think you could have the motor out? I get married next Saturday ( July 1 ) and I won't be back until the 8th of July. How are you shipping it? Does it have to be delivered to a business?
His response…
Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:42:40
Motor is coming out this week, Once payment cleared
I'll send it right out by freight and it would be easier if it was
delivered to a business. Motor is complete long block with water pump and champions billet aluminum bracket, fuel injector rail and thats it. For another $300 I'll throw in a 70mm accufab throttle body with precision phelnum all polished and Rjc spacer. I"ll call u tonight.
It get’s good, I promise. Just keep reading.PAYMENT DIDN"T CLEAR FOR 11 DAYS....of course we weren't going to ship until "credit"check Godfrey sent cleared!!!
Next email from me…
Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:43:46
I've sent the money out. I've attached a PDF file that
has a copy of the confirmation reciept from the USPS.
Also, if you could keep this to yourself it would be
greatly appreciated. Also, am I getting any of the
sensors. Cam Sensor, Crank Sensor, etc? Oh, and what compression did you build this motor to?
His response…
Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:30:02
Motor is 9 to 1 compression and yes you'll get cam sensor and crank
sensor
and the sensors on the manifold.
William
MISSING A FEW EMAILS AREN"T WE GODFREY??
Next email from me…
Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:59:57
Dude...I'm really starting to get upset. You've pushed the ship date
Out twice and you haven't returned my calls nor have you given me any
status. If this were a set of valve covers it wouldn't be a big deal. I've sent you $4025.00 and you can't pick up the phone and tell me what's going on?!!?!?!? Give me a call man. Let me know something. I'm not hard to deal with, but you cannot expect me to sit by and idle while you have that much of my money. Give me a call. You will get my voicemail until Friday until I get off of this ship. I'll be monitoring my email though.
Notice that it’s been exactly two weeks. I got married, and came back from my honeymoom expecting to sneak up on some friends with a 4.1 and kick some a s s! Nope, WRONG! SORRY...WE WERE DEALING WITH (both) William's (and our 16 month old son's) blood poisoning,and extremely dangerous health issue....AND we explained this to GODFREY...I KNOW I DID PERSONALLY
His response…
WHICH WAS WRITTEN FROM OUR SON"S HOSPITAL ROOM!
Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:41:04
hey...this has been a hectic week...my girlfriends grandma died
unexpectedly,and we had funeral svcs to go to, then our realtor(finally) found us a house, and we have been busy trying to get our stuff moved in. I apologize for the delay in responding to you...but like i said, we just moved, and my girlfriend just got a phone line turned on...won't even have high speed internet until next week. Anyway...again, I am sorry man, I am not trying to blow you off or leave u in the dark...i'll call u later today.
oh....and congrats on the wedding man!
William
How about, f u c k the congrats. Where’s my s hi t! He had an excuse for everything! OH REALLY?!?**** YOU...WE WERE being sincere on the wedding congrats, and-in between the hospital-for both my fiancee and our son, and dealing with my grandmother's death, and our move across state...not too mention financial issues due to william having to miss work for medical treatment...and trying to deal with the stress of obtaining william's engine stand from where it was without a truck....or any type of activity from william, due to his condition...Next email from me…
Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:00:47
I can understand being busy. Again, like I said I am not hard to deal
with. I just needed to know what was going on. Can we work out some sort of deal on the 300 for the tb/plenum? I was kinda expecting this thing to be here when I got back so I could get my car out of storage. Now it's going to be in there longer than expected. I'm off of the cruise ship and back home. You can call me anytime.
I’m still being nice at this point! WE INFORMED YOU EVERY STEP OF THE WAY...
His response…
Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:40:24
Godfrey,
I need that address to the shop again. I lost it on the move and its
somewhere in the boxes. Sorry for the delay.I hate moving and hate
funerals
and work. Let me know so I can ship your motor out this week.
Thanks,
william
Can you guess if it shipped or not?! Would have....however you failed to give us the address again...
Next email from me…after trying to contact him since July 12th.
Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:26:25
Dude...this is really getting to be outrageous! If you
don't let me know something legal action will be
taken. I have no problem coming to Arizona to see you!
