Billet aluminum pulleys - Let's continue on, shall we?

[TR Custom Parts]

Ziggy: You have gone way too far overboard and way too many insults directed at Mark Hueffman to live through this one.

09-09-1982 Ziggy (marred4life)(09-09-82/08-14-08) 1,355 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (gnbooster87)(08-18-04 / present) 781 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (LS1ZIGG) (11-11-08 / 11-12-08) 7 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (wagon109) (11-12-08 / 11-13-08) 0 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (gear644) (11-14-08 / 11-28-08) 29 posts

Say "Goodnight" Zig.
I'll be looking for you to pop up under AKA's and / or aliases just for fun. Ask Harold how much I enjoy doing that.
Enjoy the forum for the short length of time that you have left.
C'YA

Aww, you don't have to ban him, he's good for a ttt now and then. I don't need any protecting.

 

[Gary Wells]

Aww, you don't have to ban him, he's good for a ttt now and then. I don't need any protecting.

I can't not ban him as I am not a mod in this section. Given enough time, Ziggy is guaranteed to ban himself. And I am not "protecting" you, I just don't feel that anybody, Supporting Supplier or not, should have to go through that much abuse to advertise products when they are in effect, paying for the right to advertise. And I don't want to see turbo Buick owners lose a forum due to lack of a supporting vendor base. I personally feel that we all owe our supporting suppliers a big thank you, not a denouncing for being a paying supporter.

 

[DJ Red Barron]

well i guess you got me stumped boo hoo congrats that your supplier is finally contributing to getting some of his parts made in america but the issue isnt really where there made the big issue is how you and your BIG BAD supplier are stealing the ideas of a great engineer like RJC (something that you and your supplier will never be) you obviously stole his intercoolers thats a no brain'r but you will have yours coming and so will your supplier(legal terms) once again congrats on your pulleys

Calm down. You were acting like a school girl on her first rag in the last thread concerning this topic. You're not any better off in the current thread. If this is such an outrage for you, don't buy from TR. It's a fairly simple solution.


As for the quality of the stuff, damn.... Yet MORE product I have on the wish list from TR.


Oh... And just to throw in my $0.02 concerning Mark... The guy has been nothing but upstanding and extremely professional. He goes WAY above and beyond to make sure his customers are taken care of. His products are fantastic and he ranks up there in the TOP of the group of vendors for our community. Keep up the good work Mark and many thanks for the many ultra-smooth transactions!


**Disclaimer** This post is in no way saying anything negative about RJC. I have a ton of their products on my car. The guys there are awesome to deal with. They also know how to take care of their customers. And I WILL be buying more from them in the future as well.

 

[HOT ROD-GN]

But Mark doesn't take phone calls!

HE TAKE'S MINE!!:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[bison]

Ziggy: You have gone way too far overboard and way too many insults directed at Mark Hueffman to live through this one.

09-09-1982 Ziggy (marred4life)(09-09-82/08-14-08) 1,355 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (gnbooster87)(08-18-04 / present) 781 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (LS1ZIGG) (11-11-08 / 11-12-08) 7 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (wagon109) (11-12-08 / 11-13-08) 0 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (gear644) (11-14-08 / 11-28-08) 29 posts

Say "Goodnight" Zig.
I'll be looking for you to pop up under AKA's and / or aliases just for fun. Ask Harold how much I enjoy doing that.
Enjoy the forum for the short length of time that you have left.
C'YA

Holy crap he almost has more aliases than the Chinese phone book has with listings ofr the last name Chin:biggrin: Get me his addy. ill be in Southern CA in Dec. I want to get a pic of this guy so we can see the face behind the computer:tongue:.

 

[John Wilde]

Holy crap he almost has more aliases than the Chinese phone book has with listings ofr the last name Chin:biggrin: Get me his addy. ill be in Southern CA in Dec. I want to get a pic of this guy so we can see the face behind the computer:tongue:.

Too bad you are not going to be in Nor Cal, you could have laughed at my blue car.

 

[bison]

off topic

Too bad you are not going to be in Nor Cal, you could have laughed at my blue car.

I wouldnt laugh. CA is huge. Id make the drive if it were under 500miles round trip but its much more

 

[gnbooster87]

Ziggy: You have gone way too far overboard and way too many insults directed at Mark Hueffman to live through this one.

