Police use stun gun on 6-year-old...

[sixgun86gn]

Originally posted by Pablo
Man are you kiddin me! I woulda had my parter distract him by doing some kungfu moves, then, I woulda jumped up and grabbed cieling fixture and used that to swing over and behind him then quickly grab the kids arm, twist it around his back. Shake his hand in a quick motion chuck norris style so the weapon goes flying out
Then we would put him on time out and talk to him about being good


what an easy situation to fix, like those no holds barred fights, man those guys cant fight, I totally see a million moves they could do to win easily

/mmqb mode off

btw hispanic is not a race

Ignorant people are ignorant regardless of where they are from

You are right Pablo,Hispanic isn't a race.Its a label.Just like white or black,not races either.More like descriptions.I prefer olive toned to describe myself mostly,but hey thats a personal preference anyways.

My race would be 1/4 spanish,1/4 czech,1/8 irish,1/8dutch,1/8 camanche indian,and 1/8 scottish.Kind of hard to write all that on an application so I get to check caucasian.We should all just go by our citizenship,do away with the labels.Matter of fact all my family in America came here in the early 1900s so I beleive in immigration on a legal basis.Sorry if anything I wrote was misconstrued.

 

[Pablo]

not to take this in a different direction but those arent races either those are nationalities.
according to blumenbach who is the father of this whole notion of race there are three races and within those three you have sub categories. They arent named because countries either, race is seperate of nationality or ethnicity

but yeah it should a non issue for most anything

 

[bruce]

Originally posted by no-nos
well since you also deviated from my answer , it only takes 5amps to kill a man, remember my argument was this was done to a child, which the mother has come on t.v. saying her child has never hurt nor attempted to hurt himself or anyone and they showed the kid on t.v too ( i don't think they should have done that) stunning a grown man or woman or even a teenager is fine with me but a 6yr old is way to young in my opinion. Also it's happened again just fallow the link to local and regional headlines

And your deviating from the issue that the kid had self inflicted some injuries, and was threatening others. He also wasn't compling with a lawful command.

I guess to some people, they just want to further instill this attitude of it's OK to ignore the cops, and we'll have more and more high speed chases, and people resisting arrest. Ya, now that makes alot of sense.

And people get so irrated by the criminals getting off, and yet they want to question, and second guess every darned move a cop makes. Sad seeing so many people so worried about criminals.

IMO, the Cops involved ought to sue the parents for raising such a child. Imagine the mental turmoil they must be going thur about all this todo, about what was rooted in the parents lack of parenting skils. Odd, you need to get a license to drive a car, yet you can raise all the criminals at home, that you want, with federal and state assistance (and free health care).

 

[RACEBUICKS]

All this discussion reminds me of the fact that we still should have corporal punishment allowed in school. I have a teacher friend in the Jr High and she says that some kids just push you over the edge so they can say " So what can you do? You touch me Ill get my parents to sue you"

Kids are only as good as the parents they represent. Its like the parents want no role in the education but they want the kids to learn respect at school with no way to enforce it.

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by sixgun86gn
My race would be 1/4 spanish,1/4 czech,1/8 irish,1/8dutch,1/8 camanche indian,and 1/8 scottish.

Sorry, you're not scottish, your 1/8 Scot or 1/8 Scotsman. You tell a Scot you're "scottish" and he'll roll his eyes. Just a heads up .

 

[no-nos]

Originally posted by bruce
And your deviating from the issue that the kid had self inflicted some injuries, and was threatening others. He also wasn't compling with a lawful command.

I guess to some people, they just want to further instill this attitude of it's OK to ignore the cops, and we'll have more and more high speed chases, and people resisting arrest. Ya, now that makes alot of sense.

And people get so irrated by the criminals getting off, and yet they want to question, and second guess every darned move a cop makes. Sad seeing so many people so worried about criminals.

