Front Mount Intercooler?

[JCotton]

Ted,

I've run in the 9.50's @143 plus with poor 60fts, and plenty of boost left to put into it. Oh ya, and that was at the track, thats where I do my testing as the sound of my motor and exhaust is much too loud to confine it to a tunnel. Kinda like testing on a dyno, good for a baseline, but reality occurs at the track.

 

[86brick]

My .02

I doubt there is much if any performance difference between the PTE, CAS, and JC front mount intercooler so IMO buy which ever one you like for whatever reason whether it be price, availability (CAS is beat hands down by PTE and Jack and that is proven), how well it fits, looks, and/or how easy the installation is.... From what I've seen nobody has published any real results as to which one is better in terms of performance so how can anybody say which is the best

 

[GNSCOTT]

amen

 

[JCotton]

well said 86buick, no agenda there!!!!

 

[NJTurbo]

I have never seen so much on an intercooler. I see it this way, if you are running 10's and lower you have 3 choices. CAS and wait forever to get it. Jack nice guy will have right away very close to CAS, and PTE good price good unit. Who cares who took who's idea, if it works and the price is right buy it. Jack's and PTE are proven pieces. CAS also good unit however service from what i have heard needs a cleaning. Just my 2 cents. Hey Jack XMAS coming, maybe Santa will make some more intercoolers in your Garage more coolers less price.

 

[S2V6RACER]

Jack, I was asking spoolinup what times he runs.

I do agree with your logic. I'm kinda the same way, I just know that if you are putting some HP down to the track, I can respect your word more than I respect somebody with all the reasons why something should work, but does not actually make it reality. Talk is talk, but that's not what lights up the clock at the end of the quarter mile IMHO.

I think what was said above by 86brick sums it up. All three of the intercoolers are sufficient. Availability, price, fit, most of all loyalty to a specific vendor is what will make a good decision.

 

[Two Lane]

And You Get One Guess

If anyone really digs being abused/ignored/disrespected
AND wanted an intercooler, there is a clearcut and time-tested
#1 choice in that category.

 

[NJTurbo]

Time for new thread

 

[JCotton]

sorry Ted,

Guess I'm a little self centerted sometimes. I scratched my head when I saw your question, thought it was odd, cause I figured you had a good idea what I am capable of running. By the way, the DS loop I use has good clearance, fits right in tight to the tunnel, let me know if you want one.

 

[86brick]

Ted, you brought up a good point about "loyalty to a specific vendor" cause it seems that Spoolinup is very loyal and happy with his CAS intercooler, but he has no real results that make the CAS FM intercoolers any better than Jack's and PTE's.... The only point that Spoolinup made IMO is that he has a CAS FM and likes it a lot cause he has NO real facts to back his claims up.... I have no problem with anybody who has loyalty to a specific vendor cause if somebody does you right or you like their product it makes all the sense to say they have good products or give them good praise, but saying something is the best without a reliable comparison doesn't make sense IMO!!!

 

[NJTurbo]

I am adding one more thing, then i am out here. Jack is a great guy, He shows up at all the NJ events, always has time to talk to you even if you have not bought a screw from him. If you own a TR in his eyes you are a friend, his car rocks and runs awesome. I think the vendor relationship is from the old school era that is valued in my eyes. Jack was nice enough to comment my wife as she was wearing a orange shirt to match his car. First time i have met him. Thumps up to Jack and his products. For the record Patrick very nice and helpful at PTE.

 

[Mike Licht]

I had a PTE on my car, ran very good. Switched to a V1 car ran the same. Tried 2.5" and 3" pipes on the car and dyno, about the same. Best combo was 2.5" inlet with 3" outlet, BUT and I stress, the margin of error in all these tests was bigger than the results. I have never used Jacks intercooler but I know Jack and I am sure he did his homework on what to use and we have seen the results, on a car, at the track. The end of this story is unles you have a 9 second or better car IMO you will not see any difference here. Buy what you like and feel comfortable with. They all work about the same on a 10 sec or slower car.
Mike Licht

 

[Intercooler]

Back to the real reason for his post I think you can see through these posts that the difference is null so just keep your PTE like I said in the beginning.

 

[V8KILLR@msn.com]

Although I must say 1st, I’m very sorry for being a “Hot Head”, and “Potty Mouth” person, I just love my car and go off the deep end a little some times. I will try in the future to restrain myself.

Having that said, the reason why I’m going with Jacks, as I’ve said before is for the better cooling and because I know he does good work!!!! As stated by so many, the performance gain on a 10 sec car with any of these IC is not going to vary that much. But the cooling is.

This will be my last post on this topic; thanks again to every one for there help!!!

Jason

 

[5.0 THIS]

I put a Ford PowerStroke Turbo Intercooler on my car and love it. I don't see how you could put a larger intercooler in these cars.

Chris

 

[GNSCOTT]

Chris, i looked into putting the powerstroke IC in my car a couple years back but decided against it for 2 main reasons.

1. You had to cut up the rad. support from plumbing
2. The way the inlets and outlets are, the air has to take 2 extremely sharp turns during the flow.

I don't know if the IC has changed, just seemed to me that the flow is being hampered too much .

 

[J Banning]

GNSCOTT: I'd say you're right on both points...

1. You had to cut up the rad. support from plumbing
Yes you do. You also have to trim the header pannel and bumper supports. It is NOT a bolt in IC.

2. The way the inlets and outlets are, the air has to take 2 extremely sharp turns during the flow.
The inlets/outlets may not be in the optimum locations/angles, but then again has anyone looked at the ATR frontmount?


Although I've done it myself, and am happy with the results, I haven't recommended it to many people that have asked because of the fabrication and time involved. If you have a nice clean car, save the money and buy a frontmount from the big 3 (Precision, CAS, Cottons). They will bolt in, and ultimately will offer more preformance than the Ford IC.

If you don't have a super clean car (like me), like tinkering, and are on a super tight budget (again, like me) you can try it if you want.

As far as performance goes, I don't have flow numbers nor can I tell you how much pressure drop I have, but I can tell you that compared to my stock IC I'm able to run AT LEAST 3psi more boost on pump gas. To date I have gone a 11.38 with this intercooler, and unless I grenade the motor I'll take it into the 10's before the season is out.

One last thing... I've got roughly $325 in the whole deal (shipping, hoses, pipes, clamps, etc.)

Later,
-Banning.

 

[Russ Merritt]

325$ is Awesome!!! Nice work! Now, put the MAT in the uppipe and lets have some info on that "cheapie" FM. Should be a piece of cake compared to installing it. You said you like tinkering, lets see how she does.

 

[REDS HOT AIR]

i guess i'll be the first to go 130+ with a p/s intercooler

hopefully some good et's and mph #'s coming soon

 

[J Banning]

Yeah RED!!!

-B