09-09-1982 Ziggy (marred4life)(09-09-82/08-14-08) 1,355 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (gnbooster87)(08-18-04 / present) 781 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (LS1ZIGG) (11-11-08 / 11-12-08) 7 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (wagon109) (11-12-08 / 11-13-08) 0 posts
09-09-1987 Ziggy (gear644) (11-14-08 / 11-28-08) 29 posts

Say "Goodnight" Zig.
I'll be looking for you to pop up under AKA's and / or aliases just for fun. Ask Harold how much I enjoy doing that.
Enjoy the forum for the short length of time that you have left.
C'YA

if you recall gary i was banned all these times for defending marks supplier(gn1performance) ask shane he did the banning, i made sure to tell him that i cut my ties with them and would not bring them up, plus i never hid that it was me so how does it make me a coward?

Holy crap he almost has more aliases than the Chinese phone book has with listings ofr the last name Chin:biggrin: Get me his addy. ill be in Southern CA in Dec. I want to get a pic of this guy so we can see the face behind the computer:tongue:.

sure come on down im sure the locals here in this town will take kindly to a unfamiliar face driving down the street, and for the record its not my car

 

[bison]

sure come on down im sure the locals here in this town will take kindly to a unfamiliar face driving down the street, and for the record its not my car

This says enough about what type of person you are. I wont even ask you for your address. I never posted about any car in this thread. You should fvck off and stop posting in this thread. You made a bad call got slammed for it. You should just take it for what it is and let it go.

 

[WH1_T-Type]

You should fvck off and stop posting in this thread. You made a bad call got slammed for it. You should just take it for what it is and let it go.

+1 u r looking really dumb. It is IMPOSSIBLE to patent a basic pully design. Something specific? Sure..but the BASIC design....uh...it's called A WHEEL!!!!!!! Who owns the patent for a wheel???

 

[DJ Red Barron]

sure come on down im sure the locals here in this town will take kindly to a unfamiliar face driving down the street, and for the record its not my car

 

[Mike Licht]

Wait i don't get it if a vendor makes an innercooler, pulleys heads, cams or what ever those ideas were stolen just cause Mark (who i don't know personaly) descided to make pulleys man have you got you thinking mixed up if thats the case then why doesn't every one who builds a part that was though of by someone else pay roaltys to the person that first came up with the idea. In short did RJC make a pulley first ans. yes did Mark start making pulleys now ans. yes SO WHAT WHO CARESS IF YOU OR I OR ANYONE ELSE DOESN'T LIKE THEM DON'T BUY THEM.

The BOLD part is the WHOLE problem here guys, the correct answer is NO, Dennis Kirban was making billet pulleys before RJC was in business, Just like girdles and other items that were made long before he was around. The original pulleys he came out with looked exactly like the Kirban ones. Do some homework the truth is out there. Just becase a guy make a part it does not mean another guy can't make it too that is the way free enterprise works. None of these items are patentable.

 

[HOT ROD-GN]

The BOLD part is the WHOLE problem here guys, the correct answer is NO, Dennis Kirban was making billet pulleys before RJC was in business, Just like girdles and other items that were made long before he was around. The original pulleys he came out with looked exactly like the Kirban ones. Do some homework the truth is out there. Just becase a guy make a part it does not mean another guy can't make it too that is the way free enterprise works. None of these items are patentable.

The frist vender to make Girdles was EASTERN PERFORMANCE?

 

[Mike Licht]

Eastern was the first Buick vendor, Buick made their own girdle first it was made for them by Moroso who later sold it under their name and then Eastern.
Mike

 

[87granny]

The BOLD part is the WHOLE problem here guys, the correct answer is NO, Dennis Kirban was making billet pulleys before RJC was in business, Just like girdles and other items that were made long before he was around. The original pulleys he came out with looked exactly like the Kirban ones. Do some homework the truth is out there. Just becase a guy make a part it does not mean another guy can't make it too that is the way free enterprise works. None of these items are patentable.

I agree that's what i was trying to say it doesn't matter if more than one vendor is making a part my whole point was RJC or Kirban or Cottton or who ever didn't invent the pulley so why can't Mark make pulleys or what ever part he or you or any other vendor wants if there's a market for it build it someone will buy it

 

[ttypewe4jim]

To go along with Mike... How long did it take RJC to give credit to jay carter for the "bullet proof head gaskets?"

 

[scot w.]