IMO, the Cops involved ought to sue the parents for raising such a child. Imagine the mental turmoil they must be going thur about all this todo, about what was rooted in the parents lack of parenting skils. Odd, you need to get a license to drive a car, yet you can raise all the criminals at home, that you want, with federal and state assistance (and free health care).

what the heck are you talking about ? why are you trying to place this 6yr old in the same catagory and as a career criminal, were talking about one incident, lets not confuse this six yr old"s comprehension of the law to that of an adult, i agree with what your saying if it pertains to an adult. I see that some people have a problem with questioning a police officers actions or conduct why? just because someone has been given a certin amount of authority does not make them above the law. IMO it will put better police officers on the streets, some cops have this attitude that if you just talk in the wrong tone of voice or you simply want to ask them a question they get ready to beat the crap outta ya, these cops suffer from tunnel vision and what i mean by that is this attitude of just do what the fock i say or else, these are the focking a$$hole's out there ruining it for every other good, honest police officer, my dad hated a bad cop just as much or even more than he did some criminals and i'm sure most cops feel the same way. please excuse me getting side tracked.
it's just that police around here SOME NOT ALL get away with alot of $hit, not saying that this cop in question has again IMO

 

[no-nos]

Originally posted by sixgun86gn
NO not 5 amps I mean 1/2 an amp.No not finished yet.I got 10 years in this trade and just finally got serious about the school part.Of course the first 5 years were working for a non union shop.I am what they call a 3rd year apprentice now,but I seem to be doing alot of teaching foreign equipment to people because of my experience with all types of elevators from the open shop days.

that's what i am also a third year apprentice, but since my injury i have'nt been able to attend school, cause now you have to be working in order to go to school

 

[87buick3825]

Originally posted by RACEBUICKS
All this discussion reminds me of the fact that we still should have corporal punishment allowed in school. I have a teacher friend in the Jr High and she says that some kids just push you over the edge so they can say " So what can you do? You touch me Ill get my parents to sue you"

Kids are only as good as the parents they represent. Its like the parents want no role in the education but they want the kids to learn respect at school with no way to enforce it.

This is now the American way . A few of my "old" friends have had "love childs" Those SOBs walk on water !!! They see nothing an the kid does what ever he wants. Oh Johnny don't do that ! Kid doesnt even turn around .. About that time I would have had my Dad's foot in my butt
Oh bye the way I am an American

RD

 

[no-nos]

Originally posted by RACEBUICKS
All this discussion reminds me of the fact that we still should have corporal punishment allowed in school. I have a teacher friend in the Jr High and she says that some kids just push you over the edge so they can say " So what can you do? You touch me Ill get my parents to sue you"

Kids are only as good as the parents they represent. Its like the parents want no role in the education but they want the kids to learn respect at school with no way to enforce it.

i disagree, if a parent can't take a piece of board wrapped up in tape, (cause thats what they used in jr high school when i went)
and smack his own kid, then how on god's green earth can a teacher who could care less about your child, be able to strike your child, and how hard she or he strikes, probably depends on how mad she or he is, It's not allowed for those same reasons teachers were getting outta hand, I believe no-one has a right to strike a child just cause the child is misbehaveing you punish him by taking away things he likes to play with things like that.
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So what can you do? You touch me Ill get my parents to sue you"

well it happened to my child, my kid had to go to the bathroom, he raised his hand the teacher said wait so he did wait 10min raised his hand again she said no! sit down, I have always told my kids be polite ask twice if they still refuse get up and go to the bathroom, have them call me, and i'll go to school, well he did but as he was walking out she grabs him by the neck and leaves these huge scratch markes on his neck which drew blood (stpuid witch) and she has the face to say it was my sons fault for getting up! I told her witch are you a focking doctor ? are you a focking mind reader? who the hell are you to say when he can and can not go to the bathroom, in the military no nco or officer can tell you no, SO if the u.s. goverment can't tell me when i can and can't go, what gives you the right to tell my son when he can and can't go. I did'nt sue her or the school but i sure as hell made sure she did'nt teach in this county again.

 

[no-nos]

Originally posted by 87buick3825
This is now the American way . A few of my "old" friends have had "love childs" Those SOBs walk on water !!! They see nothing an the kid does what ever he wants. Oh Johnny don't do that ! Kid doesnt even turn around .. About that time I would have had my Dad's foot in my butt
Oh bye the way I am an American

RD

Oh bye the way I am an American

 

[turbojimmy]

Looks like they tazed another one. A 12-year-old cigar-smoking drunk girl who was going to run into traffic.

Sick world we live in - 12 years old.

See MSNBC.com

Jim

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by no-nos
why are you trying to place this 6yr old in the same catagory and as a career criminal, were talking about one incident, lets not confuse this six yr old"s comprehension of the law to that of an adult

We have no confirmation this is one incident. As a police officer you confont the incident at hand, no matter if it's the 60th or 1st. Plus I don't think anyone's trying to correlate the actions of this 6yr old with that of a career criminal. At least I don't see it.

