"The Passion" Open Mind View

[GNSCOTT]

Oh, and some would say that beleiving the bible to be an accurate account of history is simple minded. Some would argue the fact that God created Adam and Eve instead of what science has as evidence of human evolution, or that there is no way physically that Noa would be able to fir 1-100th of the animal species on the ark, or that there isn't even enough water on the planet earth to flood the continents is simple minded. Its a view, and judging by his fathers statements, i can see where Mel got his beleifs. I'm not saying what happened in the movie didn't happen because no one here was there. We all saw how they ripped apart history of Custards last heroic stand...NOT!

 

[2quiktocare]

As I said in my post, it is the account of what happened according to the Bible. Why is it that everyone wants to find a point of contention on this matter? My post was plainly worded and self- explanatory. As far as "many" accounts of the event, I am not aware of more than two other actual accounts of it, and they all are extremely similar, other than somewhat skewed due to the individuals personal biases in their writings.
The official Roman version dealt with it as a needed sentence for what they felt was an affront to the Emperor (their living god) and the Jewish version which sought to fend off public wrath for their part in setting up the crucifixion of one of their own people (remember Jesus was a Jew himself as were most of his followers).
Just wanted to clarify myself here was all.

Mark

 

[GNSCOTT]

..didn't know you meant hitorical fact according to the bible as oppsed to just historical fact. i apoligize.

 

[2quiktocare]

Well, actually the Bible is a history book. You don't have to go with the religion of it, but it is one of the earliest and most complete recordings of that part of the world. Another part about the Bible is that it is one of the first self help books ever written as well. A lot of great direction and guidance in living a less stressful and more moral life. That is all there even if you leave the religion out of it. The worst thing about Christianity is that it also has had it's share of zealots to overcome, but unlike the Kuran, the Bible teaches peace and understanding.


Mark

 

[Gasketman]

Originally posted by 2quiktocare
, but unlike the Kuran, the Bible teaches peace and understanding. Mark

Where did you get that.?? As Muslims warped the view of the Koran Christians warped the views of the bible. What's the difference between witch burning and the inquisition and Jihad.?

 

[GNSCOTT]

The Bible may be a history book, but it doesn't mean its an accurate one. Like I pointed out. The battle of Custards last stand was written that there was a great well fought battle when in fact it has been proven it was the opposite. I think the author/s of the Bible had a very good reason to be a little predjudice and self serving when they wrote it, the same as any religious book.

I have not studied the bible so I can't even say if Mel's movie is the only interpretation in the Bible, but I know its not the only interpretation in world history.

 

[NEARING]

Originally posted by Gasketman
Where did you get that.?? As Muslims warped the view of the Koran Christians warped the views of the bible. What's the difference between witch burning and the inquisition and Jihad.?

Last time I checked we had stopped burning witches and putting sticks up peoples butts.

 

[Gasketman]

Originally posted by NEARING
Last time I checked we had stopped burning witches and putting sticks up peoples butts.

We are getting off subject again. But as I turn on the news daily I don't here with burning anymore. But Men in the name of Karan or Bible still have Jihad's, Kill and rape children, Priest under the protection of there Pope still molest.Skinheads use Hitlers twisted view of the Bible. This is not Bible teaching as jihad is not Karan teaching. I don't know of anyone's scriptures that teach this. As Raven said, misguided men acting in the name of there religion.

 

[2quiktocare]

Gasketman, sounds like you really need to read more. Try reading the Koran, surah #9. It is the part that directs all muslims to rid the world of all non believers of Islam in the name of Allah. The Koran is "where I got that". Not some interpretation of it, but the actual book itself. Nowhere in the Bible are Christians directed to do anything but forgive and turn the other cheek, for God will extract all vengence on non believers.

As far as this getting off point, Where did you expect it to go with the comments you have been making? You think people will let you make your off base comments without restating fact?

Back to the point. The movie is based on historical fact and statements as recorded in the Bible. If you have trouble relying on those scriptures, that is where your problem is. At that point I guess you would be better off watching Star Wars of Star Trek. Your belief structure is better based in fantasy.

Mark

 

[GNSCOTT]

Back to the point. The movie is based on historical fact and statements as recorded in the Bible. If you have trouble relying on those scriptures, that is where your problem is. At that point I guess you would be better off watching Star Wars of Star Trek. Your belief structure is better based in fantasy

There ya go again. I don't say your stupid because you beleive the Bible. Don't insult people because they do not beleive in the Bible. You are saying people who do not beleive in the Bible should get their beleif structures from movies? That is not good behavior coming from a moderator. What is so crazy about someone not beleiving in Adam and eve when there is proof to the contrary, why is it so crazy to beleive that God flooded the Earth when there isn't enough water on Earth to do it? What is so crazy about not beleiving a man turned water into wine? Ya know what Mark, no one ever said you were crazy for beleiving in the Bible, so don't question others beleifs and tell them their beleif structure is better based in fantasy.

