Will the REAL John Kerry please stand up....

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by chevyII
If Bush isnt a career politician name one job he has worked after college that somone didnt hand him. I think that statement alone shows your intelligence or lack of.

Hmmm, let's see.

He bought into an oil company, and didn't do very well.

He was a 5% owner in the Texas Rangers.

He was elected Governor of Texas.

He was an Air National Guard pilot.

Do you think someone "handed him" partial ownership of an oil company, a portion of a baseball team, the governership and his pilot's license? Ummm....yea.

 

[chevyII]

UNGN atleast when Clinton was in office if a mexican came across the boarder he was called an ILLEGAL alien. Bush wants to call them the new work force. last time I checked social securities were just fine till Bush borrowed off it like others have in the past. The difference was they had enough there to cover it Bush doesnt. And as far as corporate scams go I dont see anyone doing jail time. A fine smaller than what they stole is usually the punishment/reward given. The scamers from ENRON barely had to pay back the workers they robbed. I wish the election was today so Bush cant say he was the master mind behind the economic recovery if it ever happens.

 

[chevyII]

Ya I bet he saved his pennies from his paper route to buy into the rangers. The only reson he was an air national guard pilot was to dodge going to nam. Im sure he didnt volunteer before the war started. Bush was born with a silver/gold spoon in his mouth and has never felt the crunch of being poor.

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by chevyII
Ya I bet he saved his pennies from his paper route to buy into the rangers. The only reson he was an air national guard pilot was to dodge going to nam. Im sure he didnt volunteer before the war started. Bush was born with a silver/gold spoon in his mouth and has never felt the crunch of being poor.

Yep, you're right Bush was born into a wealthy family no question about it. He has never tried to hide that fact nor has he championed himself as someone from the middle-class. Kerry on the other hand has been an elected politician for the better part of 20 years and married rich heiresses. He's NEVER held a real job and been a millionaire most of his adult life due to the wealth of his chosen spouses. At least Bush has dealved into the business world, sometimes successful and sometimes not. Kerry champions himself as a "man of the middle-class". The closest he's been to the middle-class is what he reads in the newspaper.

In conclusion, one candidate makes no bones about who he is and where he's from, the other well....you decide.

"Dodged going to nam"? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't but serving in the Air National Guard is an honorable way to serve your country. Have you joined by chance? Not that bad behavior is an excuse for other bad behavior but I hope you screamed and yelled about Clinton's draft dodging as much as you're complaining about Bush's National Guard service. In case you're not familiar, Clinton escaped overseas to dodge the draft.

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by chevyII
Ya I bet he saved his pennies from his paper route to buy into the rangers. The only reson he was an air national guard pilot was to dodge going to nam. Im sure he didnt volunteer before the war started. Bush was born with a silver/gold spoon in his mouth and has never felt the crunch of being poor.

ummm so was Kerry. When Kerry was a kid we went sailing with President Kennedy... Theres the "crunch of being poor"

Bush was 15 years old "before the war started". He graduated college (Yale) in 1968 and "wanted to fly jets". Living in Houston, his "daddies buddies" pulled some strings and got him a pilot's slot in the Texas ANG. Note they didn't pull strings for him to "get into the guard".

The Texas ANG was glad to have a Yale grad with "Leadership abilities" who would invest a year in pilot training. Bush Learned to Fly F102 high altitude interceptors AND volunteered to "go to nam". The problem with that was there was NO NEED FOR A HIGH ALTITUDE INTERCEPTOR PILOT IN VIET NAM so his request was denied. PILOTS FROM THE TEXAS ANG DID GO TO NAM, but they were the ones trained in F4's and ground attack aircraft.

In the early 70's the war was winding down and the gas crisis struck. Nobody was flying anything in the ANG and the F102 was declared obsolete. By the time Bush would be retrained to fly something different, his service would be up, so they cut him loose. End of story.

Still nothing about what Kerry would actually do, just a bunch of Bush Bashing anybody got something that Kerry said he would do (and then didn't say he wouldn't do, a year later)

 

[sixgun86gn]

Normally I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.....but,I will make an exception.I am tired of all the bull you commiecrats scream without any fact finding or solid evidence.

What exactly have you done for this country?Last I checked we have NEVER sent all our armed forces into combat.Those that stay in the states do their part whether you think so or not.

