Fiscus 8.28 TSO Outlaw

[S2V6RACER]

Believe me I am not taking anything away from Ted,His setup is unreal,I would'nt mind buying that setup

Thanks Otto, I really gave it a shot this year and things worked out.


I still can't get over that MPH he ran. I heard Dave didn't have it turned up either!!!

 

[TurboDiverArt]

That is totally crazy! Congrats Dave, you worked for it.

I think for me that about sums up any future TSO rules discussions. The cars are going way faster than ever before. I don't see anyone building a new car to enter TSO.

We have talked about a lot of things in the past regarding the class and trying to limit it. I think it's way too far-gone to try and limit it with parts and weight. Dave's car is running so fast why would he ever want to change it?

I've said it before but I move to change TSO to be an index class. No way to limit the power without someone having to spend a lot of money. No way to attract more racers, who would want to spend that much to maybe have a combination to try and compete? Limit the ET in an index to say 8.80 or 8.90. Dave, Ted, Tony, etc. can keep their really fast combinations and be allowed to race whatever class but when it comes to racing TSO they need to turn it down. Just a thought, I don't see any way to limit the ET and make it competitive for the class without it always turning into a select few having a distinct advantage and everyone else breaking parts to catch up.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I’d like to have a rules discussion but I just don’t see one happening for a while.

Art.

 

[III'S 87 GN]

Wow !

Way to go Dave !

Just when I thought I was gaining on you

 

[Otto J]

That is totally crazy! Congrats Dave, you worked for it.

I think for me that about sums up any future TSO rules discussions. The cars are going way faster than ever before. I don't see anyone building a new car to enter TSO.

We have talked about a lot of things in the past regarding the class and trying to limit it. I think it's way too far-gone to try and limit it with parts and weight. Dave's car is running so fast why would he ever want to change it?

I've said it before but I move to change TSO to be an index class. No way to limit the power without someone having to spend a lot of money. No way to attract more racers, who would want to spend that much to maybe have a combination to try and compete? Limit the ET in an index to say 8.80 or 8.90. Dave, Ted, Tony, etc. can keep their really fast combinations and be allowed to race whatever class but when it comes to racing TSO they need to turn it down. Just a thought, I don't see any way to limit the ET and make it competitive for the class without it always turning into a select few having a distinct advantage and everyone else breaking parts to catch up.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I’d like to have a rules discussion but I just don’t see one happening for a while.

Art.

Leave TSO alone and start an Index class for guys that want to go that style racing.
Call it TSI

 

[TurboDiverArt]

Leave TSO alone and start an Index class for guys that want to go that style racing.
Call it TSI

Just a thought, I don't think without drastic changes there will be a TSO with full car count.

Art.

 

[S2V6RACER]

I am all for a points series index class also. Maybe BG TSO can be a heads up run what you brung and the points series can be a index since we had some issues with car count this year at a couple of events and we need car count for a points series to be successful.

 

[Cheeseburger]

That is totally crazy! Congrats Dave, you worked for it.

I think for me that about sums up any future TSO rules discussions. The cars are going way faster than ever before. I don't see anyone building a new car to enter TSO.

We have talked about a lot of things in the past regarding the class and trying to limit it. I think it's way too far-gone to try and limit it with parts and weight. Dave's car is running so fast why would he ever want to change it?

I've said it before but I move to change TSO to be an index class. No way to limit the power without someone having to spend a lot of money. No way to attract more racers, who would want to spend that much to maybe have a combination to try and compete? Limit the ET in an index to say 8.80 or 8.90. Dave, Ted, Tony, etc. can keep their really fast combinations and be allowed to race whatever class but when it comes to racing TSO they need to turn it down. Just a thought, I don't see any way to limit the ET and make it competitive for the class without it always turning into a select few having a distinct advantage and everyone else breaking parts to catch up.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. I’d like to have a rules discussion but I just don’t see one happening for a while.

Art.

I think both TSO and TSM you will need to spend alot of $$$ to compete.
Congrats Dave, that's hauling!!!
Ted is right there, hard to compete with those guys!

