Timing Chain set installation Procedure

[GNONYX]

Hi all, Can someone please tell me the better way of replacing the timing gears on 87' GN?
Do I have to remove the oil pump, and water pump, of just leave them on the timing chain cover?
Do I also have to remove the oil pan?
I did read the manual but it don't give a complete breakdown on just replacing the timing gears.
Any inputs would be appreciate, Thanks

 

[turbojd]

This might help you Timing Chain Replacement

 

[GNONYX]

This might help you Timing Chain Replacement

Thanks for this site, but now after reading this, I do have some questions:
In removing the cam sensor I might as well replace this sensor since at start up I hear a ticking noise and disappearing after the engine has warm up. If I do replace this sensor and place it in the saw position as it came off, do I have to make any adjustment after?
Also when site claimed to (Replace the timing chain and gears with a high quality unit, purchase the updates "roller" type cam button) What is "roller" type cam button?

 

[turbojd]

Check out this site Cam Sensor

 

[turbojd]

If you use NAPA for the "roller cam button" I believe the part# is NTP 95189

 

[turbo nasty]

Put some assembly lube on the chain and gears as well

 

[GNONYX]

If you use NAPA for the "roller cam button" I believe the part# is NTP 95189

Can you give me more definition of what is the function, purpose, where it's location, how to install the "roller cam button!!!

 

[pacecarta]

Put some assembly lube on the chain and gears as well

no just soak it in oil

the cam buttom has a spring on it and it twists onto the end of the cam , it keeps the cam in position
stock was a spring but it only had a hard nylon cap on it where it rides on the aluminum timing cover
over time that button wears the timing cover and leaves a point in the center
if your cover is pointed youll need to grind it flat before you run the new roller button
the new rollerized button wont wear the cover
make sure it doesnt fall when you put the cover on

 

[GNONYX]

no just soak it in oil

the cam buttom has a spring on it and it twists onto the end of the cam , it keeps the cam in position
stock was a spring but it only had a hard nylon cap on it where it rides on the aluminum timing cover
over time that button wears the timing cover and leaves a point in the center
if your cover is pointed youll need to grind it flat before you run the new roller button
the new rollerized button wont wear the cover
make sure it doesnt fall when you put the cover on

Thanks, now I understand where it goes
For a stock engine, should I get a replacement timing chain set or get a double Roller Timing Set?

 

[turbo nasty]

no just soak it in oil

"No".

There is no downside to using assembly lube on the chain and gears, in fact it is recommended. Assembly lube is used with new wear surfaces thats what its designed for. It will be a much higher level of protection for the chain and gears to seat and wear in during initial start up vs. just plain motor oil.
Common practice in industry and engine building

 

[turbojd]

For a stock engine, should I get a replacement timing chain set or get a double Roller Timing Set?

It's your choice, but for a basically stock engine you could go with a good single roller chain.

 

[GNONYX]

For a stock engine, should I get a replacement timing chain set or get a double Roller Timing Set?

It's your choice, but for a basically stock engine you could go with a good single roller chain.

I have look thorough allot of vender's in trying to find a single billet sprocket roller chain. It seems only the double roller sprockets are made of steel/billet sprockets. Can anyone has any idea of where can I can a single roller chain with billet sprockets?
Summit has this type, but I don't understand the description of double roller yet the picture shows single spocket. Is there something I'm missing? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CLO-C-3018K/?rtype=10
Thanks

 

[1KWIKSIX]

TA Performance offers a timing set with stock style single row "silent" chain that uses a tensioner and has billet steel gears .

Nick Micale at Arizona GN can supply these for you as well!

 

[GNONYX]

TA Performance offers a timing set with stock style single row "silent" chain that uses a tensioner and has billet steel gears .

Nick Micale at Arizona GN can supply these for you as well!

Hi Davpar, I did look into TA and if you look into their site Stock Replacement Timing Chain and Gear Sets, 78-89 V6 STOCK REPLCMNT T/SET, TA_V1521 | TAPerformance.com the gears sets description claimed to be all high tensile strength cast iron not billet steel gears.