You WILL NOT take money from me, PERIOD! I asked you
nicely to keep me in the loop and you're not doing
that. I'm about tired of being nice about this! If you
didn't have the motor out and ready to go when you
posted it for sale, you never should have posted it. I
have done EVERYTHING that I said that I was going to
do. You have done nothing but cash my checks and keep
telling me the motor is coming next week for a month!
You have until the end of the week before I move
forward with legal action!
I ended up having to go to Arizona, but you’ll read about that later! NO problem for us....easier actually...
His response…
Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:07:23
Godfrey,
I know your frustrated and understand. Motor is out its been out. The
Car has been sold also and gone. I don't have any excuses. I've been busy with work and can't get things situated to ship the motor. It took me month to ship a transmission. I've been out of town since the 12th of July. I'm working on getting the motor out to u this week. I didn't know it was going to be this difficuilt but I will get the motor to u. I promise and I'm sorry for this long period and understand your fustrastion. If u like I can call u tomorrow if u like. I need your your number again.
William Mitchell
Now he tells me the muthaf uc kin’ motor has been out of the car! So it’s just sitting? Can you guess if it shipped or not?! WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO DO ANYTHING while being as ****ing sick as my fiancee was/is...
Next email from me…
Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:29:02
Is the motor on it's way yet? Would it be possible for
you to take it to Nick and have him crate it and ship
it? You've got to do something. I'm about to start
traveling again and I need to know that this thing is
on it's way. I need to know what to tell this shop
before I leave. They keep asking me if it's coming and
they have to make space for it.
His response… AFTER WE FINALLY discovered and were diagnosed with the condition...and now finally, DR's can give a better treatment....since they have the results from the lab back...
Its ready to go to the freight company. I got sick I have some kind of
bacteria called Mrsa which causes flu and allot of degusting crap on
your body that looks like flesh eating virus. And supposedly its contagious. So I've missed work intill it goes away. The motor is still at my friends house and I'm planning on shipping it from there. It only cost $220 to ship it to u. But first I have to get well. Sorry man. This really sucks. I'll call Nick tomorrow and see if he can help me out. I have a couple more parts that Nick needs to pick up. I'll let u know and sorry for all the f@$& problems.
William Mitchell
He never called Nick, I called Nick! I really didn’t give a f cuk about no disease, no dead grandmother’s, no new house problems, no new baby! Neither one of those had s hi t to do with $4000.00! That disease must have eaten his balls and his brain! **** YOUR ATTITUDE DUDE! If HE COULD HAVE DONE THINGS ANY FASTER...HE WOULD HAVE...he almost died you selfish ass!Next email from me…
Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:00:33
Get better dude! Seems you've had a rough go lately. I appreciate the update.
I already had my flight to Tucson to visit him in Phoenix! I was just waiting to leave! BULL****.....YOU WERE HERE FOR WORK....DON'T TRY TO ACT "BAD"
There is no next email from me until August 12th! I got to Tucson and had to do some work out at Ft. Huachuca. Friday night ( 8/4 ) I called and told him that I was coming to Phoenix Saturday morning!