Pump gas and alky... E85 isn't very common around here... No station for 50 miles.
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Nitrous!!! Do they make a progressive unit, And is it safe on turbos???
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Is it worth all the problems that come with it??
Higher fuel consumption with E85 [30to40%] more on average might be a factor for some who D/D their cars.
Other issues may be present using E85 that will have to be considered as well. Look at this thread E85 goooo?
It doesn't matter what fuel you run, there will be pros and cons to each.
Whatever setup someone chooses they should do all their homework before the first part is purchased and know what they need and what to expect to help avoiding costly mistakes.
Following threads with actual data of both the high and low points of any modification is better than listening to the guy that just states my car is BLAH BLAH faster with this fuel or this part than it was before.
For me the cons of E85 out weigh the pros. The cost saving of the fuel itself is negated by the higher consumption rate and the oil wash down in D/D driving which requires more frequent oil changes and fill ups amongst other issues.
At least with ALKY, it is less of a problem [oil wash down] and is only used when needed.
If I had a dedicated track car I would be on board with E85 if it made more power than race gas. I'm not bashing E85 just stating why I won't use it and telling others to look at all the options and weigh the pros and cons of what mod they are considering and not get caught up in the hype or the fad of the day.
Higher fuel consumption with E85 [30to40%] more on average might be a factor for some who D/D their cars.
Other issues may be present using E85 that will have to be considered as well. Look at this thread E85 goooo?
It doesn't matter what fuel you run, there will be pros and cons to each.
Whatever setup someone chooses they should do all their homework before the first part is purchased and know what they need and what to expect to help avoiding costly mistakes.
Following threads with actual data of both the high and low points of any modification is better than listening to the guy that just states my car is BLAH BLAH faster with this fuel or this part than it was before.
For me the cons of E85 out weigh the pros. The cost saving of the fuel itself is negated by the higher consumption rate and the oil wash down in D/D driving which requires more frequent oil changes and fill ups amongst other issues.
At least with ALKY, it is less of a problem [oil wash down] and is only used when needed.
If I had a dedicated track car I would be on board with E85 if it made more power than race gas. I'm not bashing E85 just stating why I won't use it and telling others to look at all the options and weigh the pros and cons of what mod they are considering and not get caught up in the hype or the fad of the day.
I am not going to get into this discussion with you as you clearly just read myths and ridiculous posts by a few and assume thats reality...
I have had E85 in my TTA since 2004 .. have yet to see any GOO .. matter of fact the fuel system itself looks exactly as it did PRE E85 conversion. Except that I am able to run the car @ 24 psi in daily driver condition burning fuel thats $2.50 a gallon
and that I dont ever have to worry about added complexity from anything spraying when its supposed to.. its set it and forget it.
Don't STIR the POT when you have no clue of what E85 is about ... and DON'T spread rumors on the fuel itself based on a few isolated posts on here.. When you PERSONALLY have 10+ years running the fuel on anything from daily drivers to 9 second weekend cars.. then you can voice your OPINION .. which I am sure would be more inline with what many of us are saying that have run the fuel for as long as we have ....
Can we talk converters now ?
Damn! If it's just an opinion, why are you getting so worked up? Knock on wood, 250 passes, 70k street miles, and never had a problem yet with my pump gas/alky setup at 25+psi. Just another opinion. The points that Rob Zombie raised are not invalid though simply b/c your experience hasn't been as bad as others. You E85 guys are huge on making others drink the koolaid. Rob is just stating a well known fact that there are two sides to every story.
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Like said above, I wasn't trying to start anything. The OP was asking about nitrous and you offered up E85 as the answer. I was only trying to convey that no matter what direction he goes that he should do all his homework to avoid any pitfalls or added costs if not planned out as a whole and to look at the pros and cons of whatever he does.
The facts are that E85 does use more fuel like I stated, and that's a constant even if it's cheaper up front it translates into more frequent fill ups. I get 22/24 MPG. What do you get??
Another fact is that the higher ethanol content in E85 will wash down the oil more than a gas/alky combo and is more hydroscopic than 10% ethanol gas.
The thread example that I posted was what others are saying the effects of E85 may be having on their engines amongst all the various other threads both good and bad. I just used that as an example of why I told him to read and research before pissing money into the wind or creating other problems that he may not have thought about.
Kind of like why he posted the nitrous question.
I didn't post here to piss you off and I'm sorry if you have a problem with me personally, but there's no need to attack me just because you don't agree with what I've said. If what I've posted isn't fact based then maybe you would have a leg to stand on but you don't.
Now play nice or I'll have my converter come over and kick your converters A$$!!
PS. I'm glad you love your E85 and have had no problems using it. It's a diverse world and we all have different views on why we choose what we do. There are 100 ways to skin a cat and plenty more on how to build a car. Take comfort in knowing that you are pleased with how yours turned out for you and let others do the same.
