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Originally posted by d0n_3d
I wish I could find a job that pays more than $8.50/hr !!! How is anyone supposed to live off this crap...Granted I haven't complete any college yet...but what does everyone else do if they don't have a college degree? It's sad that you have to pay up the @$$ for college just to get your foot in the door...I know lots of guys who have B.S. degrees right now and they are working the same jobs as I...they can't find anything else...makes me wonder why I would even go to college...why spend $100K or more for college just to put yourself in a HUGE hole when you get out??? Doesn't make sense to me...the reason you go to college is so you can MAKE more money...not LOSE more money...sigh....:mad:
At this time I am very glad that I have a trade. I work as a locksmith. It seems like it will hard to get this done from afar. Seriously I think this country has lost sight of the importance of people who work as trades people. We may not be the smartest but we seem to work every day for a lot more than minimum wage.
 
Originally posted by bishir
I think so. We want to buy whatever cost the cheapest in the store and usually it's whatever was the cheapest to produce. Then we as American workers demand to be paid very high incomes with great healthcare, vacations, for our work making very good but expensive products that we as Americans don't want to buy because it costs more than the competition. Just think what's going to happen as China continues to modernize it's country and that's just for starters. Just think if Africa ever stops fighting civil wars and fighting diseases. Then America's time on top will be very limited. Maybe it's time to put higher Tarrifs on foriegn goods? I know when they dropped the steel tarriffs hundreds of American steel mills shut their doors including the one my dad worked for in Indiana.

BTW, I think one of the biggest scams is the fact people believe buying Japanesse cars are okay because most are made in the US and it give Americans jobs. It does, but where does the big money really go? When I was in the Suburu plant in Indiana all the Engineers and higher skilled workers looked like they were just brought over from Japan for a few months of work.
Here's a kicker.Have you ever checked out the domestic content label on new cars? Last month I went to the mall and did a little shopping with the woman. On display was a Ford Exploder Sport Crap. Transmission assembled in France, Engine assembled in Chile. At least when you buy a GM the parts may not be manufactored in the US but it is assembled here.

Eric Fisher
 
Thanks Guys,
Well if the day job doesn't pan out, I have a DEFENSE CONTRACTOR in my City with tons of jobs. Seems to be the LAST American thing done here. :(

YOU know when Pronto & myself were back in high school 1973-77. We had a teacher at Arlington Sr high called Mr Lavery.

He hit it right on the nose. We won WW2 but were going too lose on the long run.
He was prejudice as all heck & very biased (back then you could get away with being like that & not get sued)

Anyway he said the foreigners would make telephone watches & little nuke bombs that you could throw at someone & POOF you blow them up.
He was correct on the small type phones But I am kinda glad he was wrong with the nuke device :D
 
I have no higher than a high school diploma and I work in a skilled sevice industry.The thing about my spot that is good is that I have to do the service in this country.No phd from india is going to repair or install elevators over a phone.I started in this trade non-union as a helper for $9 an hour and worked for as much as $25 an hour as a mechanic.The only problem I have these days is that the company I worked for was bought by a large Union company.Now I am classified a helper until I finish the unions school and take their mechanics exam.I have no problem with education,more can never hurt.I can't complain because I get paid $20.52 an hour just to help a guy all day,I don't even have to think if I don't want to.Just sucks that I have the skill to work as a mechanic and aint allowed to.I would say I am a lucky person,but I have worked very hard for what I have and most people that work in the places I have to go to complain about the slightest of problems.They usually have some cushy office job too.People have done it to themselves.College degrees don't mean squat anymore unless you are a doctor or lawyer or something like that.I agree that the service industry is the way to go.You just have to choose the right one to make it.
 
DON"T SAY LAWYERS!!!!
We don't need any more of them!
They're the ones that got us into this mess in the first place!







I'm never gonna finish this car!:(
 
Originally posted by phil conrad
At this time I am very glad that I have a trade. I work as a locksmith. It seems like it will hard to get this done from afar. Seriously I think this country has lost sight of the importance of people who work as trades people. We may not be the smartest but we seem to work every day for a lot more than minimum wage.

Amen brother. And I'm speaking as somebody who DOESN'T have a trade, so to speak. When I went off to college more than ten years ago, my father wanted to give me some capital to start up my own residential painting business here in Northern NJ. Alwyas had a talent for it, and genuininely enjoyed doing it (used to do it through summers, etc). But I said "BAH, I shall go to college, graduate with a degree in English and spend my days sitting atop a tree stump writing poetry and what not".

