Hot Air Performance headers for sale.

[Jerryl]

Now that I got your attention . .(Posting this against my better judgment.)
Let’s talk about HA headers . . . .

First off . . . I have headers on the car and do not need or want another set.
Edit: No, I am NOT selling my headers. At least not for what some think is "market value". - -
I started this thread in the hope of a collaborate discussion of options, for those enjoy thinking outside of the box and enjoy the "kinky punishment" you get trying to build a HA car.

I know this topic is nothing new and if you do a search you will see the same subject will come up.
So, if you are a newbie like me . . . . and plan on building a HA, better get used to the header availability challenge . . . . . Production headers are not going to happen so we may as well get used to it.

Having said all that . . . I have seen some use the IC header setup, and run a custom up-pipe from the PS headers to the stock HA turbo location.
Obviously, the IC’d header set-ups are plentiful and readily available for $730- $1000 http://www.taperformance.com/products.asp?cat=389
Obviously, the up-pipe is a LOT easier to make than the headers . . . . . You will have some money in this set-up if you choose to do this.
Yeah, if you have a welder, or a friend at a muffler shop, you can get that up-pipe made for $20, but if you want it to look nice, it may cost a bit more.
Here is the challenge.

For those who live in climates where driving a car without AC is un-American, the challenge seems to be with the AC compressor location if using the IC’d PS header.
I am not sure if the alternator location needs tweaking . . . . but is the AC compressor location issue is solved, the header issue may be a thing of the past.
Someone probably already done this, thought about it, or decided it was not worth it.

 

[dr_frankenstein]

so your selling yours?

 

[charlief1]

Using an IC header set up has advantages but to be able to use it you'd need to use the IC accessory drive and parts. I don't know if that would work for the SFI guys but for the carbed guys I don't think it would be that much of an issue. Now where are those headers you're selling.

 

[dr_frankenstein]

Using an IC header set up has advantages but to be able to use it you'd need to use the IC accessory drive and parts. I don't know if that would work for the SFI guys but for the carbed guys I don't think it would be that much of an issue. Now where are those headers you're selling.

ya sucks a bunch if you want a distributor.

 

[charlief1]

ya sucks a bunch if you want a distributor.

You can always go after market. I sent that unilite to Adam so he'd have something a little better than stock.

 

[SloGN]

From what i have seen i really don't think the header are all that restrictive. I think simply increasing the up pipe size to a 2.5/ or 2.3/4 will over come that. Then add 3 inch down pipe.


The small step down in the ball mount is really short so that will not hurt the flow as much as one would think.

 

[charlief1]

If you could reverse the ball joint on the DS header it would help flow as well as act like an anti reversion cone in the system. That's one of the things that would be fairly simple like going to a bigger up pipe.

 

[Jerryl]

so your selling yours?

.......... Now where are those headers you're selling.

Added info in original post!
You guys can't be that deperate. LMAO!
Seriously though . . . . Between the three of us, we got to be able to come up with something!

 

[charlief1]

Added info in original post!
You guys can't be that deperate. LMAO!

I remember seeing a set tha Lee did and he capped the original location where the crossover connected and added more pipe under that to where the up pipe hooked up. Not sure how effective they were but it's an idea.

 

[Jerryl]

I remember seeing a set tha Lee did and he capped the original location where the crossover connected and added more pipe under that to where the up pipe hooked up. Not sure how effective they were but it's an idea.

Really, the possibilities are numerous!
I have some concepts in my head . . . Now, if I only had the equipment and weld skills . . . .

 

[Boost231]

Added info in original post!
You guys can't be that deperate. LMAO!
Seriously though . . . . Between the three of us, we got to be able to come up with something!

i got alittle something

 

[charlief1]

I're about 5 hours south of me and I've got some headers I need to get finished. Got the drivers side and part of the crossover and have figured out the passenger side but I still need to buy the parts to do them. If you ever feel like coming up then we can brainstorm in perso.

 

[Jerryl]

i got alittle something

I bet . . . . Probably nothing most are willing to spend the $$$ on . . . . or can afford! LOL!
Seriously though, I bet it will be fantastic!

 

[dr_frankenstein]

Added info in original post!
You guys can't be that deperate. LMAO!
Seriously though . . . . Between the three of us, we got to be able to come up with something!

honestly im not really, ive been pleasently supprised at the effectiveness of the cast iron manifolds.

but id like to see if any kind of effect could be found from some nice headers.

id make my own, but im too lazy to weld that much! HA!

 

[Jerryl]

honestly im not really, ive been pleasently supprised at the effectiveness of the cast iron manifolds. . . . .

Yeah, It is my believe that in some applications, the cast manifolds would do well.
Spool-up may suffers a bit with cast, but that is easily corrected.

 

[dr_frankenstein]

Yeah, It is my believe that in some applications, the cast manifolds would do well.
Spool-up may suffers a bit with cast, but that is easily corrected.

my line of thought in this is that the slightly smaller manifolds and up pipe are better, they retain more heat and the smaller passages provide higher pressure to spin the turbine. while this may prove to be a choke point at 5300-and up, most stock sized turbos are out of breath for us by then anyways.

I try real hard to avoid the saturday night game of "pin the tach" with the small blocks.

 

[RUDE DOG]

Id like to build a set, but have to wait till I finish the car. I have some ideas of my own that I will share with everyone as soon as the time comes.
Ohh and another thing I havent learned how to tig weld yet.

 

[charlief1]

TIG's easy if you take your time and watch the metal. What I've got right now is a stainless DS header (non stock) and a 2.25" crossover. That will go to a 2.5" PS header and up pipe with at least 1 AR cone in the crossover. You have to look at the way everything works together to allow for the heat to stay in the pipes for more energy to the turbo. Ceramic coating will also keep under hood temps down as well as keep the energy level up to help spool the turbo.

 

[Boost231]

I bet . . . . Probably nothing most are willing to spend the $$$ on . . . . or can afford! LOL!
Seriously though, I bet it will be fantastic!

if your not willing to spend $$$ then you should sell your hotair and buy a 86-87 where parts are ready for purchase by a click of a button. Most of my hotair parts are custom made because,







well its a hotair thats why.

 

[SloGN]

if your not willing to spend $$$ then you should sell your hotair and buy a 86-87 where parts are ready for purchase by a click of a button. Most of my hotair parts are custom made because,







well its a hotair thats why.

i couldn't agree more! can't be a tight ass racing buicks no matter the yr model.


What i would like to see is a proper;y set-up hot-air that tuned in correctly. swapped out there aftermarket/ hand made headers for a set of the stockers to just see how big of a hp/ airflow restriction they are. With a larger uppipe and a dwonpipe i can't see how they really differ from the 86-87 units.


Has anyone actually done a back pressure test? ( no i don't mean calculateded either) using a stock set of headers? this would provide a clue as to whats really going on.