GM Customer Service Pushing Me To A New Toyota Tundra

[DragulaGN]

I know and see many things in this area of industry.

So you dont work at Toyota...you are just going on what some one has told you.

. Most team members I know out there have this constant fear of losing their job, cause they know they will not be able to pay any of the insane bills they rack up as a result of the higher wage.

I dont see any reason why anyone here would fear losing thier job...other than performance issues. This plant wont be closing anytime soon as we have just picked up a new model...and slated for another new model within the next 5 years. Maybe Toyota should offer classes on money management

And... doesn't that place just breed extra marital affairs? It's a very sad ratio of people who have flings on the side with other team members. Surely you have seen that?

And this means what... surely Toyota isnt the only factory on the face of the planet that this isnt a common thing. Toyota doesnt make people have affairs...weak people with no morals cause affairs.
Try again

 

[klrv6]

I dont see any reason why anyone here would fear losing thier job...other than performance issues. This plant wont be closing anytime soon as we have just picked up a new model...and slated for another new model within the next 5 years. Maybe Toyota should offer classes on money management

And this means what... surely Toyota isnt the only factory on the face of the planet that this isnt a common thing. Toyota doesnt make people have affairs...weak people with no morals cause affairs.
Try again

Yes, they should offer classes. I don't think TMMK is going anywhere right now. You have to look farther down the road, why is Toyota building a *sister* site to Georgetown outside KY state lines (Indiana)? I see many things, mostly before any production line is ever even installed in a building. I know where things are going with them. I know where they plan to build more sites and where they really don't prioritize workers. How many plants do you think Toyota is going to build in Kentucky?

The part of Toyota that I deal with is full of less than self respecting people. I guess it could follow manufacturing in general, but other manufacturing plants I have worked at don't have near the number of people who do this. It is all about shipping the product. HR looks the other way if those people are important to a line running. I have seen this so many times, it's not funny. You have to admit you see all kinds of that behavior going on? I think that will drive me away from them faster than anything. The part that I am in is expected to travel to plants on a regular basis. All the managers (6) in my department are on at least wife number two and some just gave up on marriage because of what is available in the office. Not the healthiest of work environments. Yes, they have "training" on relationships that really doesn't help fix the problem they have. How many people do you know out there that get caught up in these relationships? I have seen many people in HR who are guilty of this themselves.

 

[DragulaGN]

You have to look farther down the road, why is Toyota building a *sister* site to Georgetown outside KY state lines (Indiana)?

First Ive heard of this. We have 1 manucturing plant in Ind which builds the Seinna, Sequoia, and Tundra and have partnered with Subaru, who is currently building some Camry Units....mostly to help offset production here while we under go a 10.1 million dollar plant renovation in Assembly 1 which will take at least 5 years to complete. Like I said...Toyota isnt going anywhere for a long time.
BTW...I was researching your recall numbers and found that some you listed date back to 1969.

 

[DragulaGN]

What is the true number of Toyota recalls according to NHTSA? This doesn't include internal recall campaigns or JV/sub car companies they have theirs hands in. Turns out it was just under what they produced last year. I'm not so sure this includes the recall for the truck ball joints @ 400K+ units.

Recall # MFG. Units recalled
83V133000 TOYOTA 48737
92V025000 TOYOTA 175923
89V175000 TOYOTA 408225
92V135000 TOYOTA 554910
89V175000 TOYOTA 408225
92V135000 TOYOTA 554910
88V127000 TOYOTA 11486
89V175000 TOYOTA 408225
92V135000 TOYOTA 554910
92V135000 TOYOTA 554910
93V147000 TOYOTA 155809
06E049000 TOYOTA 27176
06E026000 TOYOTA 61944
06E049000 TOYOTA 27176
06E026000 TOYOTA 61944
06E049000 TOYOTA 27176
06E026000 TOYOTA 61944
98V155000 TOYOTA 104928
06E049000 TOYOTA 27176
06E026000 TOYOTA 61944
99V307000 TOYOTA 540037
80V045000 TOYOTA 98493
86V132000 TOYOTA 4561
90V078000 TOYOTA 2543
71V084000 TOYOTA 190000
80V028000 TOYOTA 79392
80V028000 TOYOTA 79392
80V028000 TOYOTA 79392
80V045000 TOYOTA 98493
90V040000 TOYOTA 121389
83V133000 TOYOTA 48737
91V168000 TOYOTA 669
06E026000 TOYOTA 61944
96V107000 TOYOTA 627858
94V220000 TOYOTA 16497
06E026000 TOYOTA 61944
96V107000 TOYOTA 627858
94V220000 TOYOTA 16497
94E021001 TOYOTA 68725
06E026000 TOYOTA 61944
96V107000 TOYOTA 627858
95V195001 TOYOTA 9882
78V200000 TOYOTA 5700
80V045000 TOYOTA 98493
81V031000 TOYOTA 9171
86V132000 TOYOTA 4561
84V108000 TOYOTA 74275
84V108000 TOYOTA 74275
83V133000 TOYOTA 48737
91V223000 TOYOTA 26395
91V223000 TOYOTA 26395
84V108000 TOYOTA 74275
84V108000 TOYOTA 74275
83V133000 TOYOTA 48737
Total 8,387,072

