500-550 rwhp formula ?

[sakudog]

Just wondering if there is a tried/true 3.8 SFI formula to reach that power goal...

1) Heads, Cam, Intake, TB, Injectors, Pump, Tune with a TE60 (which is the turbo I have now), DP back exhaust no cat.

2) Stock short block, E85 Conversion with Bigger/Newer turbo (as stated above)Dp back exhaust, no cat.

3) Both?

Who builds good 3.8 short blocks for street use? I'm guessing my 99K mile shortblock won't last long making 500 plus rwhp.

 

[87gnguy]

The mods I have in my sig should be more than enough to get you there, even with a stock motor. As far as a good engine builder for a street car, I use Don Cruz. He's built 3 motors for the guys here in Panama City and has done an outstanding job. Plus he's there for you after he builds it if you have any problems or questions. If you're interested in talking to him I can PM you his number.

 

[bison]

Ive never seen a te60 make 500+whp. You need a good converter and more turbine with boost in the mid 20's to get 500whp. The te60 with a turbine swap out will get it done.

 

[sakudog]

I'm not giving all the details of what my car has so far let me update the thread here:

Car has:

Engine: Stock 99K
Intake: AEM Dryflow filter on the MAF
Exhaust: Terry Houston 3 in. stainless downpipe no cat, 3" catback, stock headers
Fuel: Accufab adj. fuel pressure reg., 42lbs injectors, hotwire, / Turbo Tweak Chip for this setup and I have the Turbo Meter SW
Turbo: TE60
Intercooler: CAS v2 front mount intercooler (Huge and stealthy)
Trans: Vigilante 2800 stall converter, 2800 Stall / by Jimmys in Chicago
Coolling: 160 Thermosat, Aluminum F-body radiator, Ramchargers dual radiator fan

Thinking of a heads/cam/intake/tb setup from a friend OR just going to a larger turbo and E85 conversion/chip with a bigger fuel system...

 

[bison]

Here's what id do. Alky injection, ptc 9.5" converter, swap turbine in turbo to a 76p, heads, unshroud port exits on intake. All the rest should be spent on a powerlogger and tune time. E85 would be nice but will require about more in fuel system mods than the alky/93 setup.

 

[sakudog]

We have E85 fuel pumps all over my City and it's nice to have a car built for it because you can constantly run high boost safely. Thanks for the input so far! Sounds like heads/cam are a must for these motors to make decent power.

 

[blackgn1]

You will need to spend quite a bit on upgrading the fuel system for E85. Why not do like Bison said and go 93 and alky injection? So much easier and less time trying to tune. A stock unopened engine has been in the 10's. Clean up the heads you have. Keep the stock cam. Buy a alky kit. Get a 9.5 PTC converter. Bigger turbo. Tune it. Run it. You will spend more(time and money) to upgrade to E85 than you will buying the injection kit. Just my thoughts. Just trying to help.

 

[sakudog]

Seems like Alky is the smart way to go....why is this 1800 dollar stall converter so much better than the one I already have?
http://www.ptcrace.com/95bolt-toget....html?osCsid=e9eb1acc0b39efad89471ca6d0075bc6 <-- That is it correct?

Also thanks for all the input, which Alky kit is the BEST?

 

[bison]

The converter in that link is a bolt together and I'd avoid that unless you are familiar with converters. You can get the same result for $800 less. It will do everything better than the vig. Buy an alky control kit from razor. Pm dusty Bradford for a ptc 9.5".

 

[sakudog]

The converter in that link is a bolt together and I'd avoid that unless you are familiar with converters. You can get the same result for $800 less. It will do everything better than the vig. Buy an alky control kit from razor. Pm dusty Bradford for a ptc 9.5".

Ok will do, do you mind PM'ing me a link to the converter everyone is talking about?

 

[bison]

Ok will do, do you mind PM'ing me a link to the converter everyone is talking about?

I've posted many times about these converters and have posted threads in the combo forum. They are the best of the best.

 

[sakudog]

I've posted many times about these converters and have posted threads in the combo forum. They are the best of the best.

Thanks....