Originally posted by no-nos
I see that some people have a problem with questioning a police officers actions or conduct why?

Questions are fine but this to me sounds like ACCUSATIONS and not questions. Again, this kid WAS NOT hurt. The situation was resolved peacfully. What more do you want? So he got a jolt...so what?!

Originally posted by no-nos
just because someone has been given a certin amount of authority does not make them above the law.

No laws were broken, that is unless you can quote some.

Originally posted by no-nos
Some cops have this attitude that if you just talk in the wrong tone of voice or you simply want to ask them a question they get ready to beat the crap outta ya, these cops suffer from tunnel vision

Sorry, but that isn't what took place with this 6yr old. He wasn't "in the wrong tone of voice". He already harmed himself 2x with an edged weapon and threatened more violence. For Christ's sake they gave him a shock....ended a potentially deadly situation and not one person got hurt! What's the problem!?!

In conclusion it seems the debate revolves around "excessive force". Excessive force usually involves an allegation of civil rights violations or some sort of injury. NONE is the case here. So the kid got a shock, what the heck is the problem???? Get over it already

 

[no-nos]

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Sorry, but that isn't what took place with this 6yr old.


i did'nt say that, so don't try to make it sound like i did!


He wasn't "in the wrong tone of voice". He already harmed himself 2x with an edged weapon and threatened more violence.

For Christ's sake they gave him a shock....

yes they did and thank god it did'nt cause any damage to the kid



ended a potentially deadly situation

A: A deadly situation, are you kidding? you mean to say a six yr old with a small piece of glass A DEADLY SITUATION, yeah you might have a point the cop might have SHOT THE DAM KID,is that what your trying to say.


and not one person got hurt! What's the problem!?!

A:your missing the point, but your a cop i don't expect you to see that a child was shocked with 50,000 volts, and as far as the problem is that could have been lethal, sure now that nothing happened everythings ok, right it's all a big fuss for nothing.


In conclusion it seems the debate revolves around "excessive force". Excessive force usually involves an allegation of civil rights violations or some sort of injury. NONE is the case here. So the kid got a shock, what the heck is the problem????


Get over it already :rolleyes

NO i won't get over it, this is not a problem where you live but it's a problem here, or did'nt you read that they tasered another kid a 12 yr old girl but i know you don't see this all you see is someone saying something bad about a choise a cop made, I would say more but it's not going to make a difference anyway.What's done is done.

 

[no-nos]

Originally posted by bruce
And your deviating from the issue that the kid had self inflicted some injuries, and was threatening others. He also wasn't compling with a lawful command.

I guess to some people, they just want to further instill this attitude of it's OK to ignore the cops, and we'll have more and more high speed chases, and people resisting arrest. Ya, now that makes alot of sense.


Plus I don't think anyone's trying to correlate the actions of this 6yr old with that of a career criminal. At least I don't see it.
quote: TT/A1233

that to me sounds like corralateing to me, he's using the kids actions and tie-ing them in with those of a career criminal.

 

[RACEBUICKS]

no-nos

Really you need to do a ride along. You will see what the officers actually go thru. I have and I used to think like you until I did a friday night ride along in city. These guys are under intense pressure to make the right choice every time they get out of the car. ALL the decisions are made to protect the inocent first, themselves second. The kid was in a fit of rage, Have you ever seen a kid in a fit of rage?? Im not talking temper tamper thing I am saying RAGE !!!! I have only seen it one time in my life and all I could say was GOOD LORD what the hell is that kid doing!!!?? ANyway all sitituations are different but if this kid was in a rage manor and the officers Id bet tried to disarm him and he probably went nuts at them so to keep the safety of themselves and everyone in the room the decision to taser was made. Situation over.. Everyone lives noone is further injured. Its all about perseption. What you perseved happed is not what always happened.

You can armchair critizise all you want you wernt there, so you dont know what the paper concidered as a rage behaviour. You cant do nothing but bitch about the desision that was made so you really dont have anything to do but mouth off over it all. I guaruntee the officers did the right thing.

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by no-nos
A: A deadly situation, are you kidding? you mean to say a six yr old with a small piece of glass A DEADLY SITUATION

Ummmm yea. Your questioning this speaks volumes. If you don't see the fact that a 6yr old who's already cut himself 2x and threatening more violence with an edged weapon isn't a deadly situation then [and don't take offense please] you're in the land of OZ.

