So you have everything that could pretty much end all controversy concerning Ted's motor and you don't post it because ........
Ted's XFI Experience
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So you have everything that could pretty much end all controversy concerning Ted's motor and you don't post it because ........
Dusty you are ignoring some warning signs too, hit the wall due to locking up like a little girl behind the wheel "bad driver warning sign". Repaired the car to hit the wall AGAIN! due to your "Red Neck Racing Back Yard Wrenching".:biggrin:
I already have the Red Neck Racing title. Nothing sucks worse than repeats.
Speaking of girls, what is this I hear about you pulling the fire bottles because you had fire coming out the exhaust? :biggrin:
System 1 does mkae a "shortie" filter that works if you remove the oil cooler. I had one on the car when I bought it. It eventually got too clogged up and I retired it, 12 years ago.
So you have everything that could pretty much end all controversy concerning Ted's motor and you don't post it because ........
Last I knew Ted sold his XFI,Testing it on any other than his unit would prove nothing to me
Really?? So if you put the same file on 10 different GNs that were all running perfectly and blew every single one of them up it wouldn't prove anything to you?? And they say people in the south are slow.
Seems like if it was a bad flash file it would show up on any XFI box. At least that is the way it works on just about every other EPROM on the planet. Espcially if it was something simple like an oddfire flag turned on.
From where I stand, it looks like you could clearly put Cal and yourself in the clear if the box is truely bad as FAST claims. I for one would like to see that so these accusations against you can stop.
It could be a case where the flash got corrupted during the email procedure. I have seen plenty of binary files get corrupted by a glitch during the email process. That would be good information for all FAST users to know.
As Fox Mulder always says: "The truth is out there"
This is a ridiculous statement. I guy loses a motor, you are given the order from Cal to load the flash, I was not watching you do this, I assumed Cals laptop was used, you confirmed it was yours. I would have to imagine if it was your motor blown up, you would have taken the time to find out what the hell happened. I mean HE IS THE TUNER ISN'T HE??? I guess my customer support theory is right on. It's all great when it goes his way, when it don't you better not hold him accountable to help.
Really?? So if you put the same file on 10 different GNs that were all running perfectly and blew every single one of them up it wouldn't prove anything to you?? And they say people in the south are slow.
Are you saying tht you wil make your car the test bed?
If so bring it up and ill load it in to your car,BUT you must re-enact the entire
situation if we are gonna play it out.
You cannot lift if you feel anything out of sorts
THEN if your motor blows apart the point will be proven.
And were will that lead us?
I don't think I would actually need to blow up the car to see if it is running oddfire or has a problem. Chances are if the flash got corrupted it may show up without even putting it on an ECM but once again we are a little slow in the south.
You not posting the truth tells me all I need to know!
I tried to honor John's request to keep things on topic. Unfortunately, my name keeps being brought back into it.
I have NEVER denied my belief Ted hurt his engine as a result of an XFI failure. When this happened we were using beta flash updates that no one else had. Ted was aware of this and told me that "none of this was my fault". At the time, I was pretty convinced it was a bad Flash update that hurt Ted's engine. I discussed this with Ted and Lance to try and figure out what happened. Lance sent me a new Flash to replace the one I thought was corrupted and asked me to destroy the old one in case it was bad (which I did).
Ted asked me to help him get some compensation for his broken engine or he was going to go public. I asked him what he wanted, he said 10 XFI systems I passed this information on to FAST and they said they wanted to see the ECU. Ted was reluctant to do this and things appeared to be at a stalemate. As time progressed, Ted began to get more frustrated and started blaming me for not doing enough. After enough time passed, Ted took the ecu to FAST (he lives relatively close) and Lance determined it to be a bad ecu and not the flash.
FWIW: Ted bought his XFI from someone else and I never charged him a dime for tuning his car. I did this out of friendship.
I have NEVER denied my belief Ted hurt his engine as a result of an XFI failure. When this happened we were using beta flash updates that no one else had. Ted was aware of this and told me that "none of this was my fault". At the time, I was pretty convinced it was a bad Flash update that hurt Ted's engine. I discussed this with Ted and Lance to try and figure out what happened. Lance sent me a new Flash to replace the one I thought was corrupted and asked me to destroy the old one in case it was bad (which I did).
Ted asked me to help him get some compensation for his broken engine or he was going to go public. I asked him what he wanted, he said 10 XFI systems
I passed this information on to FAST and they said they wanted to see the ECU. Ted was reluctant to do this and things appeared to be at a stalemate. As time progressed, Ted began to get more frustrated and started blaming me for not doing enough. After enough time passed, Ted took the ecu to FAST (he lives relatively close) and Lance determined it to be a bad ecu and not the flash.FWIW: Ted bought his XFI from someone else and I never charged him a dime for tuning his car. I did this out of friendship.
I tried to honor John's request to keep things on topic. Unfortunately, my name keeps being brought back into it.
I have NEVER denied my belief Ted hurt his engine as a result of an XFI failure. When this happened we were using beta flash updates that no one else had. Ted was aware of this and told me that "none of this was my fault". At the time, I was pretty convinced it was a bad Flash update that hurt Ted's engine. I discussed this with Ted and Lance to try and figure out what happened. Lance sent me a new Flash to replace the one I thought was corrupted and asked me to destroy the old one in case it was bad (which I did).
Ted asked me to help him get some compensation for his broken engine or he was going to go public. I asked him what he wanted, he said 10 XFI systems
FWIW: Ted bought his XFI from someone else and I never charged him a dime for tuning his car. I did this out of friendship.
