help me pick a turbo

[87-TURBO-T]

stock long block, cometics, arp head studs. 60# injectors, art carr 3200 non-lu, atr external gate dp, alky control, pte front mount. looking to run high 10's if possible. cant afford a bb turbo. thanks

 

[HUMBLE-U2]

with youre setup a billet pte 6262e will get you in the 10,s. talk to ruquiknf patrick at pte he,s the man.went from a te 44 on my car w/ 60lbers and alky and love it.and a merry x-mas to ya and youre family.

 

[wickedtt]

Why are you looking to change turbo's is your te44 shot? I have one for sale just posted in the for sale section GT6152S should work with your combo if your interested..

 

[Godzilla]

Not a better Turbo then a 44 on the streey in my opinion.Add the Alky.I love my TE-44 buy I want to change the Garret Housing to a PTE .63 Housing.It ran a little better with the PTE Housing.I was able to get more traction.:biggrin:

 

[Godzilla]

Almost every time I went with a bigger Turbo I was disapointed.Take into consideration my car is only driven on the street,If it can go 11.5's in the quarter mile thats a fast ass street car.Yeah getting into the mid 10's is awesome but those big Turbo's on the street just are not as fun unless you use 108 Octane gas.Not to mention a 3400-3800 converter.I know the new BB Turbo's are different.Im not familiar with them just yet.

 

[wickedtt]

The Te44 is a good turbo no doubt but its old tech , the new tech turbo's spool as fast but make more horse power... I myself hate to upgrade twice, I like to get it right the first time if possible. He is looking to run high 10's and has the converter and the injectors that are perfect for the 6152S...6152S is a proven low 11's to high 10 sec. turbo and that's on 93 octane and Alky.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

stock long block, cometics, arp head studs. 60# injectors, art carr 3200 non-lu, atr external gate dp, alky control, pte front mount. looking to run high 10's if possible. cant afford a bb turbo. thanks

White regal in my sig... With the ta61 and 23psi it was running consistant 11.2 at 121 plus.

I sold the ta61 and went with the te64 .. that is not the 66 millimeter turbo like the te45a. The 66 would be too much for stock heads.

My heads have never been off on my white limited in the sig.

So, i opted for the 64 since the 63 is a small shaft turbo, and the 64 comes up fairly good with a 3600 stall. There is a fine point when you have too large of a turbo for the small stock heads, i did alot of looking and talking with friends, 66 is too large for stock heads, you will have to run alot of boost to make it work.

I do have the stock longblock too, so thats what i opted for, not too small like the 61, and not too large like the 66.

If you go ball bearing, then blow the heads, then you will be porting the heads and getting a larger turbo anyway.

My blue limited, 60s, te46a (66mm) .85 housing,2004r , 3500 stall, .020 over and a 214 cam. Blows the drag radials in any gear at 22psi .

HTH
BW

 

[wickedtt]

White regal in my sig... With the ta61 and 23psi it was running consistant 11.2 at 121 plus.

I sold the ta61 and went with the te64 .. that is not the 66 millimeter turbo like the te45a. The 66 would be too much for stock heads.

My heads have never been off on my white limited in the sig.

So, i opted for the 64 since the 63 is a small shaft turbo, and the 64 comes up fairly good with a 3600 stall. There is a fine point when you have too large of a turbo for the small stock heads, i did alot of looking and talking with friends, 66 is too large for stock heads, you will have to run alot of boost to make it work.

I do have the stock longblock too, so thats what i opted for, not too small like the 61, and not too large like the 66.

If you go ball bearing, then blow the heads, then you will be porting the heads and getting a larger turbo anyway.

My blue limited, 60s, te46a (66mm) .85 housing,2004r , 3500 stall, .020 over and a 214 cam. Blows the drag radials in any gear at 22psi .

HTH
BW

Sounds like you got the combo's right on each of your car's plus the proper tune, what torque converters are you using?

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

The white car has a bruce toelle 9/11 lockup convertor and a stock trans.
The blue car has a single disc lockup pink precision convertor, built trans.

I put about 30K on a 9/11 with stock turbo on my silver daily driver, ended up hurting the trans, but it was sweet to have boost off idle. No lag was the best to catch the next guy off guard at a stop light.