After doing some research....(looks like you should have before you posted this) I found that out of all these recalls that you posted...only 11 are from the past 5 years. Little hint...the first 2 numbers denote the year the recall was made.

 

[NASSTY]

2006 was a bad year.

 

[klrv6]

Alright...

All I can say is I would HIGHLY recommend you keep yourself debt free and sock some of your Toyota money in the bank! I see things years before they touch the eyes or ears of TMMK plant employees, TMMNA (Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America) has some very big plans and changes in the pipe.

Do the math, why would they retool a Subaru plant in Indiana and hire 1000 full time employees to build the Camry? It's not so they can expand the Georgetown plant. You guys are taking on new models, right? Why didn't they just build more Camrys there? The answer to my question about new toyota plants in Ky is 0. From what I have seen, all development is going to other states with even lower wages, or out of the country.

Here is how the new payscales will shape up. They will see what the average wage is for all regions of the country (US) they manufacture cars in and adjust for cost of living, that's it. Do you really think they can continue to pay most line workers there some insane amount of money (90K+) to put wheels on a car or torque down a bolt? Look at the bigger picture. They want to be number one and have a plan in place to get there. Just pay attention to what I said!!!

 

[krom]

Just read tundrasolutions.com it will tell you everything that you will need to know about this marginal 1/2 ton.

 

[DragulaGN]

All I can say is I would HIGHLY recommend you keep yourself debt free and sock some of your Toyota money in the bank! I see things years before they touch the eyes or ears of TMMK plant employees, TMMNA (Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America) has some very big plans and changes in the pipe.

Do the math, why would they retool a Subaru plant in Indiana and hire 1000 full time employees to build the Camry? It's not so they can expand the Georgetown plant. You guys are taking on new models, right? Why didn't they just build more Camrys there? The answer to my question about new toyota plants in Ky is 0. From what I have seen, all development is going to other states with even lower wages, or out of the country.

Here is how the new payscales will shape up. They will see what the average wage is for all regions of the country (US) they manufacture cars in and adjust for cost of living, that's it. Do you really think they can continue to pay most line workers there some insane amount of money (90K+) to put wheels on a car or torque down a bolt? Look at the bigger picture. They want to be number one and have a plan in place to get there. Just pay attention to what I said!!!

I also see alot of information that the average employee doesnt see.
So answer me this question...if the jobs at TMMK are in jeapardy, then why are they investing 100 million in just one of the assembly plants at TMMK. Thats over 20 million more than it originally cost to build the plant to begin with.

The pay scale rumor is just that. It is a rumor started to increase Union intrest. Like I said... the documents in question were proposals that were probably written by some jack ass trying to justify his job.
From what I have been told, and seen from personal experience, Toyota will go to more contracted workers to do more non-value added work. No one is going to lose thier jobs...and the pay scale will not be touched.

And yes, they are using Subaru to offset production. Starting in July, we will be starting the revamp in Line 1. This is going to hamper a shop that as of right now spits out 520+ units a shift. Thats 1040 a day...you can figure the rest. Toyota is not building another plant in KY because there is no more tax incentives to do so. That is the only reason that they built here to begin with.

Unless you have hard evidence to your claims (much like your recall post)...I'll have to pass on being to concerned with your drivvle.


BTW, just how much info about the future of Toyota passes the desk of an IT guy? Im more scared of that than losing my job.

Here is a little reading for ya that might also give ya a heads up on why Toyota is working with Subaru...seems funny that the next two vehicles slated for TMMK are AWD......hmmmm

Brand New Day GM Can't Make Sense of Subaru. Maybe Toyota Can. - BusinessWeek

 

[klrv6]

Have it your way

I also see alot of information that the average employee doesnt see.
So answer me this question...if the jobs at TMMK are in jeapardy, then why are they investing 100 million in just one of the assembly plants at TMMK. Thats over 20 million more than it originally cost to build the plant to begin with.