 

[2quiktocare]

You know Scott, it's kind of laughable you are making judgments on a book you have not read. That is the same problem the movie has encountered, people that have not even seen it were calling it anti Semitic.
The writers having slanted views? They we no more slanted than anything written since and I would tend to accept a lot more unbiased considering the level of commitment they had to the principles of God and then later to Jesus.

Mark

 

[GNSCOTT]

You know Scott, it's kind of laughable you are making judgments on a book you have not read. That is the same problem the movie has encountered, people that have not even seen it were calling it anti Semitic.

Wrong again. I have read the Bible, haven't studied it word for word, don't beleive it word for word. I am a prodestant, Baptised and beleive that Jesus Christ is our Lord and savior. What I do not do is tell people their personal beleifs are wrong, or that they are crazy and that everything in the Bible is fact. I have not seen the movie, problably won't see it because I feel Violence is worse than nudity or swearing. I had a hard time watching " Saving private Ryan" and I have heard this movie is worse violent wise.

The writers having slanted views? They we no more slanted than anything written since and I would tend to accept a lot more unbiased considering the level of commitment they had to the principles of God and then later to Jesus.

I agree that most of written history is slanted. I beleive that history written today is slanted. YOU can beleive whatever you want, just stop telling others their views are wrong and insulting them while doing it.

 

[2quiktocare]

All I have done is state my own views and have not downed anyone for what they think or tried to change anyones mind. If someone takes that as trying to change one's beliefs of forcing my views upon anyone, then there must be some doubt there. It is not for me or anyone to tell someone what to think, I am just here to make sure my side is represented as well.

 

[GNSCOTT]

Back to the point. The movie is based on historical fact and statements as recorded in the Bible. If you have trouble relying on those scriptures, that is where your problem is. At that point I guess you would be better off watching Star Wars of Star Trek. Your belief structure is better based in fantasy

First they have a problem because they may not beleive what the Bible says.

Because of that , their beleif structure is better based in fantasy.

There..i spelled it out for you.

 

[wiked87gn]

well i saw the movie the second day after it came out and all i can say is, if the punishment he endured was anywhere close to what the movie depicts i feel sorry for that man ( JESUS), it was atrocious what they did to him, and it was done because his own people wanted it done, they say that the movie will not promote ANTI SEMITISH, <----- excuse if not spelled right, but it does, if you are a Hardcore christan or catholic for that matter you will come out of that movie wanting to Kill every jew that walks the earth, all i can say is religion is one twisted subject just like politics but much much worst, i stay away from both and decline to make any more comments.

 

[Raven]

Again?

Ok...

First of all, any and all books are/were written by men, including the History books of today and the Bible. However, there are numerous facts within the Bible that HAVE been proven, including evidence of the great flood just like there is proof of past historical events within the common history book.

You can choose to believe it or not, that IS your choice and certainly your God-given right. If you choose to believe that the Bible is God's word, written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit, that is your right. If you choose to deny those facts, then that is your right too.

But the Bible should not be viewed as any old history book - it is so much more than that. It tells us how to live as Christians and the way we are to treat others, including those who disagree with us. I can assure you - it does NOT tell us to attack those that disagree with us; rather, it instructs us to love them.

Some of the saved AND the UNsaved BOTH here should consider those instructions - love one another.

The Bible also tells us what the results of sin are; how we can avoid those pitfalls, how to help one another walk the straight and narrow, what happens to those with false religion, why men will boast about their faith and lose it all, why we have churches, why we should assemble there on a regular basis, and on and on and on and on.... The Bible is SO much more than just a common history book! I encourage you to read it and see for yourself.

Oh, and one more thing - it is not "Custards Last Stand"; it is Custer's Last Stand. It kind of sounded like a frozen yogurt business the way it was spelled out.

 

[wlaukaitis]

THE Instruction manual for life.

 

[84GNPILE]

Haven't seen the movie yet, but unlike all the other pointless,plotless,weak,moneymaking, crap movies that are made today, this one looks like a gem............Wether you beleive in anything or nothing, this movie makes everyone who sees it at least think about his/her religious or spiritual faith.........wich is more than any of the churches have been able to do as of late.

I'M also curious as to Mel Gibson's motivation behind this movie....I don't follow(worship,idolize,envy,???) actors, but I've never heard of him being a religious person.But I have heard that his father is a holocost denier...wich is just bizzare to me.

And if this movie is anti-semitic, would the fact that he has a career in Jewish controlled industry be a motivating factor in making it an anti-semitic movie??

regardless of all the crap that is surrounding this movie---yes I said movie, not DOCUMENTORY, NOT BIBLICAL TRANSLATION, but MOVIE, it provokes thought and introspective into ones self, as well as thought about how we treat each other, and I wish more movies were being made that did the same...

 

[NEARING]

I've been trying to see the movie but everywhere I go it's sold out 24 hrs in advance!

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by Gasketman
I will go see it in a few weeks. But It's "Hollywood" as it's best. Fiction movies of this caliper and like Stars Wars or Jedi movies are always box office hits. I must say it got everyone thinking good or bad. That's good too.

Star Wars fiction? As Darth Vader said, "I find your lack of faith disturbing." [Uses Force Choke]