New motor with bottom end noise

[ryan319]

The crank throws definently look damaged to me-maybe the offshore Chinese crank started to come apart causing a vibration destroying the bearings-one theory! Maybe the structural integrity of the crank should be exaimed?

I thought it was a stock crank?

 

[turbobuick]

Is there a reason this guy cant speak for himself?

 

[BlackBandit]

Is there a reason this guy cant speak for himself?

Right?

Also, while it looks like there were some oiling issues I'd like to know how that one bearing got that messed up without the others getting toasted nearly as much.

Edit: I'm not taking sides, that's just a pretty big difference.

 

[QUIP'6']

Third and fourth pic in post #113, is it just me or does it look like the crank throws have some material broke off them? I don't recall mine looking that jagged...

that is wierd and it happens to be the one that is toasted. i too would like to know how one bearing would suffer this much damage. especially when the mains are ok and the other rods

 

[SloGN]

Right?

Also, while it looks like there were some oiling issues I'd like to know how that one bearing got that messed up without the others getting toasted nearly as much.

Edit: I'm not taking sides, that's just a pretty big difference.

i'm asking that myself.



Those are FM bearings. And i bet those shiney spots is due to fitting and rotating the crank with very minimal lube on them. .


I also think there is something to said about that one rod bearing being killed but the other bearing are intact and not down in the copper.


The # 4 main bearing is showing some abnormal wear marks on it aswell. how much taper is in those main caps.


Now pertaining the thrust bearing when assembling the engine how was the thrust bearing set? Was the #2 cap fitted along with the bearing to see how they matched up top to bottom. One thing you gotta watch on the FM bearing is bearing thickness is not held to a very tight tolorances.



These are just some questions/comments i have about this issue. I'm not here to try and blame anyone or anything.

 

[SloGN]

whats in the oil feed hole?

Also don't most engine builders port the oil feed hole for better oiling at high speed?

 

[EVIL]

It sucks to be the op and it sucks to be the builder.
I don't know who is at fault but as long as both parties are unsatisfied in the case of a settlement of some sort, then it will be a fair settlement. If only one side is satisfied the there is a problem.
Weber appears to have made an effort.

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[turbobuick]

That motor was started dry. The one rod bearing made contact with the crank on start up and proceeded to tear itself up. Same thing happened to my buddies motor two seasons ago when he put it away for the winter and started it in the spring without priming it. Spun one rod bearing on start up and everything else was fine.

I cant see how he didn't hear it when the motor was started.

Shame I feel bad for him, should've played nice with Weber and gotten it fixed

 

[BlackBandit]

Any pics of the cam and cam bearings?

 

[forcefed3.8's]

His answer to how much oil pressure he saw when priming the engine is priceless. I wish he would post the truth. He never primed the engine. Believe me Weber has been building these engines since these cars have been getting built.

 

[stagemonster]

The motor was primed with a priming tool and a dewalt drill for over 15 minuets it was not dry on start up. ive assembled and prined many motors and this is the first time ive ever had this problem. I dont think it was because of prime something had to have beed in that oil passage and thats probaly why they wanted to do the disassembly when i was not there to see it for my self. Everyone there was talking in circles. But like their recipt says no warrantys and thats my fault for not reading it when i dropped the stuff off. Also the thrust bearing is worn on both sides not just the back side explane that. They are good at covering up their mistake and although i got screwed in all of this it will happen to them again. I wish no bad will to them and i hope this never happens to anybody elses motor that they get from but i guess everybody learns an lesson at my expence. My advice to anyone is let them assemble the whole motor or you get no warranty. I will from now on even if the machine shop wants to assemble it put it together myself because u cant trust them to do it right and be honest. I didnt get to post till now cause i have other **** going on in my life other than this car and as for other people posting on my behalf that because they have seen the damage in person and also were there to see how rude i was treated when i was at weber. Good luck to all that deal with them.

 

[stagemonster]

i'm asking that myself.



Those are FM bearings. And i bet those shiney spots is due to fitting and rotating the crank with very minimal lube on them. .


I also think there is something to said about that one rod bearing being killed but the other bearing are intact and not down in the copper.


The # 4 main bearing is showing some abnormal wear marks on it aswell. how much taper is in those main caps.


Now pertaining the thrust bearing when assembling the engine how was the thrust bearing set? Was the #2 cap fitted along with the bearing to see how they matched up top to bottom. One thing you gotta watch on the FM bearing is bearing thickness is not held to a very tight tolorances.



These are just some questions/comments i have about this issue. I'm not here to try and blame anyone or anything.

Pat if i ever get the time ill be down there to build this one with u guys and get the real reason why this happened cause i know i wont get b.s. down in North Carolina

 

[stagemonster]

The crank throws definently look damaged to me-maybe the offshore Chinese crank started to come apart causing a vibration destroying the bearings-one theory! Maybe the structural integrity of the crank should be exaimed?

Thats a stock crank. Weber didnt post a pic of the #1 main on the bad side it has a goove in it that they said was in the crank when they built the motor boostedyards has pics of the other side of the #1 main and they put that crank in my motor without consulting with me first about it.

 

[stagemonster]

Now pertaining the thrust bearing when assembling the engine how was the thrust bearing set? Was the #2 cap fitted along with the bearing to see how they matched up top to bottom. One thing you gotta watch on the FM bearing is bearing thickness is not held to a very tight tolorances.



the thrust bearing top and bottom do not line up good it almost looks offset when the cap is together.

 

[boostedyards86]

Wow come on Weber. You really think this guy wouldn't have primed his motor? He's worked on countless turbo buicks in Pittsburgh and is the GO TO GO for my shop when these come in. He has a priming tool. Now, I was not there the day he put the motor in, but I have seen him prime every other motor that has come in before. Its hard for me to believe that someone that is knowledgeable in these cars would just choose or forget to prime his motor that he spent so much money on. He's built these motors before but chose YOU to build it because you were supposed to be the best.

 

[boostedyards86]

And what is this? Why was he not notified before this crank was put back in?

 

[boostedyards86]

really 39 miles did this? And you wont cover it? Heck I give a 5 pass or 50mile warranty on motors that I know are getting beat on right from the start. Jesus guys. You guys saying he didn't prime his motor and what not is just infuriating.

 

[daves87gn]

is it just me or are there hot spots on those bearings, i have seen similar from bearings set to tight?

just asking

edit: if i remember correctly tight bearings will look like they were starved for oil.

 

[SGRIM]

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Bill, I am going to piss off somebody I know...

I can tell you that if Brian doesn't want to talk to you, you don't get him on the phone...

I am tried of asking for a phone call back. I guess this is a good a place as any to put as I am sure Brian will see this...

Yea I am pissed...

I am tired of a few vendors up here thinking they can skate by without paying... Maybe this will serve as NOTICE to all.... If you owe TurboBuick.com get with me soon, you know who you are.....

 

[49-blues]

I saw WRE on the end of the crank throw and assumed for $5500. you atleast got a forged crank on the build. what could cause that kind of damage on the crank-what did it come into contact with?