The pay scale rumor is just that. It is a rumor started to increase Union intrest. Like I said... the documents in question were proposals that were probably written by some jack ass trying to justify his job.
From what I have been told, and seen from personal experience, Toyota will go to more contracted workers to do more non-value added work. No one is going to lose thier jobs...and the pay scale will not be touched.

And yes, they are using Subaru to offset production. Starting in July, we will be starting the revamp in Line 1. This is going to hamper a shop that as of right now spits out 520+ units a shift. Thats 1040 a day...you can figure the rest. Toyota is not building another plant in KY because there is no more tax incentives to do so. That is the only reason that they built here to begin with.

Unless you have hard evidence to your claims (much like your recall post)...I'll have to pass on being to concerned with your drivvle.


BTW, just how much info about the future of Toyota passes the desk of an IT guy? Im more scared of that than losing my job.

I'm not saying they are going to shut the place down any time soon. What I am saying is be prepared to see drastic changes in pay for many employees. if you're in IT at TMMK, you can see everything. I have already been told that my job will fall into this even though I don't work on any line. How and why would they continue to pay a team member 90K+ a year to turn a bolt? I know how many cars run through that place every day, it's no $mall number.

 

[DragulaGN]

Your also mistaken about average team members making 90 a year. During the last model change I worked 12 hours a day and 7 days a week for almost 6 months. I barely made 91. On average they make 70-75 a year.

I make 25.58 an hour...so, working a 40 hour week, 52 weeks a year, that puts me at 53,206.40. Figure in OT and bonuses from that.
No where near 90 g's.
And FYI...I work in Logistics.

 

[klrv6]

Your also mistaken about average team members making 90 a year. During the last model change I worked 12 hours a day and 7 days a week for almost 6 months. I barely made 91. On average they make 70-75 a year.

I make 25.58 an hour...so, working a 40 hour week, 52 weeks a year, that puts me at 53,206.40. Figure in OT and bonuses from that.
No where near 90 g's.
And FYI...I work in Logistics.

Ok, the people I know pull down at least that. Some well above 100K.

Dude, there is more to life than that company, 12x7x6 months. I used to do things like that. I learned my lesson and found ways to bring in the same money with less work. I will be out by Cherry Blossom way in the morning. I'll work two hours and bring home $1250. Everyone I know out at TMMK admits to just selling their body/health to them.

BTW: As a general rule, never post your income online. People have public access to this forum and can figure a few things out. I have seen it before.

 

[turbofish38]

Maybe Toyota should offer classes on money management

You obviously dont know chit on how your boss(JapanInc) makes their money. Toyota and everything else Japan has the help of the Japaneese government keeping the value of the Yen as high as possible. When Toyota post record profits at least 50-75% of that figure is the defecit of the current valuation between the dollar and the Yen. If Detroit had that same advantage from Washington we wouldn't be arguing about who are the ones that need to take money management class.


You forgot to mention that Tacomas are built in Mexico.

 

[DragulaGN]

You obviously dont know chit on how your boss(JapanInc) makes their money. Toyota and everything else Japan has the help of the Japaneese government keeping the value of the Yen as high as possible. When Toyota post record profits at least 50-75% of that figure is the defecit of the current valuation between the dollar and the Yen. If Detroit had that same advantage from Washington we wouldn't be arguing about who are the ones that need to take money management class.


You forgot to mention that Tacomas are built in Mexico.

And the point your trying to make is?

You obviously didnt read the thread...and are just spouting off at the mouth. Go back and read the thread about TMMK employees getting into debt because the make sooooo much money.

 

[klrv6]

I know it is out there.

And the point your trying to make is?

Go back and read the thread about TMMK employees getting into debt because the make sooooo much money.

Look, I am very good friends with employees and former employees of the Toyota credit union out in Georgetown. They are always telling my wife and I horror stories about members (no names given) who pull down income close to what you bring in a year and still have to file bankruptcy. Now, I feel bankruptcy is handled on a case by case basis and some times is unavoidable. These Toyota cases are just where they have awesome pay and want that great lifestyle they demand for having to sacrifice so much family time because of their demanding job. They default on so many loans at that credit union it's not even funny. This is why I suggested that you save some of that money you are pulling in there.

Not everyone out there mis-manages money. One friend of ours has worked out there since the first Camry shipped from Gtown. She saves every penny and is set for the rest of her life. She went out and paid cash for her brand new house, never needing a loan for anything. It seems that it's more of one extreme or the other.