Boy, looking back, I think the painting would have been a good bet. Nobody (at least in my general vicinity) does any of their own work on their houses anymore. Two income families with kids - they just don't have the time (or perhaps the interest) in getting their hands dirty, and contractors are cleaning up. I envy people who are involved in trades - plumbers, electricians, you name it - they are laughing all the way to the bank. In fact, most of the largest homes in my neighborhood are owned not by CEO's and CFO's, but by landscapers and contractors.

That's not to say that my wife and I haven't done very well for ourselves and we certainly wouldn't trade our college educations for all the money in the world - I've been in telecom for 8 years on the sales side, and it's paid very well and I definitely use elements of my degree every day. But the one thing that I really don't have and may never have is job security. Hell, I was laid off TWICE by large companies by the time I was 25.

Needless to say, after investigating many career changes in the past two years, it looks like I may be starting that painting business anyway (at least on a part-time basis). And when my kid grows up, I will definitely instill in him/her the value of learning a trade.

And I think this country is going to find itself in a pickle in years to come - we have no manufacturing anymore, and now we're outsourcing tech jobs to India. That will come back to bite us in the *ss, because while I see "potential" cost savings and higher profits for some companies (again, the outsourcing argument is really not black and white), the wealth generated by this outsourcing will LINE THE POCKETS OF BOARD MEMBERS and will not trickle down to consumers in the form of lower prices, etc. And at the end of the day, we lose jobs and create no new ones.

People say that my generation is living better than my parents did, but I think that's a load of crap. I may have more "stuff", but I don't have the quality of life that my parents enjoyed growing up.

Sorry for the rant.
Rich
 
VERY TRUE about having a TRADE..

I have come to think of this as maybe a wake up call.
I feel I personally I get more satisfaction out of a job
were you produce something.

My Dad in Law was bored with retirement. He ran a repair dept
at a company that was eventually bought out by some overseas company.
His repair dept had all types of skilled workers. I could have him
make up almost anything or fix anything.
Anyway he is working 3 days a week installing boilers with his cousin & loving it. Making more money than when he worked.

As for the Trade guys I can tell they are making good money cause when I went by the strip club at 4pm today all the trucks & vans in the lot had company names on them :)
 
Sorry to hear about that.I hate the fact that corperations are sending jobs overseas.At least they aren't able to send mine.
i R a tRuK dRivR = job security & the pay is decent.
Nothing is 100 percent american anymore not even Harleys.
 
Originally posted by bishir
I think so. We want to buy whatever cost the cheapest in the store and usually it's whatever was the cheapest to produce. Then we as American workers demand to be paid very high incomes with great healthcare, vacations, for our work making very good but expensive products that we as Americans don't want to buy because it costs more than the competition. Just think what's going to happen as China continues to modernize it's country and that's just for starters. Just think if Africa ever stops fighting civil wars and fighting diseases. Then America's time on top will be very limited. Maybe it's time to put higher Tarrifs on foriegn goods? I know when they dropped the steel tarriffs hundreds of American steel mills shut their doors including the one my dad worked for in Indiana.

BTW, I think one of the biggest scams is the fact people believe buying Japanesse cars are okay because most are made in the US and it give Americans jobs. It does, but where does the big money really go? When I was in the Suburu plant in Indiana all the Engineers and higher skilled workers looked like they were just brought over from Japan for a few months of work.

Hello, do you still have your factory rims? if so do you wish to get rid of them?
Charles
 
Originally posted by strikeeagle
The implication is that we should be happy to pay a guy who eats rice and fish heads 10 cents a month to make a doorknob or whatever, so that we don't have to make it, so that we are free to do something more productive with our short time on earth.

BTW, the Chinese are already sweating the fact that THEIR labor costs are too high, so what goes around comes around.

It's simple economics, if somebody can make it cheaper than you, you will not make it. That's the way the world works.

It's not a good time to be skill-less in America. Unless your 50 Cent, the ex-crack dealer, who made $18,000,000 last year, and has his own line of athletic shoes...

