New Stock Location Intercooler just came in!!!

[scot w.]

man, the real stock location intercoolers came out years ago. The pte stock location. Hands down the best one made. So is it safe to say gbodyparts, hyetech, and gn1performance stole their intercooler design? I could care less. They all look the same, and as far as I'm concerned, they all came from the same place ! I know gbody parts is not making those intercoolers here in the u.s.a, and probably alot of his stuff is made in china. Face the facts guys, your not buying american products! materials and labor is too expensive here. If it was made in mexico would it be any better? probably not! but you all buy stuff made in mexico and dont complain about it. hell, even american cars are made over seas? does that stop you from buying american cars? hell no. All of you need to pull your heads out of your a$$es and smell the coffee. All the parts on your cars including those cat cranks, rods and what ever else, are not made in the USA! have a great evening.

If no one like's the chinese made stuff, try not to buy it! If someone wants to buy chinese stuff for there car let em! To each there own! This is copying stuff is happening more and more and vendors are going to have to get used to it really. No matter who made the first Stock location I/C or not, someone coppied it!! and are still being copied to this day wether it be mease, pte or any more. If a current vendors product is tried and true (proven) then the copied stuff should run it's course with out really hurting sales of the current vendors (proven) product. If a product doesn't have a patent on it guess whoes fault that is? And if there is no patent then in reality it's out there to be legally copied. It sucks but thats the truth.....

 

[Ttype83]

Just to clarify, Admin's only problem here is the shady practices going on. Double, triple, sometimes quadruple personalities promoting products. I don't care what those products are! It is wrong, then when busted they create false claims against admin and me. It is really a hard pill to take, you try to do good and only get kicked for it.....

Does anything more need to be said than this. Why would anyone believe a word that comes up of his mouth What is he calling himself today..bambam,marred,hboost,gn1...how many more IC's did he sell himself to say what a good product it is

 

[Just a Six??]

So Brian says his intercooler is made in the USA but some are implying otherwise from a couple posts I read. I like Brian & have NO BEEF with him whatsoever!!!!!! BUT if in fact they are China made & sold as USA made that is Not Cool! Probably Illegal! Someone better prove they arent USA made or they could be sued. By the way, WTF cares where its made? Dont like it, dont buy it! I went with PTE on my car cuz I believe they are are a great product. But if PTE got it from China thats fine by me!!

 

[S2V6RACER]

The point youre missing is that this China knockoff stuff might not stay around more than a few years but its going to stifle any legit vendor from coming out with a new product because theyre going to know the stuff will end up on the China market inside of 6 months.

Shane and I have several projects that we've got a couple of years invested in that at this point, I dont know if I even want to bother with producing because I know inside of a week, one of them is going to be on the way to China to be knocked off by these new "Buick vendors".

I'll personally assure you I won't let the Chinese copy your new headers. I'll slam the hood down on any photographers!!!!

Send me your 1st production set. Need them for spring...

 

[JayC]

I'll personally assure you I won't let the Chinese copy your new headers. I'll slam the hood down on any photographers!!!!

Send me your 1st production set. Need them for spring...

I'm hoping to have a surprise in a couple of weeks

We've decided to rework things a bit and try something different. We're not giving up on the old design but I want to try something else.

We're also going to do a 4 bolt set of headers that will be unique to anything the Buick guys have seen.

Ive hooked up with a new fab guy and if he turns out to be any good, it will greatly improve the speed we get this stuff out to everyone. He's local to me so I can oversee what gets done instead of having to send stuff across the country multiple times and pray its what I wanted when it shows back up.

Might even send them overseas to be made. If we don't, someone else will and our market will essentially be ruined as none of these new "vendors" seem to have any problems stealing other people's products and knocking them off and saying "Hey look, guys, dont pay the people who designed this stuff, buy it cheap from us!"