You should inform the customer of the dangers of using a flash that was sent out the night before a event. You never stated we should check timing as you have stated in public that should be done and certainly never told me that there is no guarantee's the car will run the same as before. With this in the back of my mind I am certain I wouldn't have needed it explained in stick figures when I broke the beams that I should have lifted.
According to you FAST laughed when two systems were asked for (I would question if you ever even asked), the ten went down to two when I realized that I should eat some of the bill because the extent of the damage wasn't helped out my my decision. This is why I finished up my studies at the time to confirm what the box was doing. Like I told you it is my box not theirs and they will be given it when the time is right.
Why did you not send me this new flash Lance sent you?
That is a good one. You couldn't even do that for me? Lance told me at FAST it wasn't the flash, yet you are here stating it could be the flash. Now maybe you get it why I don't trust you and you know something you are not telling us.As far as a corrupt file, the flash has a checksum that the ecu confirms when loaded into it. If it doesn't confirm it won't run period. Not possible to have a corrupt file run according to Lance. I wonder if the guy that owns the other car that day believes that his box didn't confirm or that was a quick extinguish of another piece of evidence.
It is hard for me to believe that you haven't re-created or why you haven't the problem at some time with this flash and have already proven to yourself it was just that. That is why you keep pointing that way.
As Sully said, you have the tools and had the tools at your disposal to finish this up. If it was FAST then you did nothing wrong but install a flash that was sent to you by a engineer. I can relate this this situation, but that would incriminate Lance direct and I don't think you could do that, or you just made a honest mistake and Lance covered your a$$ for you. This could have been handled privately as severing a friendship and business relationship with you was not my intent, but unlike you I stand up for what is right and I was wronged.
Please answer these questions direct.
1. Was it the ECU or the Flash?
2. Was the wrong Flash sent to you/Otto?
3. Did you forward the flash to Otto's e-mail or did Lance send it to him direct on separate e-mail?
4. Please send me the beta flash #37 you told me you still had back after I went to FAST and Lance told you to destroy it.
I think the above requests are not unreasonable considering I am asking you for no compensation/or ever and I think you do hold accountability and so do others for what went down that day.
As far as a corrupt file, the flash has a checksum that the ecu confirms when loaded into it. If it doesn't confirm it won't run period. Not possible to have a corrupt file run according to Lance. I wonder if the guy that owns the other car that day believes that his box didn't confirm or that was a quick extinguish of another piece of evidence.
As far as checksums go, depending on the procedure used to create the checksum, if multiple bits get flipped then the resulting checksum could still be valid.
Sorry John. It looks like the thread will spiral a little further
I will answer these direct questions first, then respond to the others in another post with some direct questions of my own.
1. After it was tested by FAST it was determined to be the ecu.
2. The WRONG Flash was not sent to me. My initial impression was that the FLASH was bad.
3. Otto will have to answer this, but I believe he received it directly from Lance.
4. If I can find it, I will be more than happy to send it to you. If not, I will ask Lisa to order Otto to do it.
I will answer these direct questions first, then respond to the others in another post with some direct questions of my own.
1. After it was tested by FAST it was determined to be the ecu.
2. The WRONG Flash was not sent to me. My initial impression was that the FLASH was bad.
3. Otto will have to answer this, but I believe he received it directly from Lance.
4. If I can find it, I will be more than happy to send it to you. If not, I will ask Lisa to order Otto to do it.
1. We all know people have sent thier boxes in reported not working right, told they were working great only to be disappointed when they were not working when they got them back. I don't put a lot of merit in FAST at this point trusting their word to be gospel. If they can't fix the boxes, can they reliably tell if they are bad? That is why I am questioning it.
2. So you tested it then?
3. I'll await his response
4. You said you had it several monthes ago. I know I would keep that in a safe place even if I was ordered to destroy it. I still have one you sent me back in spring 06. I will expect a forwarded copy of the e-mail he got with who it came from and the exact copy of the program loaded in my car.
5. If it wasn't odd-fire and a wrong-defective flash then why was the odd-fire taken out of the code (per Lance)??
I emailed you a copy of Flash 37. I'm sure this still won't satisfy you.
I answer your questions and you respond with more....
1. I never had possession of your ecu to do any tests, FAST did. They have the ability to test it in ways which I can't. If they didn't find anything wrong, I doubt I will.
2. I just tested it. You can now do the same.
4. I have over 40 flash updates. Several of which were installed in your car. I have NEVER had a problem of this nature with any other Flash updates.
5. Once again, this is a question for FAST.
I answer your questions and you respond with more....
1. I never had possession of your ecu to do any tests, FAST did. They have the ability to test it in ways which I can't. If they didn't find anything wrong, I doubt I will.
2. I just tested it. You can now do the same.
4. I have over 40 flash updates. Several of which were installed in your car. I have NEVER had a problem of this nature with any other Flash updates.
5. Once again, this is a question for FAST.
you really have to remove the oil cooler to fit the shorty in there? I thought the shorty was the same length or less than a PF-24, which I thought fit ok with the Biggie adapter. But haven't tried it, so I dunno.
I didn't know the System1 filter element could get too clogged up to be cleaned and reused.
John
Sorry to inconvenience you with all the questions, but I think they are with just cause.
I have still not received the Flash. I will send you a e-mail to make sure it goes to the right place.
Only two flashes was installed my car, one with success (I installed it), the other not. The one I believe you used back in Reynolds 05 was used last spring. Never several not sure where that came from. I would agree this is a very interesting situation.
Still waiting for the forwarded e-mail from Otto since his is the one that was loaded in the car.
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