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First how can someone that PERSONALLY never ran it offer any option that is valid.. second why are you jumping in on the post as you've never ran it either otherwise you wouldn't be saying its koolaid ...
We aren't running it just because ... We don't have any vested compensation in E85 refineries or gasoline stations..
we are offering up a solution that has nothing but benefits and then guys like you and zombie post opinions based on WHAT ?
Personal experience ? NO .. based on some posts that are off the wall.... its just like suggestions of E85 eating away at paper filters and rubber hoses would melt over nite and the list goes on and on.. its simple misinformation what gets propagated by guys that is based on hearsay. If you guys both ran it and said .. HEY my personal experience is this .. so be it .. its a valid
argument and I have no issue with that other than most of the BS posts on E85 is just misinformation at its finest..
Actually keep using your 91 octane and ALKY .. don't switch over to E85 ... avoid it like the plague.. its not for you... let all of us KOOLAID drinkers deal with it. I guess there was a time when race fuel was a fad too
Like said above, I wasn't trying to start anything. The OP was asking about nitrous and you offered up E85 as the answer. I was only trying to convey that no matter what direction he goes that he should do all his homework to avoid any pitfalls or added costs if not planned out as a whole and to look at the pros and cons of whatever he does.
The facts are that E85 does use more fuel like I stated, and that's a constant even if it's cheaper up front it translates into more frequent fill ups. I get 22/24 MPG. What do you get??
Another fact is that the higher ethanol content in E85 will wash down the oil more than a gas/alky combo and is more hydroscopic than 10% ethanol gas.
The thread example that I posted was what others are saying the effects of E85 may be having on their engines amongst all the various other threads both good and bad. I just used that as an example of why I told him to read and research before pissing money into the wind or creating other problems that he may not have thought about.
Kind of like why he posted the nitrous question.
I didn't post here to piss you off and I'm sorry if you have a problem with me personally, but there's no need to attack me just because you don't agree with what I've said. If what I've posted isn't fact based then maybe you would have a leg to stand on but you don't.
Now play nice or I'll have my converter come over and kick your converters A$$!!
PS. I'm glad you love your E85 and have had no problems using it. It's a diverse world and we all have different views on why we choose what we do. There are 100 ways to skin a cat and plenty more on how to build a car. Take comfort in knowing that you are pleased with how yours turned out for you and let others do the same.
simple .. he should go with E85 and Nitrous .. why not .. both work great together.
and its simple NO OTHER MOD on a TURBO BUICK will offer more bang for the buck than a E85 conversion .. PERIOD!
Sure is the MPG gonna be the same on E85 .. no .. but if your driving a turbo buick for economy your a dope because there not economical in any fashion.. I could care less if I get 17 mpg or 22 mpg especially when one costs $50 to fill up and the other costs $80 ... how do you put a price on smile to the mile and piece of mind.. you can't
I have nothing against ANYONE personally ... Far from it ..what I do have issues with is when I read posts based on
what you read in a few posts and posting that E85 is just a myth, fad, offers nothing and is a complete waste ... all based on
what ??? have you ran it ?? If you did you wouldnt be posting its myth..
Pure simple FACT for you .. E85 will always make MORE power than regular fuel will as long as you tune accordingly.
IF you have converted over and its not making more power.. something is just not right with the setup or tune.
I couldnt even tell you how many setups have proven this.
PROVE its a myth on your ... I have always told every customer I have converted over... IF YOU DO NOT FEEL the E85 conversion was worth the $450 bucks .. I will refund TWICE your money... out of 50-60 conversions I have yet to have 1 customer say he is not 100% sold on it ..
I'll keep drinkin the koolaid as long as the cars keep running the way they do or another better FAD comes along
I totally respect that its not for your cars... if you have to drive 200 miles to get it and availability is an issue.. sure ALKY is the solution for you.. I have no problems with making that decision and for some customers its the right choice...
I just get a bit t'd when people start saying about all the bad things about it based on no personal experience and hearsay.. its not right and steers people in the wrong direction. I have been hearing for years how its an evil fuel and it will melt your fuel system away and the lines will turn into jello overnite.. and that stock filter will plug in no time.. and you know what .. hate to break it to the naysayers.. its all bull .. 10 years never have seen 1 issue that is specifically related to E85 .. on my GN I did have to replace a rubber line.. but it was pretty hard to begin with before I made the E85 swtich...
Turbo89 <<<< E85 all the way until the next koolaid comes along
"just the facts ma'am, just the facts!" as Joe Friday used to say in the old tv series of the "FBI" and "A word of caution to the wise is beneficial." This is the two sides of the same coin, especially when proceeding into the unknown. More specifically, the knowledge and "total" cost to engage in the use of nos, e-85, or alchy. Not sure about the koolaid though?
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