 

[Royal-T-Ltd]

Hi Davpar, I did look into TA and if you look into their site Stock Replacement Timing Chain and Gear Sets, 78-89 V6 STOCK REPLCMNT T/SET, TA_V1521 | TAPerformance.com the gears sets description claimed to be all high tensile strength cast iron not billet steel gears.

thats the wrong one you are looking at.... I will post the link when i find it.

aaron

I think it is this one ------> http://www.taperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=TA_V1522A

 

[GNONYX]

thats the wrong one you are looking at.... I will post the link when i find it.

aaron

I think it is this one ------> Performance & Double Row Timing Sets, `60-`87 Odd-fire V6, 215-300-340-350 High Performance Silent 9 Key Timing Set, TA_V1522A | TAPerformance.com

Thanks for the info

 

[1KWIKSIX]

#TA V1522B Billet Steel Timing Gear Set with single style silent chain & tensioner

thats the wrong one you are looking at.... I will post the link when i find it.

aaron

I think it is this one ------> Performance & Double Row Timing Sets, `60-`87 Odd-fire V6, 215-300-340-350 High Performance Silent 9 Key Timing Set, TA_V1522A | TAPerformance.com

Here's another link with Mike from TA Performance describing this set up.

Give TA Performance a call or Nick Micale at Arizona GN.


dave

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/ad...nce-steel-billet-9-key-timing-chain-sets.html

New High Performance Steel Billet 9 key Timing Chain Sets
Hey everybody, we just got in our new New High Performance Steel Billet Timing Chain Sets. These sets use a stock type timing chain (which is quieter than a double roller chain) and allows you to retain your stock chain tensioner. It also has 9 keyways to allow the cam to be precisely degreed compared to a stock type timing set. Lastly the gears are machined out of steel billet for increased strength compared to cast iron. These will be priced $30 less and are a great alternative to the Steel Billet Double Roller Timing Sets. We have them in 2 versions, one for even-fire engines and one for odd-fire engines. Hydraulic roller, flat tappet and stock cams are recommend with these sets.

TA V1522A `60-`87 Odd-fire V6-215-300-340-350 High Performance Silent 9-Key Timing Set ..... $115.00
TA V1522B `60-`87 Even-fire V6 High Performance Silent 9-Key Timing Set ............................. $115.00

----------------------------------- TA V1522A --------------------------------------------------------------- TA V1522B ---------------------------------

 

[GNONYX]

Here's another link with Mike from TA Performance describing this set up.

Give TA Performance a call or Nick Micale at Arizona GN.


dave

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/ad...nce-steel-billet-9-key-timing-chain-sets.html

New High Performance Steel Billet 9 key Timing Chain Sets
Hey everybody, we just got in our new New High Performance Steel Billet Timing Chain Sets. These sets use a stock type timing chain (which is quieter than a double roller chain) and allows you to retain your stock chain tensioner. It also has 9 keyways to allow the cam to be precisely degreed compared to a stock type timing set. Lastly the gears are machined out of steel billet for increased strength compared to cast iron. These will be priced $30 less and are a great alternative to the Steel Billet Double Roller Timing Sets. We have them in 2 versions, one for even-fire engines and one for odd-fire engines. Hydraulic roller, flat tappet and stock cams are recommend with these sets.

TA V1522A `60-`87 Odd-fire V6-215-300-340-350 High Performance Silent 9-Key Timing Set ..... $115.00
TA V1522B `60-`87 Even-fire V6 High Performance Silent 9-Key Timing Set ............................. $115.00

----------------------------------- TA V1522A --------------------------------------------------------------- TA V1522B ---------------------------------

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Thanks for info Dave, But can tell me the purpose of having multi key slots on the crankshft gear? Also would changing the slot this help in performance for a stock engine?

 

[GNONYX]

thanks for info dave, but can tell me the purpose of having multi key slots on the crankshft gear? Also would changing the slot this help in performance for a stock engine?

anyone!!!

 

[turbo nasty]

Multi key slots are for retarding and advancing the cam. Stock cam just line the marks and rock on. Do some research