Anyone runing the Comp Cams 212/212?

[6-Banger]

I am thinking about upgrading from my stock cam. My car currently has an upgraded fuel pump and injectors, SMC progressive alky, TE-44, 3" downpipe with cutout, I am currently porting the stock heads and purchasing a FMIC. My goal is 11.2-11.6 E.T.'s. I have already ran a 12.0 @ 114 with the stock unmodified intercooler, stock unmodified heads. I am interested in staying with the stock convertor since its mostly a street car. Is it worth it to upgrade the cam or not for my goals? Is there anyone running the Comp Cams 212/212?

 

[BlackBandit]

Are you thinking about going roller or flat tappet? Either way I would think you could spend your money better elsewhere. The heads and intercooler alone should almost put you there. (depending on the tune) and a new turbo would definitely do it. Assuming you have the traction of course. Also lot's of guys have gone way faster than that with less cam. That's my .02 james

 

[6-Banger]

I was looking at the flat tappet. Upgrading my cam was just a thought since I'm replacing my headgaskets right now. If it's not worth doing I'll save my money and put it toward a different turbo.

 

[Hot Air]

If (or when) you upgrade your cam, definitely go with the roller cam. Advantages are way less friction and more aggressive lifts. Costs more but one wiped motor due to cam break-in failure will more than make up the difference. I would stick with the stock cam for now if you are not having issues with it. Motor oil w/o zinc makes flat tappet break-in a real risky proposition.
Conrad

 

[Hot Air]

One other big advantage to roller cam...you can change the cam and not worry about changing out the lifters as on a flat tappet cam.
Conrad

 

[vacuum 6]

Also with a roller you don’t have to break it in.

 

[chasmat2316]

I have a 212-212 flat tappet in my motor right now, it has about 20,000miles. Great cam! good idle, It passed the smog test with 50 lb injectors.

 

[vacuum 6]

I have GN1 heads and TE60 with a 12" 2800 stall, no spool issues.

 

[Bens87tr]

Chasmat,

It's good to hear a positive story about flat tappet cam life. I've just switched to a 212 FT myself. Please share what you're using for oil/additives for that long life.

 

[2QUICK2B6]

I went roller with my 212/212

 

[d0n_3d]

flat tappet 212/212 cam here until I split my block! I just pulled out the lifters tonight and they looked BRAND NEW as does the cam...I broke it in properly of course...the cam lasted 2 years and lots of 1/4 mile and WOT street passes...no issues...the block on the other hand...uhhh anyone have a nice turbo 109 block???

 

[ttypewhite]

I have run a 212/212 flat tappet cam in my car for over 5 years with Champion iron heads and intake. Great drivibility and great performance under WOT. I ran 10.30 @ 131mph with that cam in a full weight T-type.

 

[Dave]

don 3d -PM sent

 

[mrfixit49]

How about emissions?

Question for ya:

I have an engine completely apart. The heads have been ported and polished, and I want to run a roller can setup. My concern is emissions. Will a 212/212 roller cam setup still be "emission friendly"? At what lift will I be giving myself problems. In California, we test every two years, and I want to stay within limits without taking apart my engine. I'm not building a race car (well kinda) but I really would like a roller cam setup for a car that will be driven regularly.

Thanks,
-Michael

 

[mikestertwo]

We get my sons car through CA emissions with that cam with a smog chip. I am considering dropping down to the 206/206 roller. The 212/212 seems to need a lot of converter to get the turbo to spool.

 

[SouthernCal GN]

Question for ya:

I have an engine completely apart. The heads have been ported and polished, and I want to run a roller can setup. My concern is emissions. Will a 212/212 roller cam setup still be "emission friendly"? At what lift will I be giving myself problems. In California, we test every two years, and I want to stay within limits without taking apart my engine. I'm not building a race car (well kinda) but I really would like a roller cam setup for a car that will be driven regularly.

Thanks,
-Michael

I have a 214/214 roller, and it passed emissions here in WA without drama (thanks to a good TT emissions chip ). I wouldn't pass the CA visual test right now, though!

 

[mrfixit49]

Great...

Thanks for the responses, Comp Cams says that their 206/206 runs with the stock computer, but I'll get the smog chip, run the 212/212, and go from there. Thanks again!

 

[1980monteturbo]

Old thread I started on the 212/212 a while back concerning shift points.
HTH.
Steve.

 

[bison]

I am thinking about upgrading from my stock cam. My car currently has an upgraded fuel pump and injectors, SMC progressive alky, TE-44, 3" downpipe with cutout, I am currently porting the stock heads and purchasing a FMIC. My goal is 11.2-11.6 E.T.'s. I have already ran a 12.0 @ 114 with the stock unmodified intercooler, stock unmodified heads. I am interested in staying with the stock convertor since its mostly a street car. Is it worth it to upgrade the cam or not for my goals? Is there anyone running the Comp Cams 212/212?

I wouldnt go over 206 at .050 with the stock type 12" converter. I doubt you would gain much with just the cam change and your current combo. If you are going to go for a 6152 and want to easily run those times i would go with a 212/212 and a 3000 stall 9.5 converter. If your adamant about the stock converter then go with a CPT61BB and a 206 cam. This will throw you in the 11.40's easily at 23-25 psi. The 212-212 is a no no with the stock converter. I tried it back in 99. The 212 works best if the engine is kept between 4500 and 5700 rpm on a 231ci. The stock converter wont allow this unless you torture the car out of the hole with some 15+psi launches and it will be lazy on the street.

 

[tsaltario]

My motor is getting re-built right now. adding to my setup listed in my sig, is one of Razor's alky kits, (Get rid of the old non-progresive) PP the heads, forged pistons, engine girdle, new double roller timing chain, and 212/212 flat tappet cam.

Any guru's out there have any idea what kind of HP/TQ numbers I might be putting up with this combo? and what that might make a 1/4 mile run at?