I want YOU chevyII to tell me exactly what John Kerry is going to do to "fix" these so called problems.What are his goals?What is he planning to change when he gets in office?How is he going to go about doing it?You don't even know.You know what YOU want,but is that what Kerry is going to give you?I have not heard any outlined plan from Kerry's group stating what he plans to do or how.Maybe you know?

Last I checked war costs money.What war happened while Clinton was in office?Somalia was a farce.There was no need for us to get into debt because he was a bleeding heart liberal pansy like Kerry and he was too chicken to confront national threats.Yet he sold secrets to China.I heard noone calling treason on that move.

When the towers fell the insurance claims and business costs and way things were done all changed the economy.This is how the world works.People were scared and held on to their money.That did not help matters any either.You blame the economy on one man,why?He did not take money from my pocket or any one else I know either.Also,since when is it the presidents duty to create jobs or worry about yours?

You commiecrats say that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism.Funny how Al Qaeda just bombed Spain for backing us in Iraq,huh?Now the new socialist (democrat?) government in spain wants to pull out because they are afraid that the terrorists will bomb them again.Now France who dissaproved the most is getting threats too.We are doing what is right overseas.

You don't like Mexicans working in the US?Join the club,they will no matter who is in office.You roof houses in the blazing sun here in TX for $5 an hour then.That and many other jobs people who complain about them like you and me won't do.

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by chevyII
UNGN atleast when Clinton was in office if a mexican came across the boarder he was called an ILLEGAL alien. Bush wants to call them the new work force.

And they came acrosss in droves... Clinton even helped them get citizenship and registered them to vote democrat.

Originally posted by chevyII
last time I checked social securities were just fine till Bush borrowed off it like others have in the past. The difference was they had enough there to cover it Bush doesnt.

Do you think Clinton would have told you if SS was in trouble?

Who screams the loudest when anyone talks about privatizing SS?

Do you know what the return on every dollar invested in SS? In a perfect scenario, the return is zero. If you buried the money in your back yard, you'd get the same return, maybe better.

Every time SS reform is mentioned, the Democrats get the old folks riled up. (The same old folks that will be dead 30 years before the reforms would take place )

Originally posted by chevyII

And as far as corporate scams go I dont see anyone doing jail time. A fine smaller than what they stole is usually the punishment/reward given. The scamers from ENRON barely had to pay back the workers they robbed. I wish the election was today so Bush cant say he was the master mind behind the economic recovery if it ever happens.

Most of the major ripping off happened under Clinton's watch. All of the telecom stuff did. If anyone had and lost a job in telecom, the downfall that lead to your separation was under Clinton's watch. You may have got laid off while Bush was President, but you were on borrowed time. I'd tell you how much money I lost, but then you'd think I "never felt the crunch of being poor"

Bush's people are prosecuting Energy and Telecom crooks. How many corporate scandals did Clinton catch/prosecute? Everyone makes so much of Bush's Enron connections, but during the time Bush was close to Enron, they had the "Bill Clinton stamp of Approval".

 

[sixgun86gn]

UNGN,lets not forget the pardons that Clinton handed out like awards.

 

[Mac in SD]

Originally posted by chevyII
Yes bush knows theres wepons Of MD because we sold them to Saddam to fight Iran. Isnt Iran the country Bush is buddy buddy with that last few weeks. Im sure Cadafi bombed US citizens in the past I wish the Dumb Ass running this ship could aleast fiqure who the enemy is. Also I see we Kidnapped the leader from Haiti from being killed isnt that funny we had just sold the rebels 20,000 M16 rifles the week before. Bush what a dumb A*@

You are a nitwit. The U.S. NEVER sold WMD to Iraq. Iraq's WMD capabilites were bought from the USSR, N. Korea, and other axis of evil states. The Osirak reactor that the Israelis bombed in 1981 was sold to them by the French. (Biiig surprise there, huh?)

And by the way, you idiot, Iran is NOT the country that Pres. Bush has been "buddy buddy with the last few weeks." Quadaffi is the dictator of Libya, and he completely CAVED to U.S. and U.K. pressure via the example of Iraq and Afghanistan, and oh-by-the-way gave up his entire nuclear program, which has since been shiped piece-by-piece to the USofA.

