Yeh, your right, I'm lookin to meet the bro's, but my GN is a definite FEMALE! She's taught me that several times, and I've learned to listen! By the way, I'm traveling by myself and have no idea how to get there, I'll be doing the mapquest thing. I assume its about a 3 to 4 hour drive to get there, so is it firm that your'e all leaving for the other place by 8 am? LMK, thanks, Ron