Spooling of the 6152 Turbo???

[ReaL99]

I was thinking of upgrading my TE-44 Turbo in the future.I was wondering is the 6152 a new technology Turbo??? Also guys on another thread say that a 3200-3400 stall converter works best with this Turbther guys say a 2800 or 3000 is adequate.I like the 9.5 Vigilante converter's but don't know to get the 3200 or 3400 stall converter

 

[SGRIM]

Depends on if it is new 6152 with the new tech or a BB unit. Is this a street car mainly? If so 3000-3200 is max I would go... Alot of these spooling issues is effected by the tune. We have spooled a GTQ67 with a 2800....

 

[ReaL99]

Depends on if it is new 6152 with the new tech or a BB unit. Is this a street car mainly? If so 3000-3200 is max I would go... Alot of these spooling issues is effected by the tune. We have spooled a GTQ67 with a 2800....

Yeah probably for the street.I saw a post that unless cranking the boost up to 25 there wouldn't be much difference from the 6152 felt on the street with 17-18 lbs of Boost

 

[bison]

Yeah probably for the street.I saw a post that unless cranking the boost up to 25 there wouldn't be much difference from the 6152 felt on the street with 17-18 lbs of Boost

You are correct. The 3000 stall is plenty for a journal bearing 6152. You really need a good converter to spool it even if its BB. BB is a waste of $ on most of the smaller turbos with the converter tech these days.

 

[ReaL99]

You are correct. The 3000 stall is plenty for a journal bearing 6152. You really need a good converter to spool it even if its BB. BB is a waste of $ on most of the smaller turbos with the converter tech these days.

So is the 6152 just not as responsive on the street when comparing it to a Te-44.I eventually will be getting a Vigilante 9.5 inch 3200 L/ stall converter.Would this 6152 be just as responsive on the street as my Te-44 with the stock modified 12 inchh 3000 stall converter

 

[decarlo sloan]

A buddy of mines has a 6152 journal bearing turbo with a orange stripe 3k, and it spools alright. I personally think a 3200 9.5 would really wake it up tho. That 44 should work well with 2800-3000 as many people been running 44's with stock converters.

 

[ReaL99]

A buddy of mines has a 6152 journal bearing turbo with a orange stripe 3k, and it spools alright. I personally think a 3200 9.5 would really wake it up tho. That 44 should work well with 2800-3000 as many people been running 44's with stock converters.

My Te-44 spools ok but not instantly.Its my set up that probably affects the spooling.I have a Racegate at the middle of the crosspipe and I was told by Precision that a THDP would be much better for spooling.He said my actuator is so far from the Turbo and that is why it doesn't spool real fast.Im not sure on how different it would spool with a THDP.I am trying to learn about this 6152 which is supposed to be a great street Turbo.I don't know if its a bit laggy for my taste but I will be upgrading to a 9.5 3200 Vigilante single disc L/U stall converter at some point.I just wonder if the 6152 will be as responsive as my Te-44 with the new stall converter and THDP

 

[tford]

seems good enough for me

3200-3400 stall pats here with the 6152e and couldn't be happier. the converter was all of the difference in the world. I went the track and it spooled up between the first yellow and the green. about 3 seconds is all it takes and when you hit the gas, there is 0 lag.

 

[ReaL99]

3200-3400 stall pats here with the 6152e and couldn't be happier. the converter was all of the difference in the world. I went the track and it spooled up between the first yellow and the green. about 3 seconds is all it takes and when you hit the gas, there is 0 lag.

I only care how the car performs on the street.I may take the car once every 1 or 2 years to the track but I doubt I will race it.I'll probably just go and watch the Turbo Regals fight it out among themselves.Im like 10 miles away from Maple Grove Track in PA. I don't think going over 3200 is ideal for a typical street car though.I wonder with a 3200 stall would this Turbo be as responsive as my Te-44 with the stock but modified 3000 12 inch D5 I would just rather have all that torque and power without having to powerbrake it.I like having the fun on the street when there are no cars around.The 6152 seems to be getting popular as a street/strip Turbo but I just don't know if I am going to like it for the street.I do have Race cylinder heads but I have the stock cam.I was told awhile back that with my heads and intake I should go no smaller then a Te-60.I don't think the 6152 was around then.I had a 60-1 Turbo and talk about a laggy ass Turbo.It was like night and day switching to the Te-44 from the 60-1 and the car felt so much faster.Glad I got rid of that.That 60-1 spooled so slow.

 

[RKNTRBO]

I run the journal bearing 6152e with a West Coast 3200 L/u converter and it is
Very responsive on the street. Takes only a few seconds to get max boost, moving or sitting still. If I am driving at around 65mph and hit WOT I am doing over 100mph in a few seconds. From a dead stop, I raced a Cobra from the lights a few months ago and I hit full boost before he got into 2nd gear.

HTH

 

[ReaL99]

I run the journal bearing 6152e with a West Coast 3200 L/u converter and it is
Very responsive on the street. Takes only a few seconds to get max boost, moving or sitting still. If I am driving at around 65mph and hit WOT I am doing over 100mph in a few seconds. From a dead stop, I raced a Cobra from the lights a few months ago and I hit full boost before he got into 2nd gear.

HTH

Yeah it sounds like this Turbo may be for me.I just worried about it being laggy on the street.Instant Boost is really not needed and how can that be fun unless someone just likes to light the tires up.I just have to get rid of my old style Racegate and go with a THDP.Before or after I can add a new stall converter.

 

[Mr.Spool]

real99,you might like the 44 alot more with the better converter.refresh my memory on which exhaust housing is on the 44?at higher boost the 61 will make more power but will you run in the upper ranges to see the benifits?hate to see you spend $ on parts you may not feel.

