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SignUp Now!Originally posted by TurboMike
Study Jewish Customs and law and you will understand those verse.
tuphlos hodegeo tuphlos
Originally posted by QuickWE4
Everybody seems to be overlooking one piece of that story....
RATS IN A BLENDER?
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD MAN.
I think I'd rather commit suicide than drink a rat milkshake.
I say let the dude off himself. One less person in this world to have to feed.
Rich
Originally posted by TurboMike
of course i have alot of replies but really don't have the time right now, but will do so later.
Just a quick question, does anyone remember the very deep (and civilized) debates concerning religion and the exsistence of God that we had on here that went on for about a month? It was a couple years ago i think. Anyone remember...just curious.
Originally posted by TurboMike
Study Jewish Customs and law and you will understand those verse.
tuphlos hodegeo tuphlos
Originally posted by ncgreg231
I am asking this mainly to TurboMike.
(10:14pm) Certainly, there will be some that think I'm completely insane. And during my moments that take up 5% of the time, I feel the same way. In my contemplations of this, this belief could be expanded to say that not only these decisions were predestined, but everything in between - my decision to have a hamburger instead of a salad (or vice versa thanks to mad cow?) The tree root that I didn't see and tripped over. Or maybe the fact that I did see the tree root and avoided it (but maybe THAT detail might have escaped my memory because it wasn't significant enough?)
Maybe someone can correct this quote (as well as include the location in the bible?) God says something like "Even before you were born, I knew you."
(10:20pm) What this means to ME is that God was saying I knew you were going to be a boy, or a girl, and you were going to be born in Bethlehem, or Atlanta, or Moscow, and you would grow up and be a math teacher, or a plumber and you would get married when you were 27 years old, and on Tuesday, November the 4th, you would have a turkey sandwich and applesauce with kool aid for lunch.Does this not sound crazy to anyone?
But then here's the real kicker - how can a person believe this, and believe in free will at the same time? Sometime in my future, I'm might have to chose between two jobs that I have applied for. Maybe only one application will turn into a job offer, maybe it will be neither. But I believe the outcome has already been determined. I do not yet know what it is. If this does turn out to be a case of a choice between the two job offers, God already knows what my choice will be. I might give it a lot of thought, or instead, I might decide immediately. I might not have any choice at all. I will not know what will happen until it happens. But it causes my great constipation to believe that god already knows what my choice will be!
So how is it that I really have free will? (this is in my own perspective, in any case)
(message has been submitted before completion, further thinking & typing continues as of right now, with additional words soon to be added)
10:29pm - completed.
I decided to add that my current belief is that "free will" is an illusion - we (myself included) feel we have free will, but if the truth were known, we don't really have free will. sound crazy to you?![]()
Originally posted by TurboMike . What if the GPS showed you that taking the road to the right would take you were you wanted to go, but that road was dirt, and full of holes.
The road to the left was fresh pavement. Which road would you take? The obvious answer would be the dirt road because it's the right road, but many still wouldn't because it's harder. (Matthew 7:14)
When you come to the fork of the road in life YOU have to decide which road to take. If you pray for guidance God will show/help you make the right decision. Is he making the decision for you? No. Is he guiding you? I hope so.
I hope this makes sense.
Originally posted by turbo
Does this make sense?
Six people stop their car at the fork in the road. They pray for guidance that god will show/help them make the right decision. You hope he's guiding them...he's supposed to.
They drive down the road and as they round a curve a man with an uzi is in the road and opens fire, killing everyone in the car. Oops maybe god wanted everyone to have free will in killing anyone they want.
What if they went down the other road? There was another guy with an uzi down that road who was going to kill anyone in his site. Why would god allow killing? Is it because he says, "I just want them to have free will and if that means blasting the s!it out of each other, so be it!
Something is wrong in this picture. EXPLAIN THE SCENARIO, PLEASE! No one can, without some hocus-pocus faith-driven explanation.
Religion/scriptures are man made. It's Money. If a person can believe and have faith, anything can be sold to whomever.
We should not have free will to kill one another!!! Just my opinion.
Happy Holidays!![]()
Originally posted by TurboMike
So according to your theology God should only let people make good decisions and not bad ones?
To sorta answer your question... if either person on either road was NOT allowed the decision to pull the trigger, then there is NO free will for anyone and we're just puppets. Maybe God would have not told them to go down any road and just "be still.." Psalm 46:10
Originally posted by turbo
Bad decisions are OK. .....! I'm saying free will in everything BUT KILLING.
Killing = bad decision.....shouldn't be included as a freedom of choice. You want freedom to choose between killing a person and not killing a person? Why?
So robbery, rape, and child molestation would be ok, just don't give us the choice of killing??
You're saying that having NO free will in the matter of killing someone, would make you feel like a puppet? I don't want to believe that. If I am denied ANY part of freewill I do NOT have freewill.
I think the proverbs, Psalms, etc, need to be revisited and re-evaluted.
Why is that? Some of the most beautiful poetry in the world come from the Psalms and Proverbs. Have you read them?
Like I said faith is the only thing holding that kind of logic together.
No, logic is what is holding the faith together.
Originally posted by plowboy72
But I have. So knowing that I will WALK beside him in the kingdom of heaven is enough to keep me going everyday. So if you still don't agree trade places with me for 30 days. I've got an extra wheelchair. Hows that for proof you can see? Are you willing to trade places with a crippled man to see the light? Think about it.