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The reason I asked was that I have seen some tight fitting billet inputs that might hurt the carrier on "assembly".
My theory is,
if you feel it needs a billet input (600+, nitrous hit, or WOT lockup usage IMO), you need the matching billet carrier and ring gear.
However most that I build are a billet drum, servo, deep pan setup and they have run into the 10's reliably.
My theory is,
if you feel it needs a billet input (600+, nitrous hit, or WOT lockup usage IMO), you need the matching billet carrier and ring gear.
However most that I build are a billet drum, servo, deep pan setup and they have run into the 10's reliably.
I never recommend a billet input shaft with a stock OD carrier. Its almost a guarantee it will break the OD carrier. This example is really odd that it did not strip the splines after the crack.
There was a billet input out there that had a taper that was good for cracking the carrier.
I personally always suggest at 10sec level the carrier but not the input shaft,again i have never seen an input break yet.
This one we caught early and the new motor going in the car has more power,so it would have finished the job in short term.
I personally have been checking these spline closely with a magnifying glass and you may be amazed how many show up with
very tiny cracks almost unnoticable
Most of them are cracked Otto.Many dont catch it,or they are ok and then crack after o/haul.The thing to remember is the input shaft,carrier,ring gear and forward drum are all locked together in 1/2 and 3 and partially in 4th .These parts are always torqued,engine on 1 side ,transmission gearset reduction and vehicle weight on the other.In od this isnt as bad because when the drum and sun gear are grounded the physically connected input and carrier turn slower than the overdriven ring gear and forward drum but on a 4/3 kickdown ......BANG .
It was very common for me to catch the OD carrier and/or the OD ring gear splines cracked. Like was already mentioned, many times the cracks were almost unnoticeable. The fellas that are saying that billet parts are unnecessary just haven't had enough experience yet. If they keep building for some real power hitters, eventually they'll learn.
David Husek
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I am curious to whom these people/builders (naysayers) are that a small group on this board keep referring too. This small group states these people/builders (naysayers) as saying billet parts are “unnecessary”. I can't seem to find a mention of these people/builders anywhere, please enlighten me. But I do now have a full line of the highest quality billet parts available, so I would like to “PM” them some information. I am always interested to help TurboBuick.com members….
Otto, I have never spoken to you before, but any update on the Trans after you spoke to the actual builder today?
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I never actually "spoke" to the original builder but was contacted by PM.I am curious to whom these people/builders (naysayers) are that a small group on this board keep referring too. This small group states these people/builders (naysayers) as saying billet parts are “unnecessary”. I can't seem to find a mention of these people/builders anywhere, please enlighten me. But I do now have a full line of the highest quality billet parts available, so I would like to “PM” them some information. I am always interested to help TurboBuick.com members….
Otto, I have never spoken to you before, but any update on the Trans after you spoke to the actual builder today?
End of correspondence<O
He did offer to supply the needed parts to bring it back to spec
I wish i had not already ordered replacement parts,but also need the unit back together so the timing to get them here is a concern also.
I am not getting into a pissing matches here over this and I wish I would have rather worded my original post different.
I dont know about the rest of you but Dave ,it is you.You told me numerous times about the billet parts not being needed.You tell people who were considering purchasing units from me that the billet parts arent necessary,in an effort to make the sale.You made a statement about billet hympnosis,as if all who buy these things are under a sales spell.Now all of a sudden you have your line of billet parts.I dont need you to explain or unpaint yourself out of the corner,you have finally realized they are necessary.That is the first step.So know you know what my answer is .An honest reply to statements you have made to me and others in the past.Dont let my opinion affect your opinion of Dave Husek,this is just what he told me.He asked who these people are so I am answering the question. ,I am either the only one or one of many or a few that havent replied.Dons response is as good as it gets in my opinion.No ,this is not an attempt to salt hemmorroids,or ggain popularity just an answer to your question Dave.Keep busy,I am.
Dave has said on occasion that billet parts don't insure you against clutch failure. He's never said they aren't needed or they're never needed. When ever he's talked about billet parts being needed or not it has been in the context of 3rd gear clutch longevity,not parts breakage. He's never said billet parts aren't stronger and better than stock parts. He has,however,stated that he was one of the first to get third gear clutches to live without dual feeding and the accompanying billet drum that is needed because of the added stress the stock drum receives from dual feeding. It's always been this situation that he's talked about. He's also stated that,because he's gone so far without billet parts,the addition of billet parts adds a whole new dimension to his transmissions. Please quote Dave where he said billet parts aren't needed period or where he said billet part aren't ever needed. I know you know how to do this. Please do so now.
I'm not sure about this,but I think It was Brian who coined the phrase Billet Hypnosis. I apologize if I'm wrong.
Have there been people on this forum saying that billet parts are unnecessary period? Unnecessary in any and all instances? Can you please give us a quote?
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Sorry, but I'm not going to search through this forum for quotes.
I will say this though, and others are welcome to chime in if I'm off base here.
I have read posts here in this forum from some builders, and posts from some relating to certain builders, that left me with the impression that they did just fine building 200-4Rs before billet parts were available. I even got the impression that some still do build units without billet parts and they also do just fine. No mention at all that they have ever had or are having any problems making them live for a respectable amount of time under extreme punishment. I can't speak for every other builder, but I will say this, either they're not telling the whole story, or they've been building for 400 hp setups that don't get raced very much at all for a long time.
Don't feed that to me. I know better.
If some of these builders (I WILL NOT POINT FINGERS) would like to take the opportunity now to clarify their position on this, they are certainly welcome to. I would like to see this from the builder himself. Not from his marketing consultants.
I realize that people do learn hard lessons with the right amount of experience, and I certainly don't hold that against them. Everyone learns from experience. I do.
I will say this though, and others are welcome to chime in if I'm off base here.
I have read posts here in this forum from some builders, and posts from some relating to certain builders, that left me with the impression that they did just fine building 200-4Rs before billet parts were available. I even got the impression that some still do build units without billet parts and they also do just fine. No mention at all that they have ever had or are having any problems making them live for a respectable amount of time under extreme punishment. I can't speak for every other builder, but I will say this, either they're not telling the whole story, or they've been building for 400 hp setups that don't get raced very much at all for a long time.
Don't feed that to me. I know better.
If some of these builders (I WILL NOT POINT FINGERS) would like to take the opportunity now to clarify their position on this, they are certainly welcome to. I would like to see this from the builder himself. Not from his marketing consultants.
I realize that people do learn hard lessons with the right amount of experience, and I certainly don't hold that against them. Everyone learns from experience. I do.
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