Then there is the attitude so many of them have on the outside it's one of arrogance and superiority. Many TMMK employees I have met live this way because there isn't another employer in the area that can afford to pay workers that kind money. This makes so many people very defensive when it comes to their job. They have to defend it, it's all they have. Can you tell me of any other company in the central Kentucky region that pays manufacturing workers that kind of money? I feel bad for you to have that hanging over your head every day. I know one guy who for the first time since his ten year old son was born, was able to sit down with him for a weekday dinner last week. I really feel for that family, they have a hard time with him being on second shift because of the family issues it causes. It's one of those things though... once you get used to that pay, it's very hard to give it up.

 

[Pronto]

That senerio is that same around here for high tech in the late 1990s. They got huge pay and spent way beyond their means. Then the crunch came when the bubble burst. A friend of mine that was in high tech got laid off and eventually went bankrupt. Happened alot of them. The people that survived were the ones that were frugal and kept their debt to a minimum. Now the same thing is happening again with the housing crunch. The people that kept their debt managable are making it but the those that got in too deep are losing their house.

 

[turbojimmy]

I called GM and he called my house an hour later asking me to stop calling GM and he would be glad to fix my problem.

My sister went through the same thing with her new Montana minivan. They bought it in Indiana and moved here to NJ. Dealer wouldn't fix it because they didn't buy it there. She went through the 'district manager' and eventually called GM. Once the service manager found out she was calling GM he called her and told her if she ever set foot on his property again he'd call the police and have her removed.

She finally found a Chevy dealer that was willing to work on it. When it came time for me to buy a van I bought a Toyota Sienna and I let GM know why. They didn't even respond to my letter. It's been a great vehicle.

Jim

 

[klrv6]

Just keep your oil changed.

She finally found a Chevy dealer that was willing to work on it. When it came time for me to buy a van I bought a Toyota Sienna and I let GM know why. They didn't even respond to my letter. It's been a great vehicle.

Jim

Keep the oil changed in it and maybe even start using a good synthetic

Toyota Repair: 2001 toyota sienna oil sludge

I had to eat the cost of my Camry's engine because I bought the car used. I, like many others was drawn to the car because of Toyota's reputation. Seems they missed the boat on this engine design and customer service.

This is a pretty good place to start. Toyota Sludge Zone

Even if your Sienna isn't in the years listed, I would still switch to synthetic. My Camry wasn't in the years Toyota said there was a problem, mine still had the issue. Every V6 Camry since '88 could have this buildup. I think Toyota had to draw a line on what they could repair and the majority of that model on the road.

 

[turbojimmy]

Keep the oil changed in it and maybe even start using a good synthetic

Toyota Repair: 2001 toyota sienna oil sludge

I had to eat the cost of my Camry's engine because I bought the car used. I, like many others was drawn to the car because of Toyota's reputation. Seems they missed the boat on this engine design and customer service.

This is a pretty good place to start. Toyota Sludge Zone

Even if your Sienna isn't in the years listed, I would still switch to synthetic. My Camry wasn't in the years Toyota said there was a problem, mine still had the issue. Every V6 Camry since '88 could have this buildup. I think Toyota had to draw a line on what they could repair and the majority of that model on the road.

My Sienna is an '04 with the then-new 3.3 VVT engine in it. The routine maintenance on it calls for service packs (I forget what Toyota calls them) that contain oil additives. I assume that this is an attempt to avoid the sludge problems. It has 40K on it now and I've kept up with the oil changes (I have the stealer do it to be sure that there is a record of regular changes). I also bought the 7/100 extended warranty on it. Like I said, so far it's been a great vehicle. It's had some recalls, but no more than any other car I've had. Little stuff like seat belt buckles, squeaky brake fix, door latch 'clunk' sound, etc. Nusiance things, IMO. I looked at a lot of vans and it was a toss-up between the Chrysler product and the Toyota. My sister's issues with GM aside, their offerings in the minivan segment were junk.

JIm

 

[klrv6]

Oil coking.

I honestly believe that it's in the design of the head. They have the exhaust route through most of the head. Some articles I read state that the engines in question have oil temps 30 degrees higher than other engines. Just keep a record of everything. I agree on passing up the Chrysler. I have done some serious repairs to one of our friends mini vans. Not fun for an 05 model. She was out driving one day and the high pressure trans line just decided to pop off. Nice.

 

[Walker231T]

Can you tell me of any other company in the central Kentucky region that pays manufacturing workers that kind of money?

The Corvette plant in Bowling Green & the Ford Super Duty truck plant in Louisville. Matter of fact they make more.