Not sure about the springs that came on the car, so I put the springs on that came off my 87 TR. The TR never bottomed out but I'm sure the springs are kind of worn. Shocks are Monro Sensa Trac (I think thats what they are called). Shocks are only about 3 years old. I have nothing against buying new springs but I would really like to know what's been hitting. FWIW, I measured the springs that I took off and they are 14.75" tall. This agrees with the height of the stock replacement Moog 5379. The springs I put in are 15.25" tall. After installation, the car continues to sit at 27", measured from ground to bottom of gnx flare. They are the regular springs, not the cargo springs. I have 245/50/16 tires (gnx size) with Kirban's wheels.