44's were nice, but no way id go smaller than a 61 anymore since i would be buying a convertor anyway.
My 66 and the precision is lightning fast on spoolup, actually faster than a stock turbo and convertor.

BW

 

[Godzilla]

I got Race Heads,stock cam,front mount intercooler and alot of the Buick Turbo shop guy's tell me that my 44 is to small for what I have.I could use an extra 30-40 Horsepower without it sacrificing the bottom end power.Alot of guy's reccomend the 61 Turbo but the 6152 or 6161 should work fine

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

I got Race Heads,stock cam,front mount intercooler and alot of the Buick Turbo shop guy's tell me that my 44 is to small for what I have.I could use an extra 30-40 Horsepower without it sacrificing the bottom end power.Alot of guy's reccomend the 61 Turbo but the 6152 or 6161 should work fine

1987 Buick T-Type,ESP Front Mount Intercooler,ESP CNC Ported Race Iron Heads With Matching Ported Intake Manifold,Stock Block And Cam,104,500 miles,009 Injector's,Jay Carter 93 Chip,Te-44 Turbo,3.73 Gear's,28 Inch Tall BFG Drag Radial's, Scanmaster 2,Walbro 340 Fuel Pump,Factory D-5 Restalled Converter.Don't Have A Timeslip Yet.

I dont see methanol or alky listed in your sig.

Since you are limited on the restalled D5, id keep that 44 for now, get your rear suspension figured out. Just wait out till something may go wrong with the turbo or the motor.. If its working fine, that 44 is good for 117mph or there about, depends on how heavy the car is. I was running low 11s with one in a full weight limited

If you plan to hit the track, get a chip to match for racing it.

Id just set the car up for as much boost and timing you can get away with, and set the tune for that, i did that with my daily for 10 years and it ran great.

BW

 

[Godzilla]

My car is a Limited.its got the leather seats,moonroof,power seats.I don't like the shifter up above the steering wheel though.Its hard to shift up there.Yeah Alky Injection is next mod.I don't know if I want to fool with a new converter.Its not fun unless the car is getting that traction.It doesn't get instant boost but from a stop and then powerbraking it,lets just say the car feels lkike it has a 502 in it when I leave with 7lbs of boost.It turns sideways when it shifts arond 50 mph but thats because I put the faster spooling Garret housing on instead of leaving the Precision .63 housing on.Other then that the motor burns no oil and I have never really beaten like most guys beat the helll out of there Turbo Buicks.

 

[RUQWKNF]

stock long block, cometics, arp head studs. 60# injectors, art carr 3200 non-lu, atr external gate dp, alky control, pte front mount. looking to run high 10's if possible. cant afford a bb turbo. thanks

With that setup, I would suggest either a 6262S turbo, or a 6765S. Both having our latest CEA billet compressor wheel technology. The 6262S would be more streetable with your converter and still have high 10 second capability if pushed hard. The 6765S would have mid 10 second capability but not be as responsive down low. It would need slightly more stall to get moving in journal bearing form. The biggest thing you have working against you is stock heads. This means you will need to run the boost higher in order to reach high 10's. With this combo that 6262S would need to be pushed to 28-30psi and launched as hard as possible, with as much boost as traction will allow, in order to reach high 10's.

So, my "Kill Mode" tune on this combo with the 6262S turbo would be, 28-29psi on pure VP C-16 race gas, Autolite #23 plugs gaped at a tight .032 gap, TT chip with 26* timing in all gears, fuel pressure at 46psi vacuum hose off, making sure WOT fuel pressure was a steady 75psi. I would fine tune the fuel curve with the TT chip. Launch off the e-brake / foot brake combo for 15psi launches on either MT ET Drag 28x10.5 slicks or 28x12.5 MT ET Streets. Auto shift 1-2 and manually shift 2-3 at 5800-5900. Watching for zero detonation on the Scanmaster at the top of 3rd gear. Lifting if detonation exceeded more than 3 degrees.

With the 6765S turbo, you could run slightly less boost (25-27psi) to run the number, however, you would need more stall on your converter to spool it hard enough to launch with high boost. Approximately 3500-3600, it being an Art Carr 9" non l/u.

Anything smaller than a 62mm compressor wheel on this combo, would have a tough time running into the high 10's reliably on a stock heads, stock intake, stock cam full weight Buick.
HTH

Patrick

 

[vacuum 6]

TE60 with lots of boost.