Originally posted by no-nos
yeah you might have a point the cop might have SHOT THE DAM KID,is that what your trying to say.

The law, and our use of foce policy dictates several requirements before utilizing deadly force. Those are; a person with the present intent, present capability to seriously harm or kill you or another combined with no other alternative then the use of lethal force may be used. I wasn't there and every officer's interpretation of these requirement differs so it's up to the person being threated to determine whether to shoot or not. While I may not, I have female partners who are just over 100 lbs and about 5'1" tall. They may have a different impression about those requirements.

Originally posted by no-nos
your missing the point, but your a cop i don't expect you to see that a child was shocked with 50,000 volts, and as far as the problem is that could have been lethal, sure now that nothing happened everythings ok, right it's all a big fuss for nothing.

I'm not missing the poing. The point is you object to a kid being jolted by electricy and I have NO problem with that. ANY act of force could be lethal and that includes pepper spray or a physical altercation. What if he had asthma where pepper spray could have killed him? What if he had a bad heart and a struggle would have caused a heart attack? What if, what if, what if.... What if he had a rare bone disorder that when his arm was struck with a baton it would have shattered his bones? More "what ifs". Truth is statistics back up the fact a Taser is the least lethal and most affective way to subdue potentially dangerous subjects, especially the armed ones.

Originally posted by no-nos
NO i won't get over it, this is not a problem where you live but it's a problem here, or did'nt you read that they tasered another kid a 12 yr old girl but i know you don't see this all you see is someone saying something bad about a choise a cop made, I would say more but it's not going to make a difference anyway.What's done is done.

A kid being restrained from threatening harm to himself a 3rd time with a weapon, or a kid fleeing police from a lawful detention by being jolted with electricity is a HELLUVA lot more kind than tackeling them or hitting them with a baton or pepper spray. They get a 5 second shock of a lifetime, 15 seconds of recovery and all is done.....WHIP-T-DOO. You make it sound it's like sitting in the electric chair .

 

[no-nos]

Re: no-nos

Originally posted by RACEBUICKS
Really you need to do a ride along. You will see what the officers actually go thru. I have and I used to think like you until I did a friday night ride along in city. These guys are under intense pressure to make the right choice every time they get out of the car. ALL the decisions are made to protect the inocent first, themselves second. The kid was in a fit of rage, Have you ever seen a kid in a fit of rage?? Im not talking temper tamper thing I am saying RAGE !!!! I have only seen it one time in my life and all I could say was GOOD LORD what the hell is that kid doing!!!?? ANyway all sitituations are different but if this kid was in a rage manor and the officers Id bet tried to disarm him and he probably went nuts at them so to keep the safety of themselves and everyone in the room the decision to taser was made. Situation over.. Everyone lives noone is further injured. Its all about perseption. What you perseved happed is not what always happened.

You can armchair critizise all you want you wernt there, so you dont know what the paper concidered as a rage behaviour. You cant do nothing but bitch about the desision that was made so you really dont have anything to do but mouth off over it all. I guaruntee the officers did the right thing.

well bud being a son of a retired police officer, and having my cuz and my brother-in-law both police officers, i don't think i need a ride a long. and just to let you know i get my info from local news all 3 major networks and it's on every time the news comes on, your right i was'nt there, neither we're you or anyone else here, how do we know how bad the kids rage was ? the bottom line is we don't. And by the way no one said a cops job is easy, i could tell you more than you'll ever know bud trust me on that one.

I guess when someone gives their opinion and their views on things and they don't agree with yours it's CALLED BITCHING.
well if thats the case i guess your going to run into alot of people that you might find bitchy.

 

[TRBON8R]

Originally posted by Dillinger
What next? We going to tie shop lifters up to old sparky?

No, I wouldn't do anything that rash. If they are repeat offenders I'd only cut their hands off.

 

[TurboJunky]

no-nos,

Would you thoughtfully respond to the scenario I outlined earlier? I believe it to be accurate given the news reports but in any case it's still a hypothetical, albiet a possible one.

The only reply you gave was you'd hit the edged weapon from his hand. My given was that you couldn't approach to do that because he had threatened to hurt himself a 3rd time if anyone came closer.

I'd really like to hear what your next move would be.....

 

[no-nos]

opps double post