 

[Amelio]

well I dont really care who knows what I have...lol

Standard bore stock rods
stock compression forged TRW pistons
Girdle and all ARP hardware
stock heads and intake ported and polished by champion
63mm TB
TE66 and stock location 1 1/2 IC
210/215 Roller cam
TH 3" down pipe and ATR headers
Fully built trans with 10" 3000 stall AC converter

Now when the car was on the dyno getting tuned it had a regular flat tappet cam 223/223 502/502 the roller is a lil bigger so the power should be pretty close....I had 110 in the tan k to be safe only ran the car up to 18psi-19 psi it made 430 hp and 475tq I dont know for a fact but pretty damn sure 26-28psi should put down 500 As you can see there is nothing really special about the build it is pretty basic, it does not take too much to get there but what I have learned the hard way is the things you need for strength.

I actually hurt the car on the dyno.....ended up spinning a bearing....pulled the engine apart and found a stretched rod bolt......when it was on the dyno it was the combo above with the hydrolic flat tappet cam but I had a completely stock bottom end. I rebuilt it with what is listed above.

BTW how doe that Jeep run? my buddy had one...I put headers and full exhaust on it,thermostat CAI and custom tune it ran a 12.6 @106 freaking awesome!

 

[Ttype6]

you can constantly run high boost safely.

Extremely safe!
No gasoline motor spools like E85, and the extra torque,alone,makes it worth wile.
There's no getting around it,you'll need a double pumper and bigger injectors.
If you want to go bigger than 85lb injectors,you'll need a computer with Peak/Hold injector drivers,so that would be more yet.
Once you run E85 you don't go back.

26-28psi should put down 500

No problem. I have a similar combo running E85. You need to experience this stuff. You'll fall in love.

 

[Slow91z]

Here's my build up...the power is there, but I can't recommend the shortblock, might live forever in a perfect world but the world ain't perfect.

http://turbobuick.com/forums/threads/made-a-few-pulls-on-the-dyno-with-vids.331383/

http://turbobuick.com/forums/threads/dyno-runs-at-rpm-transmission.343114/#post-2736797

 

[sakudog]

Extremely safe!
No gasoline motor spools like E85, and the extra torque,alone,makes it worth wile.
There's no getting around it,you'll need a double pumper and bigger injectors.
If you want to go bigger than 85lb injectors,you'll need a computer with Reak/Hold injector drivers,so that would be more yet.
Once you run E85 you don't go back.


No problem. I have a similar combo running E85. You need to experience this stuff. You'll fall in love.

Mind PM'ing me your setup? I'd want to shoot for 500-550 rwhp or abouts and it be reliable. We have E85 everywhere here in Texas and I'd at least like to consider it....for that power level, on E85 I assume I can use the stock lines/rails? Just bigger injectors, double pumper from Racetronix and a Turbo Tweak chip to match the setup?

 

[sakudog]

BTW how doe that Jeep run? my buddy had one...I put headers and full exhaust on it,thermostat CAI and custom tune it ran a 12.6 @106 freaking awesome!

It made 514 all-wheel HP with the blower & catback on pump gas with a very conservative tune. It's my daily driver and I absolutely love everything except the 12mpg

 

[Ttype6]

on E85 I assume I can use the stock lines/rails? Just bigger injectors, double pumper.

Correct.

 

[NOTSOFAST]

I don't mind the gas mileage on my JGCSRT8 as the power the 6.1 puts out is music to my ears. will be even better after I turbo it. then it can keep up with my GN's. are you a member on the Jeep Forum?

 

[Amelio]

Extremely safe!
No gasoline motor spools like E85, and the extra torque,alone,makes it worth wile.
There's no getting around it,you'll need a double pumper and bigger injectors.
If you want to go bigger than 85lb injectors,you'll need a computer with Reak/Hold injector drivers,so that would be more yet.
Once you run E85 you don't go back.


No problem. I have a similar combo running E85. You need to experience this stuff. You'll fall in love.

I have been curious about the E-85 I have read lots of threads on it and I have considered it....the only thing I would need to change is my injectors and chip. I have on gas station about 15 miles from my house that sells the stuff I am sure there are more this is just the one I know of.

Now how does the car run if you had to get fuel bunt only 93 was available? Obviously you keep your foot out of it but does it even run? I imagine it would be extremely fat......