In sum, you are a perfect example of why we should bring back poll tests.

And a side note about General B44: great geopolitical credentials, there. The PinkHumpy websites musical self-description is almost as pretentious as advertising your Rittenhouse Square address. Fop.

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by Mac in SD
You are a nitwit. The U.S. NEVER sold WMD to Iraq. Iraq's WMD capabilites were bought from the USSR, N. Korea, and other axis of evil states. The Osirak reactor that the Israelis bombed in 1981 was sold to them by the French. (Biiig surprise there, huh?)

And by the way, you idiot, Iran is NOT the country that Pres. Bush has been "buddy buddy with the last few weeks." Quadaffi is the dictator of Libya, and he completely CAVED to U.S. and U.K. pressure via the example of Iraq and Afghanistan, and oh-by-the-way gave up his entire nuclear program, which has since been shiped piece-by-piece to the USofA.

In sum, you are a perfect example of why we should bring back poll tests.

I was waiting for Chevy II to realize he had no idea what he was talking about.

The more he talks, the less he seems to know.

How very Kerry like.

 

[GoldT]

Wow..............Um................I'm bored. Let's see, we have Bush/Cheney on one hand and Kerry/(????) on the other. I'm voting for the former because of issues that concern me and my family. I don't hate Kerry. I've met with Kerry, oops, I mean, have listened to Kerry, and have reviewed his voting record. He stands on both sides of many issues, which means he doesn't stand for much. National polls have shown that "Americans" care more about the economy than the threat of terrorism. So Kerry, without a clue how, claims that he can fix the economy, because that's what he thinks people want to hear. Bush, on the other hand, is standing firm on his commitment to fight terrorism. He ignores the poles, and the criticism from the liberal media, and continues to do what's right. If there's not another major terrorist attack on U.S. shores, the economy will continue it's slow recovery. If Kerry is sworn in, in January, then he can flip-flop again and take credit for the lack of terrorist attacks and a continued-growing economy. I've got a newsflash for you folks, if, God forbid, we are attacked again, then our economy will go back into the toilet. If you pay attention to both presidential candidates, you'll notice one distinct difference: Kerry will say ANYTHING to get elected. Bush, on the other hand, pushes his policies forward, even the one's that his usual supporters disagree with. What's scary about all this is how similar to Clinton that Kerry is. It's been mentioned here, but it needs to be re-emphasized. The liberal voting record, the womanizing, the flip-flopping. He is John F-ing Klinton Jr. The liberal base is energized. The liberals will vote in droves this year. They've got a wonderful guy who can push issues in any direction at anytime, that's why they're called LIBERALS.

There, I feel better.

 

[SinistrV6]

None of our domestic problems matter...

First, let me say that I don't agree with all of GWB's domestic policies. Having said that, what most of you Bush-haters fail to grasp is that NONE OF THAT MATTERS at this point in history!

Jobs, inflation, the stock market, tariffs, trade deficits, immigration, blah, blah, blah......Give me a break from the whining!

John Kerry (nor any other bleeding heart liberal) has the 'NADS to stand up to the terrorists like President Bush has! If the Democrats were in power in 2001, half the major cities in the USA would've been smokin' holes in the ground before they got off their pampered keesters and did anything about it!!!!

"We need U.N. approval." B.S.

"We need the support and approval of our allies." Double B.S.

This is not a popularity contest!!! This is a matter of survival! When terrorism (or at least it's major players) have been VANQUISHED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH, then, and ONLY then will domestic issues become the most important parts of a U.S. Presidential election.

Is George W. Bush the best President ever? Certainly not. Is he the best candidate to continue the unenviable tasks he has been forced to take on? YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!
Vote for John Kerry only if you would trust him with your life, because you very well may find yourself with him as the only defense between you and a muslim extremist with a head full of bad wiring and "dirty bomb".

Ain't that a comforting thought?

 

[chevyII]

I cant agree with you more but our back and front doors are still wide open. We are no safer today then 9/11. Its just a matter of how long and how bad,it bad to look at it like that but is the truth.

 

[smokin'6]

Bush's people were in office nearly a year, and 3000 people were killed!!

Bush is in office, we have the highest gas prices in history!!

Bush is in office, the killer of 3000 people STILL seems to be on the loose.

