proof time machines don't exist

[turbo buicks]

i can prove time machines don't exist. i haven't come back in time to see myself yet therefore they don't exist

 

[Quiky One]

ok..Thats just what I needed to know to go to bed on!

Jason

 

[RUQWKNF]

How do you know you haven't gone back in time to see yourself?
Wouldn't one think the parradoxes that could occur by interacting with yourself would mandate using Stealth tactics for any Time slips / trips that you might take?

The questions that arise and the possible repercussions are endless.

Just thinking out loud.

Patrick

"Keeper of many secrets"

 

[turbo buicks]

you seem to have a good grasp on how to handle the delicate activities of time travel and time paradoxes, you must be from the future. please, do tell us how time machines work.

 

[RUQWKNF]

I can neither confirm nor deny these rumors. However, I would like to wait and see what others have to say about this subject before revealing anymore.

 

[tom h]

This is a variation on the "Fermi Paradox" -- if advanced, extraterrestrial intelligent life exists, why aren't they here yet? Serious scientists have pondered this question.
Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My personal interpretation of the Fermi Paradox is that at any given historical epoch, there is probably only one advanced life form in our galaxy - a most depressing conclusion.

re Time Travel -
Time travel to the future is actually straightforward, albeit impractical -- for any object or person travelling at speeds near light-speed (186,000 miles per second) , time slows down. This has been experimentally proven for subatomic particles. In fact there is even a very tiny correction needed for Global Positioning System satellites, for them to maintain accuracy, even though the satellites are travelling no where near lightspeed.
Time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


oddly enough there seem to be no fundamental physical principles prohibiting time travel to the past, based on the science known today. But technologically it may be forever beyond our grasp. One of the fundamental constraints is that backward time travel could only occur as far back as when the time machine was first created.
Kip Thorne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RUQWKNF]

Antimatter
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Howstuffworks "How Antimatter Spacecraft Will Work"

No science fiction here.

Thoughts? Comments?

 

[Renthorin]

i can prove time machines don't exist. i haven't come back in time to see myself yet therefore they don't exist

I don't want to spoil it for you but 11 years from now on February 23rd you come back in time. We have lunch....

 

[Brer Rabbit]

Easy there time travelers.

Can someone go back in time and stop me from turning up the boost on my car to 26# on 93 octane please. Oh yeah and please go back to the day I let my buddy drive my car which still wont run right 2 months later? Thanx. Wait if U stop me from doing those things, will I still write this post? Probably not but then again maybe Im just crazy and there really isnt anything wrong with the car! And all the time I thought my wife was driving me crazy. Im so confused.

 

[Renthorin]

Mr. Rabbit, I regret to inform you I have spoken with my superiors and meddling in your time line is forbidden. You have some great part to play in the future and events must unfold as they have.

On a positive note, that rash does eventually go away.

 

[Brer Rabbit]

LMAO Thats great news.

Mr. Rabbit, I regret to inform you I have spoken with my superiors and meddling in your time line is forbidden. You have some great part to play in the future and events must unfold as they have.

On a positive note, that rash does eventually go away.

 

[Brocks GN]

can you go back and get me a new GNX?? That would be greaaatttt....

 

[turbo buicks]

This is a variation on the "Fermi Paradox" -- if advanced, extraterrestrial intelligent life exists, why aren't they here yet? Serious scientists have pondered this question.
Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My personal interpretation of the Fermi Paradox is that at any given historical epoch, there is probably only one advanced life form in our galaxy - a most depressing conclusion.

re Time Travel -
Time travel to the future is actually straightforward, albeit impractical -- for any object or person travelling at speeds near light-speed (186,000 miles per second) , time slows down. This has been experimentally proven for subatomic particles. In fact there is even a very tiny correction needed for Global Positioning System satellites, for them to maintain accuracy, even though the satellites are travelling no where near lightspeed.
Time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


oddly enough there seem to be no fundamental physical principles prohibiting time travel to the past, based on the science known today. But technologically it may be forever beyond our grasp. One of the fundamental constraints is that backward time travel could only occur as far back as when the time machine was first created.
Kip Thorne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

isnt everyone traveling into the future just by existing? also i thought since the einstein equation or whatever said that mass increases the closer to the speed of light u get and ultimately the speed of light would require an infinite mass that makes tme travel impossible. i dont neccesarily think it will never be done though. i really dont care about time travel tho as long as they come up with a way to go faster than light like warp speed. theres some pretty interesting stuff on this out there like folding space and what not but it all involves the use of "negative energy or exotic/dark matter" which hasnt been found yet altho i was watching the science channel and theyve found out that there is negative enegry or something out there which basically keeps the universe from collapsing in on itself

 

[Renthorin]

isnt everyone traveling into the future just by existing?

No, that would be traveling in the present. By the time you get to what you realize is the future it is the current time, not the future.

also i thought since the einstein equation or whatever said that mass increases the closer to the speed of light u get and ultimately the speed of light would require an infinite mass that makes tme travel impossible.

