Nascar & efi...

[Chuck Leeper]

NASCAR to Join 20th Century, Add Fuel Injection for 2012 Season - FoxNews.com

This ought to be good to watch!!:biggrin:

 

[TurboDave]

Great idea! Now if NHRA would just do the same for the Pro Stock class!

 

[Warp6]

The article says they're tamper proof. Does that mean the teams can't do their own tuning?

 

[TR Custom Parts]

Carb guys are hurling themselves off roofs as we speak.

It really makes sense if you think about it. When was the last production car with a carb made?? Think they should be able to tweak them though.:wink:


Bet a lot of guys on here have never even owned a car with a carburetor on it. I know I don't miss having one. Fond memories of sticking float on Holleys.

 

[novaderrik]

The article says they're tamper proof. Does that mean the teams can't do their own tuning?

it means that the teams will build their engines however they want within a certain framework (max bore size, max compression ratio, flat tappet cam, etc) and run wiring to hook up to an ecm that will be issued by NASCAR at the track, similar to what they do with the restrictor plates now.
last i read about this a couple of months ago, they were looking at different systems to run, but were leaning towards a throttle body setup that uses the existing intake manifolds.

some of the NHRA Pro Stock teams have been trying to get efi in that for over a decade now- i remember Warren Johnson talking about testing he had done in the late 90's when he was running a Cavalier and saying how much better and stocker the cars looked and how much better they handled at speed without that huge fugly scoop on the hood. one of his points was that the teams were spending as much on tweaking those big Dominator carbs as they'd spend building and tweaking a good efi system, so the official NHRA stance that they kept the carb to reduce costs was a sham.

 

[toofastforyou]

Carb guys are hurling themselves off roofs as we speak.
It really makes sense if you think about it. When was the last production car with a carb made?? Think they should be able to tweak them though.:wink:

Carburetors are a thing of the past and it's about time they made it mandatory. I never understood why Nascar never implanted efi sooner. Heck, this is 2011!... They're supposed to represent the latest in stock car racing...and the racers still rely on old, if not "ancient" technology.
One other thing I hate about Nascar racing is that they force all cars to have the same shaped bodies, allowing only some fake stick-on headlamp and taillight stickers to differentiate them. ...Back in the old days, the cars really were models that the general public could buy in a dealer's showroom, but not anymore. If a certain manufacturers' car wasn't as aerodynamic as a competitor's, well, that was too bad and you had to live with that.:frown:. Also, it creates some phoney cars that do not even exist!! When was the last time you saw a 2 door Ford Fusion on the road, or a V-8 Toyota Camry ?? Try to do that with NHRA, especially in "stock" and "super stock" classes in which you're required to use the car's original body and most of it's correct trim pieces, mouldings, nameplates, interior, and correct engine combinations for the car's model year!
It's the main reason why I lost interest in Nascar racing for a long time. They're cars that, like I said "do not even exist", powered by a technology of another era. Thanks, but not for me...

Claude. :frown:

 

[TR Custom Parts]

And maybe they should correct the headline to 21st Century, DOH.:smile:

Going to give NASCAR another try this year. Haven't followed it as much since DE died. If Jimmy Johnson wins the Daytona 500 I am out.

 

[SS/GN]

Carbs are a thing of the past but still fast:wink:.John Lingenfelter said their is no HP advantage at WOT carb vs Injection.The injection has better driveability.HMMM my dad had a 69 chevelle SS 396 stick and drove it in the winter in CanadaTodays drivers tend to be ....well *****'sEverything has to be perfectNascar has been on a slow sliding death since the car of never never land came out and all the political correctnes,I don't think Dale Earnhardt would fit in todays Nascar.They are trying to get the car enthusiast back in the standsMy favorite line is it is cheat proof


Kevin

 

[1dollardog]

I can remember this debate popping up as early as the late '80's or early '90's. Even then everyone knew that efi was here to stay and they should have implemented it then. What was actually the last production vehicle to come with a carb? Monte SS maybe?

 

[SS/GN]

One other thing I hate about Nascar racing is that they force all cars to have the same shaped bodies, allowing only some fake stick-on headlamp and taillight stickers to differentiate them. ...Back in the old days, the cars really were models that the general public could buy in a dealer's showroom, but not anymore. If a certain manufacturers' car wasn't as aerodynamic as a competitor's, well, that was too bad and you had to live with that.. Also, it creates some phoney cars that do not even exist!! When was the last time you saw a 2 door Ford Fusion on the road, or a V-8 Toyota Camry ?? Try to do that with NHRA, especially in "stock" and "super stock" classes in which you're required to use the car's original body and most of it's correct trim pieces, mouldings, nameplates, interior, and correct engine combinations for the car's model year!
It's the main reason why I lost interest in Nascar racing for a long time. They're cars that, like I said "do not even exist", powered by a technology of another era. Thanks, but not for me...