The BOLD part is the WHOLE problem here guys, the correct answer is NO, Dennis Kirban was making billet pulleys before RJC was in business, Just like girdles and other items that were made long before he was around. The original pulleys he came out with looked exactly like the Kirban ones. Do some homework the truth is out there. Just becase a guy make a part it does not mean another guy can't make it too that is the way free enterprise works. None of these items are patentable.

Mike,

I could be wrong here and correct me if I am as this is passed on info over the years..
I think there is one thing being over looked here. I have heard that kirban only had one or just a couple pullies offered back then and Stopped selling them before RJC even came along and made them?? RJC made them as a larger set (More pieces)??

See the KEY here is STOPPED SELLING! before another vendor.. (Reflects that the original vendor No Longer has intrest in offering the said product)

EXAMPLE: I Have made/improved on products that ATR used to make/sell BUT they are no longer in buisness and there products are no longer available to the public so to me there is no competing against them in any way, shape or form. When a vendor/company DROPS a product and no longer makes or sells it Wouldn't it be considered fair game? I would think so..

My thought on patends:

Patends are useless if items get shipped to China to be made so why would someone spend all the cash involved in one when it's not a world wide patend?

Secondly, all one needs to do to get around a pattend is change it by so much. There again, If someone really wants to make it They can and do!!

That covers the MAKING of the product out of our state, NOW "SELLING" a copied product here that had a pattend or pattend pending title originally is a totally different story!!

After seeing this issue erupt over china products I got to thinking, Do I sell any china products? Well I went to my site and looked at Every item I sell and NOT ONE is made in china!! EVERYTHING we sell is made and assyembled right here in the U.S.A and I was pretty proud of that..

I guess people are just going to have to accept this and that this will be around for a long time to come....

Peace!

SW.

 

[GNBRETT]

Actually in ancient Mesopotamia in the 5th millennium did. Originally in the function of potters wheels.....

 

[Mike Licht]

Mike,

I could be wrong here and correct me if I am as this is passed on info over the years..
I think there is one thing being over looked here. I have heard that kirban only had one or just a couple pullies offered back then and Stopped selling them before RJC even came along and made them?? RJC made them as a larger set (More pieces)??

See the KEY here is STOPPED SELLING! before another vendor.. (Reflects that the original vendor No Longer has intrest in offering the said product).

Absolutely false, those parts were still being made and sold by Mr. Kirban at the time and so was the Eastern block girdle but I see no one complaining about that?

My thought on patends:

Patends are useless if items get shipped to China to be made so why would someone spend all the cash involved in one when it's not a world wide patend?

Secondly, all one needs to do to get around a pattend is change it by so much. There again, If someone really wants to make it They can and do!!

That covers the MAKING of the product out of our state, NOW "SELLING" a copied product here that had a pattend or pattend pending title originally is a totally different story!!

After seeing this issue erupt over china products I got to thinking, Do I sell any china products? Well I went to my site and looked at Every item I sell and NOT ONE is made in china!! EVERYTHING we sell is made and assyembled right here in the U.S.A and I was pretty proud of that..

I guess people are just going to have to accept this and that this will be around for a long time to come....

Peace!

SW.

Actually my patent comment was only to say that none of the items in question are patentable since others made them before and that is very clear. MY thoughts on patents and why I have never bothered with them is that a patent is only as good as the money you want to spend defending it. If some deep pocket company comes in and makes your parts there is not much you can do to stop that as you will run out of money in court and be out of business before you win. I have seen it happen many times.
Mike

 

[scot w.]

Absolutely false, those parts were still being made and sold by Mr. Kirban at the time and so was the Eastern block girdle but I see no one complaining about that?

Ahh, Okay! I stand corrected then, As I said before this stuff apparently isn't new and it's not going away anytime soon either..

Actually my patent comment was only to say that none of the items in question are patentable since others made them before and that is very clear. MY thoughts on patents and why I have never bothered with them is that a patent is only as good as the money you want to spend defending it. If some deep pocket company comes in and makes your parts there is not much you can do to stop that as you will run out of money in court and be out of business before you win. I have seen it happen many times.
Mike

Mike, I understood what you meant on your patent comment before, I was simply just giving my thoughts on patents thats all.. And I totally Agree with your thoughts on it as well.. It's pretty close to what I said, They are Useless, Costs are CRAZY and in the end if some company wants to go around it They Will..



SW.