****ING LIE...HE WAS ALL FOR YOU COMING THERE, SO YOU COULD SEE FIRST HAND THE SITUATION, AND THE LOCATION OF ENGINE. THERE WAS NO "SQUIRMING" INVOLVED...QUIT TRYING TO MAKE US SOUND LIKE WE ARE CROOKS....WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD He squirmed and tried to give me the run around and say I didn’t have to come out there. He said he’d get the motor over to Nick so he could ship it and everything would be o.k.. I made it brutally clear that I was COMING TO PHOENIX! He called me back and said he could meet me at the house where the motor was on Saturday morning. I drove 3 hours from Sierra Vista, AZ to Phoenix, AZ to meet him at some house where the motor was. I get there and he isn’t even there yet. This old guy comes out and let’s me in the garage where the motor was.THAT OLD GUY STOLE YOUR THROTTLEBODY AND SOLD IT TO HIS NEIGHBOR...YOU WERE THERE WHEN HE COULDN'T EXPLAIN WHERE IT WAS WITHOUT CHECKING WITH HIS BROTHER FIRST....OH HOW QUICKLY YOU SEEM TO FORGET.. I bought the plenum/throttle body from him that he mentioned previously and asked him to leave it on the motor. BULL****....LOOK BACK AT THE EMAILS....WILLIAM SAID I WILL THROW IN THE THROTTLE BODY -FOR ANOTHER $300....WHICH WAS ALREADY OFF OF THE MOTOR... No dice, there was dust ( thick dust ) all down in the intake. The motor was covered in this orange dust like the s hi t had bee left outside or something. Anyway, he shows up about 30 minutes later.LIE..IT WAS ONLY .5 MINUTES...WE WERE JUST DOWN THE ROAD WHEN HOMEOWNER CALLED AND SAID GODFREY WAS THERE FOR US He’s going on and on about how he didn’t run the motor much and just trying to make small talk. Honestly, I wanted to crack his skull for having me come all the way out here for some this crap.IF YOU HAD SUCH A PROBLEM....WHY WEREN'T YOU MAN ENOUGH TO BRING IT UP TO US IN PERSON, INSTEAD OF ON THIS THREAD? He ended up having to call a buddy to come over to get the motor over to Nick’s house. YOU ARE SUCH A ****ING LIAR....AND I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT TO YOUR FACE....YOU ARE LUCKY THAT WILLIAM MADE ME STAY NEXT DOOR GODFREY.....STOP TALKING **** ABOUT MY MAN....YOU HAD OUR PHONE NUMBER FROM THE VERY BEGINNING....WHY WERE YOU SO AFRAID TO USE IT??BECAUSE YOU KNEW THAT THERER WAS A LIFETHREATENING SITUATION THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH, AND AT THE TIME.....YOU HAD NO PROBLEM WAITING....**GOD FORBID YOUR NEW WIFE GOT SICK***I’ve never seen someone a cu nt hair away from an as s woopin’ and still trying to be friendly. I’m telling you, that disease did a number on his brain! We get to Nick’s house and Nick agrees to ship the motor for me. Thanks Nick! Well, William couldn’t find the plenum/throttle body and promise to either find it or buy a new one and send it to me. What..the…f cuk…ever! So, the motor arrived and I still haven’t received my plenum/throttle body or the $300.00 I gave him for it. AS SOON AS WE ARE FINANCIALLY ABLE TO MAKE IT RIGHT WE WILL.....HOWEVER WE ARE A BIT BEHIND ON OUR BILLS SINCE WILLIAM WAS SO VIOLENTLY ILL(AND HAD TO MISS WORK DUE TO MEDICAL TREATMENT AND HOSPITAL)....
Next email from me…..
Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:34:53
It's been a week and I haven't heard anything from you. I really,
really don't want to have to come back to Phoenix.
His Reponse….
Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:56:28
Give me two weeks, Thats what I told u on that Saturday. The part was
Stolen to the best of my knowledge and I couldn't replace nor pay u at that moment.I told u give me two weeks and I'll either refund u the money or send the part to u. I'll contact u next Saturday.
Thanks
William
Well, it’s been more than two weeks now? This is the absolute last response that I got from him and it’s now August 30, 2006 ( my birthday )
THAT'S BECAUSE INSTEAD OF PUTTING OFF OUR RENT, LIKE WE WERE GOING TO....SO YOU'D BE TAKEN CARE OF...BUT NOW YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT PAYDAY....WHATEVER...YOU SHOULDN'T BE SO QUICK TO JUDGE SOMEONE...GODFORBID YOU SOMEDAY ARE DEATHLLY ILL, AND YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUSINESS TRANSACTION....GODFORBID YOU EVER HAVE KIDS....I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR WIFE....HOPE SHE DOEN'T REQUIRE MEDICAL ATTENTION WHILE YOU ARE WORKING ON YOUR CAR....STEPHANIE.
ALSO-GODFREY YOU SHOULD HAVE CONTACTED US PERSONALLY BEFORE POSTING ON THIS THREAD....THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ADULT WAY TO HANDLE THE SITUATION...