Claude.
I too share this,have you ever seen a Toyota with a push rod motor.Nascar should be called IROC all the cars are the same.I like in the last 10 laps when all the spotters are making'Deals"
Is this racingNascar has become politically correct,if someone works hard and finds HP you have to handicap them so everyone is equalI don't think they will find 10 mph with EFI but a whole new Pandoras boxI fall asleep watching Nascar and usually miss the BIG wreck

Kevin

 

[NASSTY]

I fall asleep watching Nascar and usually miss the BIG wreck

Kevin

That's why I call it Napcar.
FWIW, I was a huge Nascar fan back in the day.It started sucking about the same time that Ford went from the T-bird to the Taurus and it keeps getting progressively worse.

 

[1 RARE T]

I really don't understand why they will not let the teams tune their own systems. Might as well go to crate motors.

The system is a port injection with a throttle body. It's going to have lots of issues I predict.

 

[SS/GN]

Take a bunch of hot wheel throw them in the toilet and flushNascar same illusion

Kevin

 

[LSJM1]

I really don't understand why they will not let the teams tune their own systems. Might as well go to crate motors.

The system is a port injection with a throttle body. It's going to have lots of issues I predict.

Thats the next step nascar will take control of the motors and they will all have the same HP no more crying about toyota has more HP than the ford or chevy

 

[ijames]

I really don't understand why they will not let the teams tune their own systems. Might as well go to crate motors.

The system is a port injection with a throttle body. It's going to have lots of issues I predict.

They are terrified of teams adding traction control. There is a 65 page 960 post 50000 view thread still going over at Speed Talk: Interviews - Racing Books - Racing Forum if you want to read all sides of the carb-FI debate. Lots of opinions and he-said/she-said but very few actual facts and comparisons; Why are carbs still use in racing if F.I. is so much better • Speed Talk.

 

[INEEDAGN]

Forget EFI, last I knew they were still racing cars with TRUCK ARM rear suspensions!!! Unless that went away with the car of tomorrow, they are racing with the same 3 link rear suspension technology that was last seen in a 71 chevy pickup. AND, they could easily find ways around restrictor plate racing but what fun would that be?

Nascar has made some huge mistakes lately. They are heading for a nose dive. No one wants to see perfectly matched cars handed out by nascar. I quit watching when all the "mystery cautions" started appearing with out them ever showing debris, trying to help "someone" out. You think I'm crazy? My parents were at the track in KC (they own 2 seats), they listen to the officials channel on their headset scanners. It came over the scanners, they told an official to drive out to the backstretch, get out of the truck, bend over and pretend to pick something up. Guess who was about to go a lap down?

It's not real racing anymore. Truthfully, after I read Smokey Yunick's autobiography, telling the truth about the REAL history of nascar, I can't believe I ever watched it. I see it as garbage now.

 

[83turbomon]

Carb guys are hurling themselves off roofs as we speak.

It really makes sense if you think about it. When was the last production car with a carb made?? Think they should be able to tweak them though.:wink:


Bet a lot of guys on here have never even owned a car with a carburetor on it. I know I don't miss having one. Fond memories of sticking float on Holleys.

ahem, theres a whole section of guys on this board that use carbs, and yes my edelbrock does stick every once in awhile. I just jam my thumb in it and viola. I like the tunability of carbs, but the gas mileage of FI cars.

 

[88 CuttyClassic]

thats pretty weak some of you GN guys are so stuck in ur lil turbo efi world. you're as bad as the lsx guys.. i think carbs are cool as is efi. i love the feel of two extra carbs opening up when i mash it in my road runner just as you guys feel when the boost kicks in.

 

[novaderrik]

Forget EFI, last I knew they were still racing cars with TRUCK ARM rear suspensions!!! Unless that went away with the car of tomorrow, they are racing with the same 3 link rear suspension technology that was last seen in a 71 chevy pickup. AND, they could easily find ways around restrictor plate racing but what fun would that be?

Nascar has made some huge mistakes lately. They are heading for a nose dive. No one wants to see perfectly matched cars handed out by nascar. I quit watching when all the "mystery cautions" started appearing with out them ever showing debris, trying to help "someone" out. You think I'm crazy? My parents were at the track in KC (they own 2 seats), they listen to the officials channel on their headset scanners. It came over the scanners, they told an official to drive out to the backstretch, get out of the truck, bend over and pretend to pick something up. Guess who was about to go a lap down?

It's not real racing anymore. Truthfully, after I read Smokey Yunick's autobiography, telling the truth about the REAL history of nascar, I can't believe I ever watched it. I see it as garbage now.

they use the truck arm rear suspension because it's simple, cheap, and it flat out works. it might not be the ultimate setup these days, but it is effective..

 

[SGRIM]

About time... What will happen to restrictor plate tracks now