 

[Dusty Bradford]

I think it was a GT-55/91 and he was taking a shot at 7.90's in the cool air. Boost was well north of 40 psi He was testing the limits of a converter as well and he still can't blow through it

Changing this class to index is the worst idea I've ever heard. That would eliminate any need for vendors to develop new parts, sponsorship $$$ will fall like a rock. It just slaps the guys in the face who worked their butts off to be faster.

OR if people want index I'd vote for 8.0 so everybody can step up

 

[Dusty Bradford]

Just a thought, I don't think without drastic changes there will be a TSO with full car count.

Art.

Looking back at some of the other comments while I was typing the last reply....TSO has never had a 16 car field. I'm trying to remember if it ever had an 8 car field. Fact is, guys aren't building TSO cars to compete in TSO. Most of them are building cars for themselves that just happen to fit TSO. Some of them race, some don't. You have to have a real desire to stick with the V6's with the kind of money you have to invest in them. When I looked into it I did not want to invest that kind of $$$ to run a couple races a year and run 8.50's. Most racers feel this way so your not going to see a lot of new 8 second TSO style cars popping up no matter what the rules are. Majority of the TSO racers are guys who've been in the class for years.

 

[bison]

Nice going Dave. For all those wondering RPE, PTC, and XFI :biggrin: . What a combo.

 

[gbsean]

from an "outsider" knowing Rich, Ted, Avon, Artie , Chris the bar keeps getting pushed higher...which is great for promoting V6 power...but breakage this year has been more of an issue in years past....heck before the 2008 season started I for one was hoping for a great year....to see Ted Avon and Ficus and Chris and Rich to go at it....but that is all you really have....6 guys to compete in a Race series...the way I see it is without a limit..sky is the limit...and you will keep the used to be guys out of the running....nothing against Dave or Ted for pushing the envelope...but if TSO is to continue and draw other than the 8 guys that have been in it for the last 4 years...something needs to change...just my opinion...for what it is worth

 

[Otto J]

from an "outsider" knowing Rich, Ted, Avon, Artie , Chris the bar keeps getting pushed higher...which is great for promoting V6 power...but breakage this year has been more of an issue in years past....heck before the 2008 season started I for one was hoping for a great year....to see Ted Avon and Ficus and Chris and Rich to go at it....but that is all you really have....6 guys to compete in a Race series...the way I see it is without a limit..sky is the limit...and you will keep the used to be guys out of the running....nothing against Dave or Ted for pushing the envelope...but if TSO is to continue and draw other than the 8 guys that have been in it for the last 4 years...something needs to change...just my opinion...for what it is worth

I really dont think change will add any more TSO cars,but may keep a few from jumping out of TSO

 

[Louie L.]

Iwasn't talking who won what,I which car made the best pass.
,I would'nt mind buying that setup

So you can sell it next week?

 

[Louie L.]

Dave, Congrats on the awesome pass!

 

[Otto J]

So you can sell it next week?

No peehole,So I can put it in tha heap in my garage:biggrin:

 

[blue-t]

whats that saying he who has the most $$$$$$$$ wins:biggrin:

 

[BlownV6]

I was there!! May have been something to do with the blue bottle that was in the trunk!!! Way to shake Em up Dave!!! Mike

 

[S2V6RACER]

Nice going Dave. For all those wondering RPE, PTC, and XFI :biggrin: . What a combo.

I missed that one. I should have got to that one first!!!


Blue bottle? Dave I can show you some better places to hide it than there!!!!

 

[Sam Colalillo]

please tell us what makes this an Outlaw pass? Was it the weight of the car or was Dave using a bigger turbo??

I heard the car had a new driver, David Clayton Fiscus!!!!!! He is pretty good wheel man and super quick on the tree. Awfully young though.

Nice Job.

 

[HighPSI]

...but breakage this year has been more of an issue in years past....

There were at least 5 guys running quicker than your proposed 8.80 index: Ted A, Dave F, Tony G, Avon T, and Chris L. As far as I know, Chris is the only guy who broke because he pushed his car. Dave broke a timing belt, but it had nothing to do with how fast he was going.