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What is the average T/C slip on todays new converters?
On 2600-2800 stall 10 inch?
On 2600-2800 stall 12 inch?
 
Haha...well my Precision slipped about 22-24% on the big end. My PTC which spools the turbo even faster on the line slips less than 7% on the big end. (all in the same car)

That same Precision in a car with 150 less horsepower will probably be reasonably OK. Maybe 12% or so.. if I'm lucky...

Keep in mind that better converters will also reel in your automatic shift RPM. With a sloppy converter, engine may shift at 5700 or so. The same setup with a good converter may shift closer to 5200. You'll have to dial in the valve body and governor combo to get what you want out of it. The real benefit to that is that the car will hold the lower gear ratios for higher vehicle speeds and it will be quicker, cus 1st and 2nd pull harder than 3rd.
 
What is the average T/C slip on todays new converters?
On 2600-2800 stall 10 inch?
On 2600-2800 stall 12 inch?
You really need to define "new converters". Most converters are built with off the shelf parts that work at an acceptable level for lower hp. The answer id give otherwise on the examples you gave is simply too much for a car looking to maximize performance. The only converters ive seen that had acceptable slip for drag racing with 10 sec or faster power imo are all custom converters such as the 9.5" PTC, ATI, and Bradco. The price typically reflects the performance. The PTC i had in my black car slipped about 3.5% @140mph. I have not seen a 10" that will meet the needs of 10 sec power without excessive slip and a 12" would be for a nearly stock car and likely slip a bunch with any power if it stalled to 2800.
 
Now we are talking.

The target is 11.50s with a race weight of 3800-3900 pounds WITH a fat driver in it.

Help me out here
the reason I am asking is because I am going to be buying a TC soon and I want to replace my rear gears and when using the "calculators" I have been getting some great numbers until I remembered that I need to factor in Converter slip% into the equations. I am trying to figure out what my RPM would be at the end of the 1/4.
So am I asking the right question?
On the HWY I am not too concerned because I am retaining the L/U.

thanks a lot guys
and BTW new= if i bought one in the next few weeks
 
Now we are talking.

The target is 11.50s with a race weight of 3800-3900 pounds WITH a fat driver in it.

Help me out here
the reason I am asking is because I am going to be buying a TC soon and I want to replace my rear gears and when using the "calculators" I have been getting some great numbers until I remembered that I need to factor in Converter slip% into the equations. I am trying to figure out what my RPM would be at the end of the 1/4.
So am I asking the right question?
On the HWY I am not too concerned because I am retaining the L/U.

thanks a lot guys
and BTW new= if i bought one in the next few weeks

Post your combo, boost/timing and fuel used so we can tell you more. Will you be locking at WOT? If not you are leaving a lot on the line in that heavy car with the power needed to go 11.50's easily. Id look into a 9/11.
 
Post your combo, boost/timing and fuel used so we can tell you more. Will you be locking at WOT? If not you are leaving a lot on the line in that heavy car with the power needed to go 11.50's easily. Id look into a 9/11.

25-30 psi with Alky
what ever Eric set the timing on the 93 alky chip
PTE-6031 Garret hot housing.
Duck neck
not going to lock it up at WOT.

what i am mainly looking for is information to help me decide on gears.
This is what i am getting from the calculators with NO TC slip

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.08, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 4776

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.23, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5008

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.42, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5303

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.55, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5505

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.73, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5784

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.73, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5784

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.42, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 27"= 5107

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.55, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 27"= 5301

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.73, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 27"= 5570

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.42, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 28"= 4924

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.55, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 28"= 5112

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.73, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 28"= 5371
 
25-30 psi with Alky
what ever Eric set the timing on the 93 alky chip
PTE-6031 Garret hot housing.
Duck neck
not going to lock it up at WOT.

what i am mainly looking for is information to help me decide on gears.
This is what i am getting from the calculators with NO TC slip

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.08, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 4776

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.23, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5008

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.42, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5303

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.55, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5505

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.73, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5784

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.73, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 26"= 5784

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.42, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 27"= 5107

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.55, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 27"= 5301

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.73, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 27"= 5570

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.42, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 28"= 4924

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.55, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 28"= 5112