I won't go into that crazy-haired man's theories as they are some seriously wild stuff but I think people put too much emphasis on what he said and thought. It is as if he is/was the last great thinker and now there are no other possibilities. "if Einstien said it...." He is but one man and not too long ago the great 'minds' of the world thought the planet was flat.....

Maybe 100 years from now the next generation will look back and shake their heads and laugh before they jump into their warp ships.

I agree that time travel seems kind of pointless. Going back in the past would be downright dangerous unless it was to ONLY to hide and observe what 'really' happened. You must NOT change the past.

Going forward seems equally silly. What would there be to gain? You go forward and learn the cure for cancer....come back...create that cure in the present, 25 years before it will be discovered, and now the person who discovers the cure is no longer the person so it may no longer exists when you go forward to get it.....and the world implodes.

If you want to travel in time you can...today. Want to go back in time? Grab a history book and read.
Want to go forward? Turn off the television, put down the mouse or joystick, close your eyes and use that stuff between your ears and imagine a world as you see it.

Together.....we can make a difference. (wait...wrong soap box...)

 

[turbo buicks]

No, that would be traveling in the present. By the time you get to what you realize is the future it is the current time, not the future.

which is probably why many see past, present and future all linked as one

I won't go into that crazy-haired man's theories as they are some seriously wild stuff but I think people put too much emphasis on what he said and thought. It is as if he is/was the last great thinker and now there are no other possibilities. "if Einstien said it...." He is but one man and not too long ago the great 'minds' of the world thought the planet was flat..... Maybe 100 years from now the next generation will look back and shake their heads and laugh before they jump into their warp ships.

ya i was arguing that point (FTL travel) with a friend who's a physics major and he was gettn super pissed when i was sayin "you dont know everything so never say never", haha lmao

Going forward seems equally silly. What would there be to gain? You go forward and learn the cure for cancer....come back...create that cure in the present, 25 years before it will be discovered, and now the person who discovers the cure is no longer the person so it may no longer exists when you go forward to get it.....and the world implodes.

what? if you go forward once to get it, get it and come back and make it, what purpose would going forward to get it again serve as you already did that and it would have already existed for 25 yrs the 2nd time u go forward

If you want to travel in time you can...today. Want to go back in time? Grab a history book and read.
Want to go forward? Turn off the television, put down the mouse or joystick, close your eyes and use that stuff between your ears and imagine a world as you see it.

Together.....we can make a difference. (wait...wrong soap box...)

 

[Renthorin]

'"what? if you go forward once to get it, get it and come back and make it, what purpose would going forward to get it again serve as you already did that and it would have already existed for 25 yrs the 2nd time u go forward"

I think of it like this:

Person A finds cure for cancer in 2050
Person B finds way to travel into future and goes forward to 2050 to get cure and bring it back.

Cure for cancer is now 'found' in 2007.
Person A no longer finds cure for cancer in 2050

Can there be a cure found in 2050 like Person B brought back? No the cure is not there in 2050 because it was found in 2007...but only in 2007 because it was originally in 2050...

BANG....world ends....

 

[RUQWKNF]

At that point, "2007 cure" there would exist a paradox. Or some might say a Space Time shift where the person who went forward and got the cure, comes back. Now the person in 2050 who discovers the cure is on a separate time line. If that makes sense. It's questions and possiblities like this that boggle the mind, however with todays computing power, answers to these mind boggling situations are being crunched.
Has anyone ever wondered why the sudden up swing of todays movies with regards to Time Travel, UFOs, Aliens and the likes? Could it be that someone behind the scenes has been slowly conditioning the public so that when the startling revelations do become known, it's not such a big deal and we're used to it? Not only this, but also to help stir the publics interest and maybe kick start todays youth into thinking more outside of the box with regards to inventions, cures and non normally accepted theories.
To answer the question, how do you build a time machine, well, we have to crawl before we walk. Here's a possible scenario. NASA, in conjunction with USAF and US Navy develop better means of space travel utilizing Anti matter powered space craft. This allows us to travel to planets within our galaxy much faster than the normal rocket powered technology of today. Ok, so we explore our entire galaxy in the span of let's say 10 years. Then we venture to neighboring planets and discover unknown elements (UUP115) that will allow us to create anti gravity generators that allow us to over come the principles of physics. This will lead to the capability of dabeling with time travel.
But with all speculation aside, how do we know we don't already have these technologies now and are way ahead of the game, but they continue to be Black projects used only for Military purposes?
Anyone happen to catch the news the other day about the reported UFO sitings at O'Hare airport?
BTW, here is a very good movie that deals with this topic of discussion.
P R I M E R M O V I E

Less I digress.....

Patrick

 

[d0n_3d]

Come on...haven't you guys seen Back To The Future? That movie series explains down to a T what time travel is all about. The Doc is a genious and explains everything very well. We all need to get DeLoreans.

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

There arent time machines true.. but did you kate and leopold? Check it out. cool movie.

 

[wbrophy]

"There is no time or space" and if I were to explain, you would say; nothing could be so simple.

If you can think of it, it can be done.

PS: All things exist in the mind before the phyical.