MSD boost timing master or alky

[87bigcut]

Can the MSD boost timing master retard be hooked up to a gn to retard the timing as boost rises to run more boost?

Thanks,
Joe

Also, How fast does alky run out on a street car if your running 22-24 lbs of boost? This is just cruising with the occasional WOT run for 10 seconds maybe 10 times a night. Will a small 5 gallon fuel cell be enough for a night. Alky looks expensive, but still cheaper than race gas.

thanks,
Joe

 

[bruce]

Originally posted by 87bigcut
Can the MSD boost timing master retard be hooked up to a gn to retard the timing as boost rises to run more boost?

It's easier to run a chip with the right amount of timing in it.
Or you'd be much further ahead to put that money towards a Transplator Plus, IMO.

 

[salvageV6]

10 seconds and 10 runs a night at 25psi. you could probably get away with a 1 gallon tank available with most kits, or DIY.

 

[87bigcut]

are we talking with methanol, alcohol, or washer fluid, or a alky/water mix? How would I build the rest of my combo to be able to run about 24 lbs of boost? ta49 turbo with 50 lb injectors, stock cam, stock intercooler w/duttweiler neck and free flowing exhaust, downpipe, crossover pipe with stock manifolds?

thanks,
Joe

 

[HellOnWheels]

Originally posted by 87bigcut
are we talking with methanol, alcohol, or washer fluid, or a alky/water mix? How would I build the rest of my combo to be able to run about 24 lbs of boost? ta49 turbo with 50 lb injectors, stock cam, stock intercooler w/duttweiler neck and free flowing exhaust, downpipe, crossover pipe with stock manifolds?

thanks,
Joe

Just today I tired the WalMart washer fluid containing ? amount of Methanol and did a wot burst from second gear and the car nosed over really big time, rolling slowly into the throttle produced smooth results.

I just bought 5 gallons of Meth for $10. so at that price it's strictly the good stuff from here on out, no mo windsheild fluid, water, alchy, mixes, or whatever....

Per Julio Don (www.alkycontrol) tune engine to whatever boost that produces NO knock retard, THEN add the alky/methanol/and tune up boost from there.

Good luck,
HOW

 

[87bigcut]

How do you turn off the alky for daily driver usage? I want to just turn the alky on and the boost up for the weekends at the track and stuff, but keep the boost at max w/o knock on the street 93 octane. also from other people's experiences if they bring their car on the street with the alky hooked up how much do you use. I am a college student so using 20 dollars a weekend in alky isnt really practical.

Later,
Joe

 

[HellOnWheels]

Originally posted by 87bigcut
How do you turn off the alky for daily driver usage? I want to just turn the alky on and the boost up for the weekends at the track and stuff, but keep the boost at max w/o knock on the street 93 octane. also from other people's experiences if they bring their car on the street with the alky hooked up how much do you use. I am a college student so using 20 dollars a weekend in alky isnt really practical.

Later,
Joe

Joe,

Don't turn it off! or at least I don't. The PAC unit comes on only when needed (settable). I fully expect you could go out and play the whole weekend and still have plenty left for the next week. You'll be surprised just how far a gallon will go.

If you must turn if off then do so by turning a knob to off :>)

HOW

 

[salvageV6]

I NEVER shut the alky. off.

Back the boost from max. track passes maybe 2 psi. usually 1.

I sometimes add +2 degrees timing so that gets cut back to typical alky. chip timing for the street.

Fast always on pump gas.

I check my tanks every sat., usually half down on a HALF gallon tank, daily driven cars.

Quart a week at most for me.

You can control the boost with your foot as well.

Only is active over 10 psi. or so with most peoples setups.

Most don't flow a lot until you hit over 20psi. with them then you need more alky.

You can't do that often in a daily driven car, at least not around here anyway, on ramps and passing on the highway come to mind.

One good tune all the time is a great thing for a daily driven car, alky. easily achieves those goals.

Just my .02.

How's $5 a week sound?

 

[Razor]

Simple formula.. rule of thumb.. you will consume approx 6-8 ounces per 1/4 mile pass.

You have a gallon, should last you 15-20 passes approx. Some a little more, some less. Tho I wouldnt race a car with a tank getting low.

You can consume a gallon in 10 minutes.. others can consume a gallon in a month. Just depends on driving habits.

Its like "How long do tires last"?.. if you mount them.. do a burnout.. a few minutes latter theyre on threads. If you drive them normally.. a real long time.

I had a customer go through a gallon of methanol in 10 minutes.

HTH

 

[87bigcut]

im sure I would go through a 5 gallon pail in about 2 weeks right after i got the kit haha. Hitting that loud pedal is a little more fun when you know if the thing had wings it would fly.

Can i get any books or articles on methanol injection? is ethanol cheaper and just as good to 25 lbs? thanks, Joe

 

[Razor]

Originally posted by 87bigcut
Can i get any books or articles on methanol injection? is ethanol cheaper and just as good to 25 lbs? thanks, Joe

My site has a Faq's section, there is a lot of info on the net, pretty much everything that applies to water injection applies with some minor twists.

There will be a nice article coming out in Modified in two months.. probably Nov issue.

I'll have a bunch of stuff added to the alky section next week. We did 12 dyno pulls to Cal Hartlines car last nite on alky.. no IC

Just need to figure a way of showing the dyno graps, air temp readings after turbo.. after throttle body showing the differences.. needless to say.. the stuff flat out works.

PS.. guess what made more power mix or straight?

hehe

 

[87bigcut]

I read somewhere that methanol will make a white powder residue when it makes contact with aluminum is that true? Also I heard the methanol should be removed when not in use for some reason and the whole system flushed out and kept clean? Thanks,
Joe

 

[Razor]

All true when used as a fuel.

Not true when used as a supplental injection since there is no contact with any parts. See if you spray it into the motor at high boost.. it gets consumed instantly with zero residue of any kind.

The only issue is that the pump, lines, fittings, etc of the alky kit.. have to be compatible..else your statement would be the case. Hence why you cannot use aluminum/steel fittings, or aluminum tanks when an alky kit. Brass and stainless are compatible metals.

I'll give a quick example, ever sprayed brake cleaner on your hand.. it disappears almost instantly. Alcohol does the same thing.

You dont spray alcohol all the time, only when the motor gets but into boost.

Make sense?

 

[87bigcut]

Makes a lot of sense Razor.....So if I did run out of Alky I could make it home ok just baby it right. dont bring the boost above 10 PSI?

Thanks,
Joe

 

[Razor]

The car will run the boost levels it runs without alky. In other words, if your car can do 16 PSI no alky.. you run out.. you run 16 PSI ..

No need to baby it.. just dont put the car at 27 PSI if the alky tank is on empty.

It is rare for anyone running one of these kits to run out. Its almost like running out of gas or oil.

 

[87bigcut]

Thanks again Razor

Now all I need to do is find a 86-87 GN motor to drop in my car. Alky injection sounds awesome. Thanks, Joe

oh and how much boost can JE pistons take with stock rods and Crank ?

Thanks,
Joe

 

[Razor]

Originally posted by 87bigcut


ohh and how much boost can JE pistons take with stock rods and Crank ?

Thanks,
Joe

Hell the stock pistons can take a lot.. way past 30 PSI as long as you dont detonate it.

 

[87bigcut]

What pistons should I use in a rebuild then....Those JE;s are very expensive....any ideas,

Joe

 

[Razor]

If you absolutely must bore the block, the TRW's will get the job done.