MPH 120, Axle ratio 3.73, trans 1.00 and tire diameter 28"= 5371
If your going to go 11.50 you only need about 115mph. Id go 3.55 and a 28" measured tire. Not locking it throws the nice chart you just posted completely out of the question. Plan on crossing the traps at at least 5400 if you arent locking it. For 10% just add that percent to the mph for each gear/tire combo. You will likely be over 10% slip though. The less numerical gear you run at the same power the higher the slip% will be at all ranges throughout the quarter. I doubt you will ever be able to hit 120mph in the quarter without locking the converter unless you go with ported heads which will work the converter even harder up top. You should really consider a nice 9.5" PTC for that heavy car with minimal top end work done to the engine. Trying to run high boost with stock heads and small cam equals a lot of work for the converter. Slip % will be very high unless you are locking at WOT or run a good NL.
 
What is the average T/C slip on todays new converters?
On 2600-2800 stall 10 inch?
On 2600-2800 stall 12 inch?

I haven't gotten any feedback from the customers with the 2400 stall 10" converters. I know they work well but I don't have any slip info.

Just to address your original question. There is no such thing as a 2600-2800 stall 12" converter unless we're talking stall at 5# of boost. To get a 12" converter to stall 2800 rpm would require a very negative fin angle and it would be terrible in 3rd gear. The 12" converters that work well are restalled D5's and they stall about 2000-2200 at 0 boost. This converter will have less slip in 3rd gear than any 10" converter.

To stay with a lock-up converter, run it un-locked and achieve your goals your looking for a converter that will barely meet your spooling needs. It would have to be a restalled D5 or a 2200-2400 stall 10" converter. Since it's a trade off, you would have to give up a very quick spool of a 2800 stall for a more efficient 2400 stall.
 
I have a 2400 l/u I went through my notes and if my calcs are correct I had a pass with 11.59%. I'm pretty sure I had some high 9%'s also.

HTH
 
Sorry, this is what I went through last year, the wallace calc has me slipping 8.19%. The tci is higher? I hope its not just me. BTW this is unlocked!
 
I have a 2400 l/u I went through my notes and if my calcs are correct I had a pass with 11.59%. I'm pretty sure I had some high 9%'s also.

HTH

Thanks for the feedback. How would you say the spool-up is with your turbo? What rpm are you shifting at?
 
Thanks for the awesome converter. I let it shift itself @ 5284. As far as spool its instant, I am waiting to get a 2 step and that should help me control it off the line.
 
Thanks for the awesome converter. I let it shift itself @ 5284. As far as spool its instant, I am waiting to get a 2 step and that should help me control it off the line.

What did the car et and mph?

That's great feedback and the slip looks good, especially considering the low shift rpm needed with combos like yours. I feel very confident I can get a 10" converter to stall near 2200 rpm and spool the 58-61mm turbos very quickly.
 
My best last year was 11.994 @112.59 with a poor 1.843 60, through the mufflers, in drive, launching @ 4lbs. When I get my 60's where they should be it will et where I want it. I dont have a lot of seat time in this car so I'm having fun putting laps on it. The 2 step will be great.
 
My best last year was 11.994 @112.59 with a poor 1.843 60, through the mufflers, in drive, launching @ 4lbs. When I get my 60's where they should be it will et where I want it. I dont have a lot of seat time in this car so I'm having fun putting laps on it. The 2 step will be great.

Good luck with it.
 
Dusty Bradford
Going with Bison’s suggestion of 3.55 Gear and 28” tire combo how would or should a 10” like ts87ttype’s work on my car?

Also how would future increase in HP affect the stall?
 
Dusty Bradford
Going with Bison’s suggestion of 3.55 Gear and 28” tire combo how would or should a 10” like ts87ttype’s work on my car?

Also how would future increase in HP affect the stall?

What does the car weigh and what rpm do you plan to shift at?

The 3.55 gear and a higher shiftpoint than 5200 will both increase efficiency. More power applied and a heavier car will decrease efficiency. It could be a wash so you'd see no difference in efficiency but it depends on the other factors. If you just wanted to guess at an efficiency number for your calculations I'd guess somewhere in the 10%-14% range.
 
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