 

[ReaL99]

real99,you might like the 44 alot more with the better converter.refresh my memory on which exhaust housing is on the 44?at higher boost the 61 will make more power but will you run in the upper ranges to see the benifits?hate to see you spend $ on parts you may not feel.[/QUOE]

I had a PTE .63 Housing on the Te-44 but changed it to a Garret .63 Housing.I like the power to be off Idle to maybe 80 or 90 mph.I probably should have kept the PTE .63 Housing though.No reason for me to up the boost any higher then 18 because it will be running on pump gas.

 

[bison]

So is the 6152 just not as responsive on the street when comparing it to a Te-44.I eventually will be getting a Vigilante 9.5 inch 3200 L/ stall converter.Would this 6152 be just as responsive on the street as my Te-44 with the stock modified 12 inchh 3000 stall converter

Heres real world info on the TE 44. I just helped a friend install a 9.5" inch AC lock up 2800 (2800 at zero boost/zero vacuum) stall converter in his TR. Its a tight 9.5" It had a TE44 on it with a Precision .63 exhaust housing. It was lazy with that converter/housing combo. I gave him one of my 44's with a Garrett .63 2 days ago to try and it is a total animal now. Night and day difference. Spool time is cut in half. The 6152 is nearly identical on spool up with the precision housing vs a 44 with a Precision housing in my observations and experiences. With 3000-3200 stall the 6152 or 44 with a Precision .63 housing will spool like lightning. Maybe if your 6152 is lazy with the .63 Precision housing you could have Precision open up a Garrett housing for the 6152 exhaust wheel. Im sure it would make a world of difference down low and not give up much at all up top. The converter really makes a difference in these situations. 400 rpm worth of stall speed really makes them come alive just as the swap to the Garrett .63 housing does. You need the Garrett housing with the 12" converter.

 

[bison]

Yeah it sounds like this Turbo may be for me.I just worried about it being laggy on the street.Instant Boost is really not needed and how can that be fun unless someone just likes to light the tires up.I just have to get rid of my old style Racegate and go with a THDP.Before or after I can add a new stall converter.

Keep the racegate. Save your $ for a better converter if you want to use the Precision housing.

 

[bison]

I run the journal bearing 6152e with a West Coast 3200 L/u converter and it is
Very responsive on the street. Takes only a few seconds to get max boost, moving or sitting still. If I am driving at around 65mph and hit WOT I am doing over 100mph in a few seconds. From a dead stop, I raced a Cobra from the lights a few months ago and I hit full boost before he got into 2nd gear.

HTH

IMO a few seconds is not fast. You would be better off with more stall or a Garrett .63. It will spool in one second like that.

 

[ReaL99]

Heres real world info on the TE 44. I just helped a friend install a 9.5" inch AC lock up 2800 (2800 at zero boost/zero vacuum) stall converter in his TR. Its a tight 9.5" It had a TE44 on it with a Precision .63 exhaust housing. It was lazy with that converter/housing combo. I gave him one of my 44's with a Garrett .63 2 days ago to try and it is a total animal now. Night and day difference. Spool time is cut in half. The 6152 is nearly identical on spool up with the precision housing vs a 44 with a Precision housing in my observations and experiences. With 3000-3200 stall the 6152 or 44 with a Precision .63 housing will spool like lightning. Maybe if your 6152 is lazy with the .63 Precision housing you could have Precision open up a Garrett housing for the 6152 exhaust wheel. Im sure it would make a world of difference down low and not give up much at all up top. The converter really makes a difference in these situations. 400 rpm worth of stall speed really makes them come alive just as the swap to the Garrett .63 housing does. You need the Garrett housing with the 12" converter.

The strange thing is that I sold the PTE .63 Housing for someone's .63 Garrret Housing.They gave me some extra money for the PTE Housing.So your saying that the 6152 spools identically with the Te-44 I always thought the bigger the Turbo the more lag.I definately need to change my whole waste gate setup because Im sure that has something to do with spooling.On the street with the Garret .63 housing the car gets sideways on the street and I have to get off the throttle.I did this from a dead stop with no burn out though.Actually the PTE .63 Housing hit just as hard but I didn't have to get off the gas.I have 3.73 Gear's but I run a 28 inch tall tire.I was thinking of the Vigilante 3200 9.5 Inch L/U converter.That seems to be a killer converter.I know Art Carr are great to but I don't know for a street car.

 

[ReaL99]

Keep the racegate. Save your $ for a better converter if you want to use the Precision housing.

Patrick at Precision told me that the Racegate was a terrible setup for someone who wants a faster spooling Turbo.Thing is a few years ago I took my car to a pro Buick shop for inspection.The guy who drove my car said the Turbo spooled fine.I believe he had the 3rd fastest Turbo Regal on a 8 inch wide tire.You may be right.I may just need a Converter to wake it up.

 

[ReaL99]

Right now I have a spare .63 Garret but no PTE .63 Housing with the Te-44 turbo.I didn't see a big difference in just switching out the Housings.The Garret does spool faster no doubt but in full boost when i hit 2nd gear I have to get off the throttle with the Garret being on the 44.I never had to do that with the PTE Housing.

 

[ReaL99]

I don't think the 6152 Turbo will be as responsive as the Te-44 is.I don't want to waste money and be unhappy with another Turbo.Im just going to add a 3200 9.5 inch Vigilante single disc L/U converter and put the PTE .63 Housing back on.I don't know if the PTE housings can be bought without buying a whole new turbo unit.