For the record, I dont have a problem with stuff made in China. I dont particulaly like it but I do understand the economics of it. What I do have a problem with is the backdoor shilling tactics of these new "vendors" and their blatant disregard for stealing other people's designs. I also have a problem with these new "vendors" lieing about stuff that's painfully obvious to me. "We're not BA Performance"

 

[scot w.]

Might even send them overseas to be made. If we don't, someone else will and our market will essentially be ruined as none of these new "vendors" seem to have any problems stealing other people's products and knocking them off and saying "Hey look, guys, dont pay the people who designed this stuff, buy it cheap from us!"

For the record, I dont have a problem with stuff made in China. I dont particulaly like it but I do understand the economics of it. What I do have a problem with is the backdoor shilling tactics of these new "vendors" and their blatant disregard for stealing other people's designs. I also have a problem with these new "vendors" lieing about stuff that's painfully obvious to me. "We're not BA Performance"

LIKE I SAID BEFORE! If the VENDOR designs something and DOESN'T WANT IT COPIED THEN THEY SHOULD SHELL OUT THE MONEY AND HAVE A PATENT ON IT!! PERIOD!! IT'S THERE OWN FAULT!! If NOT, Then anyone can and will copy it. I know where the vendors are coming from! Making & Designing or Copy a product, the patent cost's too much to justifiy the small sales of that one product so they make them or Copy them and sell the product without the patent but when they get copied they come here and raise hell. What I don't understand is, If a vendor is going to go through all the Money,Time and Trouble to Design a product then why not spend the money to protect it? Every big vendor on here has copied a product in some way shape or form to call it there's to make money........ It will never end!! we own one type of car on here with How many vendors? It's going to happen! and keep happening................

I'm not for china products at all !!! So I will always try to buy from a company that supports products made in the USA. I will also buy Proven products that have worked for years as to a cheap new china product...

 

[QUIP'6']

I believe he was banned, you have to go to the "other board" to see him.

well @#$% him let it blow:biggrin: I didnt know of his banning let the wise cracks continue

 

[QUIP'6']

His first identity, HBOOST was banned a while ago so he created this alias, which was also banned.

You can head over to the other site to hear his infomercial.

no need!!! thanks for the info

 

[JayC]

LIKE I SAID BEFORE! If the VENDOR designs something and DOESN'T WANT IT COPIED THEN THEY SHOULD SHELL OUT THE MONEY AND HAVE A PATENT ON IT!! PERIOD!! IT'S THERE OWN FAULT!! If NOT, Then anyone can and will copy it.

Ever gotten a patent? I have.. its not fun. It's tons of red tape, its extremely expensive and 9 times out of 10, its not worth the paper its written on.

 

[JayC]

I'm not for china products at all !!! So I will always try to buy from a company that supports products made in the USA. I will also buy Proven products that have worked for years as to a cheap new china product...

I commend you for that but unfortunately you are in the minority.

Buick guys want "cheap" and these rip off artists are all too happy to oblige. Im sure Nick's header sales have nosedived since the rip off artists knocked them off. With such a large investment in development, its not worth taking the risk that people are going to pay more for "Made in the USA."

Lets see, 25 sets of headers from a USA supplier, ~$17,500, 25 sets from China ~$2500

Big difference

 

[SGRIM]

LIKE I SAID BEFORE! If the VENDOR designs something and DOESN'T WANT IT COPIED THEN THEY SHOULD SHELL OUT THE MONEY AND HAVE A PATENT ON IT!! PERIOD!! IT'S THERE OWN FAULT!! If NOT, Then anyone can and will copy it. I know where the vendors are coming from! Making & Designing or Copy a product, the patent cost's too much to justifiy the small sales of that one product so they make them or Copy them and sell the product without the patent but when they get copied they come here and raise hell. What I don't understand is, If a vendor is going to go through all the Money,Time and Trouble to Design a product then why not spend the money to protect it? Every big vendor on here has copied a product in some way shape or form to call it there's to make money........ It will never end!! we own one type of car on here with How many vendors? It's going to happen! and keep happening................

