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SignUp Now!I've pointed to definitions, examples and explanations of a LIE and how your assertion GWB lied is dead wrong. But, for whatever reason you ignore overwhelming evidence to the contrary. You're right, I'm not an attorney but have court room experience. Your level of proof of a LIE is so far down the scale your case would be thrown out in minutes. I contend most Americans don't believe the President lied either, which puts you in the minority.Originally posted by 1QWIK6
Well I'm no lawyer, and I DOUBT TTA is... BUT it seems to me, when you go to war, you'd better have a good reason. WMD/IMMINENT THREAT seemed to be a good reason, but uh oh... it was a lie.
According to your logic, anytime someone is wrong using the best available information they lied. This would include:Originally posted by 1QWIK6
WMD/IMMINENT THREAT seemed to be a good reason, but uh oh... it was a lie.
I appreciate your attempt at stereotyping those that disagree with you. However, I certainly do not have "A.D.D." (don't even believe in it), but I will agree that Ted Kennedy spins quite a left-wing agenda. You do not? Ok.Originally posted by 1QWIK6
Sigh... ANOTHER A.D.D. person.. "Left-wing,liberal-spin,Ted Kennedy"...
Actually, I asked for the link. What I didn't ask for was one quote from a newspaper. Let's go one further.....go read the text of his Jan 2003 State of the Union address and (again) show me where he said that Iraq was an imminent threat. Do that, and I'll shut up about it.Los Angeles Times January 29, 2003
THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS; Bush Calls Iraq Imminent Threat
The above front-page headline in the L.A. Times is the earliest media report that I can find which claims that the administration called Iraq an imminent threat.
Hmmm....was that taken from an editorial? Do you know what an editorial is? Regardless, that statement contridicts your first quote. Let me know if you need me to explain how this is so.San Francisco Chronicle February 6, 2003
For all the damning evidence of Hussein's tyranny and evil ambitions -- neither of which has been in doubt since the Persian Gulf War -- Powell did not show that Iraq amounted to an imminent threat to the United States.
Robert Scheer in the Los Angeles Times March 4, 2003
The second lie was that Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction represent an imminent threat to U.S. security.
See line above about "editorial" and then go look up the word "opinion". We all have em, and we all know what they smell like. We also know that opinion is not fact.Paul Krugman in the New York Times June 3, 2003
The public was told that Saddam posed an imminent threat. If that claim was fraudulent, the selling of the war is arguably the worst scandal in American political history - worse than Watergate, worse than the Iran-contra affair. Indeed, the idea that Americans were deceived into war makes many commentators so uncomfortable that they refuse to admit the possibility.
LOL. Young whippersnapper, I did not state that the "vast majority" of the world supported the war. I stated that the "vast majority" of the world had concluded that Iraq possed WMD. Even France. Even Germany. And - OMG - even Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy and all the left-wingers that bent over backwards to oppose something that they thought they could win political points from. Imagine that.The "vast majority" of the rest of the world? Please do an EXCEL spread sheet and show me those nations who supported the war vs. nations that DIDN'T support the war... Or at least find someone who can do it for you.
North Korea is most certainly a serious problem, and I would certainly consider it a major threat. You're welcome to argue that we should have cracked that (much, much tougher) nut first, but I disagree. Regardless, it can't all be done at once.BTW:... North Korea isn't a MAJOR threat vs IRAQ?!
Your welcome to your opinion, and if you wish to stick your head in the sand (appropriate, I think), that's ok with me.Really? or wast it G.W.Bush told D!ck to FIND A LINK TO AL qaeda?
Sorry, you lost me there. I've lived all over this country and even in other countries. You completely and totally missed the point of my question. Perhaps I should be more direct? Ok. Are you of Middle East decent? I have no beef with you if you are or are not, I'm just curious.YEEEEEEEEHAW... Now.. in the southern most slang.. I need you to say "That's the way I grew up- That's the way I'm gonna b"
I know southern people tend to be the MOST educated too..
North Korea is most certainly a serious problem, and I would certainly consider it a major threat. You're welcome to argue that we should have cracked that (much, much tougher) nut first, but I disagree. Regardless, it can't all be done at once.
Originally posted by onefastjackass
When are you people ever gonna learn that no self respecting republican is ever going to admit that one of the people they support ever misled or lied.
They have always and will always justify and twist things so the person they are supporting has done no wrong.
It has been that way since the beginning.
Anytime one of there guys messes up or lies then he still did the correct thing.
Or it was the correct thing to do for some other reason
And anytime a democrat messes up then they are gonna make a big deal out of it no matter how small the issue is.
Heck they are even trying to discredit someone who was actually in Nam instead of back home campagning.
Because the piece of shrapnel he had in him was too small.
You are never going to convince them! So you might as well just drop it!!
Originally posted by 1QWIK6
Well I'm no lawyer, and I DOUBT TTA is... BUT it seems to me, when you go to war, you'd better have a good reason. WMD/IMMINENT THREAT seemed to be a good reason, but uh oh... it was a lie.
OK lets me answer this like a repub would and then like a democrat and see if red t can see the difference.Originally posted by Red Regal T
Oh, and the guy who was actually in Nam? Glad you mentioned him. He came home and got in bed with Jane Fonda, calling his comrades in arms, WAR CRIMINALS. That's a pretty small mistake. He's your hero? SHAME!
LOL. Ok - color me blind, shipmate. BTW....wasn't it you that said this about a year ago?Originally posted by Foolis
Yea, and GDB chose Iraq over a country that flaunts its WMD programs..........Nice!
Its about Oil, Money and Daddy. If you csn't see that, you, IMHO, are blind.
Wth reaspect.
BT
Originally posted by Foolis
Yes, I was 100% fooled by GDB and his posse of republican's WMD smokecreen.
Yes, I was 100% fooled by GWB and his posse of republican's WMD smokecreen. Colin Powells BS sat pix, the whole ball of wax
Powell was against the war from day one. But as a good soldier does, he backed his commanding officer, as he should.
You keep trying to make this a Rep vs Dem debate, both sides are throwing rhetoric back and forth and its absurd. I'm speaking from my experience and my personal beliefs.....not a rep...not a dem. I disassociated myself from these parties for this exact behavior. What Americans should be thinking is "Whats good for America not whats good for the party".
The Bush administration has bent the truth to push their agenda. Previous administrations have done the same to push their agendas. My personal opinion is that it was a huge mistake to attack Iraq. We attacked Iraq because we were lead to "believe" that they were a threat to the U.S. I havent seen or heard ONE legitimate reason that made them a threat.
"They were a threat to their neighbors"? Saddam's army was destroyed in Desert Storm..Who was he going to attack? Iran would have kicked his butt, he wouldnt have dared to attack Kuwait again. Its all political hype to give substance to the invasion. "He had WMD's? 20 years ago he did. Show me a major middle eastern country that isnt developing WMD'S.
Show me a middle eastern country that isnt run by a dictator!
The present administration mislead the american people and to me "misleading=lying.
"We destroyed the Taliban" better look again at afghanistan, they're so-called governing administration is on the verge of total
melt-down. The Taliban are back and the War Lords are growing the largest poppy fields in the world. We didnt finish the job there because Bushbaby had a personal vendetta against Iraq.
This is an election year so hang on to your hats, its going to be one hellava ride....
Originally posted by 1QWIK6
Didn't he outright LIE about WMD? I know he likes to point fingers at the other agencies, but don't you think the president of the United States would have ALL THE FACTS before going to war? I can't understand why he isn't being impeached.