Bush is in office, our rights are one by one being removed, POST QUICK WHILE U STILL CAN TILL BUSH TAKES IT AWAY!!

 

[smokin'6]

3000 PEOPLE DIE, FIRST THING GEORGE W. BUSH DOES IS GETS OSAMA BIN LADENS FAMILY OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!

 

[chevyII]

Good points now he wants to combine religion and government and put his rules on marriage. Havent the church and state been seperate since the days of the roman empire.

 

[Silver 6]

OH Chevy II,

What were illegal Mexicans called in America under President Clinton??? Citizens. How soon, and how easily, you chose to forget he gave millions amnesty just in time to vote in the 1996 elections. DUH.

The current plan by Senator Kerry is to romove the lower income earners from the payroll tax rolls. Do you know what that is? They don't pay income taxes, so that leaves.....Social Security. he is going to remove people from paying Social Security.

In the Senate the Democrats blocked any type of means testing for Social Security or Medicare benefits. This means it does not matter how much money you have, the checks keep coming. But only if you are rich enough to not need to work to maintain your current lifestyle. If you have to continue to work, your Social Security payments will be reduced by $1 for each $2 you earn, and you still have to pay income taxes on what you earn and the Social Security payments you do receive. This makes it the absolute hardest on who??? Oh yeah, the middle class.

Are you still believing that line about the Social Security trust fund? When I first started paying it was called a Social Security contribution and they would send you a notice to tell you how much you had contributed to your account. But it just got to be too much money and they decided to turn it into a cash account. If you have taken accounting you understand a cash accont is a flow account that gets used for what ever is needed. It came to grow and eventually be spit into seperate Social Security and Medicare so they could grow and be spent independently. A program set up to be a retirement safety net now covers some people from the cradle to the grave.

All that is going to happen is at some point our government is going to have to stop using the excess from our Social Security payments for other programs and start paying Social Security from the general fund. They have been raiding that cash account for over 30 years.

I can keep pointing this out over and over, but it does no good: The Democratic policies do no harm to the "rich" they claim to distain, they only harm those earning money.

 

[smokin'6]

"Good points now he wants to combine religion and government and put his rules on marriage. Havent the church and state been seperate since the days of the roman empire."




Not while George is in charge

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by smokin'6
Bush's people were in office nearly a year, and 3000 people were killed!!

and Clinton was offered Osama twice and turned him down.

Originally posted by smokin'6
Bush is in office, we have the highest gas prices in history!!

Not even Close. On the day this week that gas prices were supposedly the "highest in history", the price actually dropped 2 cents.

Adjusted for inflation, this weeks gas prices aren't even close to the "highest in history". When Carter was President in 1980, Gas was $2.41 a gallon in today's dollars for regular unleaded. Makes $1.75 seem cheap.

Originally posted by smokin'6
Bush is in office, the killer of 3000 people STILL seems to be on the loose.

And when he's caught are you going to Vote for Bush? I didn't think so.

Originally posted by smokin'6
Bush is in office, our rights are one by one being removed, POST QUICK WHILE U STILL CAN TILL BUSH TAKES IT AWAY!!

Congress is the one "taking your rights away". Keep blaming Bush and they will do it without you noticing (their plan).

 

[SinistrV6]

Originally posted by smokin'6
Bush's people were in office nearly a year, and 3000 people were killed!!

Bush is in office, we have the highest gas prices in history!!

Bush is in office, the killer of 3000 people STILL seems to be on the loose.

Bush is in office, our rights are one by one being removed, POST QUICK WHILE U STILL CAN TILL BUSH TAKES IT AWAY!!

Those 3000 innocent souls would've died regardless of who was in power. It's what you do in response that matters. Yes, it appears that Bin Ladin is still alive, he WILL be caught/killed just like the Hussein's.

Americans have the CHEAPEST gasoline in the world, in the country where it costs the most to produce it (thanks to the EPA!! hmmm, wonder which political party supports "tree hugging" environmental policies??) and still they complain. Hey, cry me a river! If gasoline had kept pace with inflation it'd be over $30/gallon!! Again, if terrorists are blowing up or contaminating major U.S. cities, I suspect gasoline prices will fall WAY down on your list of priorities.

President Bush hasn't taken any of your rights away. PERIOD