I'm not for china products at all !!! So I will always try to buy from a company that supports products made in the USA. I will also buy Proven products that have worked for years as to a cheap new china product...

Main problem there is the price it would cost to get a decent patent that would stick... Guess whom it would get passed down too, the customer. With such a small market it just isn't cost effective. Your right it will never stop though.

I have said this many times do you want innovation or imitation?

Once all the innovator's are gone, what will the imitators have to copy?

Remember that when choosing a vendor....

 

[Gary Wells]

Fwiw, "hboost" was not banned straight out the gate as many have been led to believe. "hboost" was given a "non-paid vacation" or "leave of absence" for posting "non-work safe content" in a thread on the "TB.com Southwestern Section" on or about 15 nov., 2007. I believe that he was only on a short vacation assignment when he created another user name, "BamBamBigelow" on or about 15th Nov., 2007, (only 2 days later) and posted back on the board. He was discovered and banned. Banning (not as in Banning, Kali) is standard enforcement/practice/policy/rule violation for those who use multiple personalities/screen names/user names/ aliases/ while on vaca. Those that wish to read the transcript that led up to user name "hbost's" vacation can do so on a thread in the TB.com Southwestern Section under "Are there any good mechanics in the L.A./Southwestern area?
It was neither deleted nor altered to maintain the integrity of TurboBuick.com's attitude/stance towards "Non-work safe content, language, and / or insulting another member". I am solely responsibile for "hboost's" vacation request, and neither Shane nor Jay, nor any other TB.com administrator, moderator, or staff member had anything to do with it. User name "hboost" and / or "BamBamBigelow" was solely responsible for the ban due to filing for and / or claiming another user name while on temporary vacation. The actions that followed "hboost's" "non-work safe content" posting had nothing to do with paying and or non-paying vendors. Shane, Jay, and all of the administrative & moderator staff are doing everything possible to maintain this as the premier turboBuick site/bulletin board/forum. None of us want to see a member have to take an unexpected vacation any more than a member does. It's that simple.

 

[Gary Wells]

Events of 3rd nov, 2007 leading up to "hboost's" original vaca
(For TB.com admin, moderators, & staff only)
On 3rd nov., 2007, @ or / about 12:20 A.M., hboost posted this regarding and / or referring to another member of TB.com (#25 Permalink):
“guess if some of us want to do our own work were getting into this OLD bitch's pockets......go figure…………..All of the SoCal people need to read this thread and see what this old man (LOU) is really out for; obviously not for the love of these cars and helping you go fast....but all about "picking your pockets". Lou's punk ass will charge you just to LOOK at your car!!!!!! Very True.....

Also on nov 3rd, 2007 @ or / about 12:31 hboost posted this in the same thread:
……………..I've also copied everything on this thread, and will post in more websites if ANYTHING gets deleted Wells; you know that's F*ed up.....

On 3rd Nov., 2007 @ or about 5:01 A.M. I posted the following (#29 permalink) as my reasoning/logic/rationale for vacationing hboost and to bring the posting back into a more settled positive nature/state:
“I have no intention of deleting anything from this thread nor am I going to lock it unless I am requested to do so by either Turbobuick.com management or Lou Czarnota. I feel that this thread will serve as a reminder to those who have no consideration for others in their posts by resorting to name-calling (insulting other members), inappropriate language and / or any other violations against Turbobuick.com rules and / or policies.

I feel that all supporting vendors/suppliers/shops of TB.com must be a “stand alone on their own past history, integrity, and customer relationship attitude” for TB.com to remain an unbiased source of information for the turboBuick community.
I have not in the past, do not at present, and will not in the future protect and or stand-up for a vendor/supplier/speciality shop/member solely because he or she is a TB.com paying advertiser.

I consider hboost’s language and phraseology as used above in permalink #’s 25 & 27 as non-worksafe content in addition to inappropriate language because where I presently work, we are not allowed to use such. Not only due to the fact that we employ the fairer sex, or so they claim, it helps promote a positive attitude towards the work environment.

As long as any site/bulletin board/forum has any paying clientele for whatever reason, we will always suffer the jealous & discriminate brunt & wrath of members of not only this but also of other forums & their members less in stature, membership quantity, and / or quality of information.

TB.com is a 20K+ member site and continually growing in membership #’s, naturally other turboBuick boards are less than thrilled about the growth of this board/forum/site.

 

[SGRIM]

Thanks Gary!

Contrary to some belief's it is just that simple!

 

[scot w.]

Ever gotten a patent? I have.. its not fun. It's tons of red tape, its extremely expensive and 9 times out of 10, its not worth the paper its written on.

No I havn't! I never done a design on something that was going to be produced. But I know people who have!:smile: I kind of explained in my post what you just did and it's the reason why the vendors don't get any patents! thus the reason things are being copied!!

 

[scot w.]

Main problem there is the price it would cost to get a decent patent that would stick... Guess whom it would get passed down too, the customer. With such a small market it just isn't cost effective. Your right it will never stop though.

I have said this many times do you want innovation or imitation?

Once all the innovator's are gone, what will the imitators have to copy?

Remember that when choosing a vendor....

Well you said it too! that makes me saying it first, Jay c second and now you!.. YES IT DOES COST TOO MUCH THATS WHY THEY DON'T DO IT!! THEN THEY SHOULDN'T PITCH A FIT WHEN IT'S COPIED!!

The main problem here is the amount of vendors of all those parts! Period! Think About it!!!
We have all these vendors trying to sell the same stuff, Trying to come out with something new, trying to do it the cheapest way for them for a bigger profit and the problem is there is ALOT of copying as a result!! but what there is a LACK of is "True" research and development (Actual numbers!) I/C for example! On these products. I have actual R&D (Ambiant Flow) numbers I done myself on the PTE stock location I/C with the crank fan off. PTE never even done a test to see how the air flows inside the shroud and I would be willing to bet no one else did either who makes them!! They are just made and sold!!

 

[Junior Samples]

it's the reason why the vendors don't get any patents! thus the reason things are being copied!!

China doesnt recognize patents anyway, just walk into Harbor Fright.
I would like to see some results on flow testing different IC's I think it would be very a interesting read.
But I look at it this way...China has a population of like a Quazillion people and after just reading big story on Yahoo about the E-waste from people cooking old motherboards in their homes to get at the metal and how the rivers are wasted and they cant drink the water and their dumping their toxic goo anywhere so I say to them...drink up!

But my stale humor post aside, Wasnt this thread really about this weasle with many names advertising tactics?.

Confucious say: good food not cheap and cheap food not good:tongue:

 

[Victory]

I commend you for that but unfortunately you are in the minority....

Lets see, 25 sets of headers from a USA supplier, ~$17,500, 25 sets from China ~$2500

Big difference

Wow, it's amazing that some vendors are charging $300 and $500 dollars for a set of copied China made headers when they cost ~$100 to fabricate. That pisses me off a bit. I don't mind vendors turning a profit, but at what point does it become unethical.

Sheesh

 

[RUQWKNF27]

Guys this all comes down to MONEY!!! Get a cheaper product and charge less or as mentioned above get a cheaper product and charge the same it just depends on how greedy you want to be. I wonder how much quality control there is in these foreign countries??? I would suppose there is not much cause they are swamped with orders and they need to get the product out the door ASAP. Probaly why some people say well mine fit fine and others have problems.

 

[JayC]

Wow, it's amazing that some vendors are charging $300 and $500 dollars for a set of copied China made headers when they cost ~$100 to fabricate. That pisses me off a bit. I don't mind vendors turning a profit, but at what point does it become unethical.

Sheesh

Im sure that there are duties and shipping to contend with so the price per set is probably a little higher. If you have R&D expenses to cover then you have to make a profit plus recoup what youve spent in development but that's a moot point here as none of these guys are R&Ding anything.