:D

I wouldnt call him skill-less, he sold drugs so what. He has made a career change, and now he is a multi-multi-million dollar man. I am not a big fan of his, but I wouldnt call him skill-less. Oh yeah, and his skill is rap. He have to be doing something right, if he is selling music.
Not trying to start any flamming
Charles
 
Originally posted by d0n_3d
I wish I could find a job that pays more than $8.50/hr !!! How is anyone supposed to live off this crap...Granted I haven't complete any college yet...but what does everyone else do if they don't have a college degree? It's sad that you have to pay up the @$$ for college just to get your foot in the door...I know lots of guys who have B.S. degrees right now and they are working the same jobs as I...they can't find anything else...makes me wonder why I would even go to college...why spend $100K or more for college just to put yourself in a HUGE hole when you get out??? Doesn't make sense to me...the reason you go to college is so you can MAKE more money...not LOSE more money...sigh....:mad:

This is one of the reasons that I joined the AF, I needed something to support my family. I wanted to do something that I felt was good for the US, and I wanted job stability. So far, it hasnt been a bad choice. Oh yeah, and college is free for my wife and I. I am NOT a recruiter, I just think that its not a bad choice, if you dont have anything else going. I dont make that much money, but I am definately not doing bad.
Charles
 
Originally posted by charleslong
This is one of the reasons that I joined the AF, I needed something to support my family. I wanted to do something that I felt was good for the US, and I wanted job stability. So far, it hasnt been a bad choice. Oh yeah, and college is free for my wife and I. I am NOT a recruiter, I just think that its not a bad choice, if you dont have anything else going. I dont make that much money, but I am definately not doing bad.
Charles

Yes, but even YOUR job could go overseas!:eek: - granted, at least YOU would be going along with it, and eventually you and it would come back to the USA!;)
 
Originally posted by ncgreg231
Yes, but even YOUR job could go overseas!:eek: - granted, at least YOU would be going along with it, and eventually you and it would come back to the USA!;)
LOL, I didnt look at it like that, that is funny, but true. The reason we go overseas, is not for the same reasons that companies decide to go overseas. We normally have some kind of mission to do. LOL, not for cheaper pay, man I needed that laugh.
Charles
 
more laughs?

Originally posted by charleslong
The reason we go overseas, is not for the same reasons that companies decide to go overseas.
Most definitely!!!

Originally posted by charleslong
LOL, not for cheaper pay
Come to think of it, you'll actually be getting paid more! Maybe Hazardous Duty Pay? Imminent Danger Pay? Seperation allowance? Combat Pay?:eek: (unless u r a REMF;) ) and TAX FREE!:D (of which I've been paid a few myself earlier in my life)

Oh, but one extra pay you probably won't get - SEA pay!:p
 
Re: more laughs?

Originally posted by ncgreg231
Most definitely!!!


Come to think of it, you'll actually be getting paid more! Maybe Hazardous Duty Pay? Imminent Danger Pay? Seperation allowance? Combat Pay?:eek: (unless u r a REMF;) ) and TAX FREE!:D (of which I've been paid a few myself earlier in my life)

Oh, but one extra pay you probably won't get - SEA pay!:p

Yeah,
On the last one, I dont think I ever wanna get that one. Im a land man only.
 
Re: more laughs?

Originally posted by ncgreg231
Most definitely!!!


Come to think of it, you'll actually be getting paid more! Maybe Hazardous Duty Pay? Imminent Danger Pay? Seperation allowance? Combat Pay?:eek: (unless u r a REMF;) ) and TAX FREE!:D (of which I've been paid a few myself earlier in my life)

Oh, but one extra pay you probably won't get - SEA pay!:p

which branch of service were you in?
Charles
 
i guess it's not all that bad...i am very young (21) and have plenty of time to make something of myself...just seems like 75% of people my age are just "struggling" to live a good life...but i guess nobody at this age is supposed to have a cakewalk right away huh?

i plan on going to Devry University in the fall to complete my B.S. in Computers...i am just scared that i won't find a job that pays 50K+...everything is going overseas...oh well at least i am gonna try...

not to mention the job market SUCKS up here where i live....most of this area is Steel mills and factory work (where work is hurting at the moment)...so lots of laid of guys are trying to find the same jobs i am and that's why i am having a hard time i guess...maybe it's just my area...who knows....
 
i guess it's not all that bad...i am very young (21) and have plenty of time to make something of myself...just seems like 75% of people my age are just "struggling" to live a good life...but i guess nobody at this age is supposed to have a cakewalk right away huh?

Struggling Hah! Theres nobody born in this country that knows the meaning of the word.


i plan on going to Devry University in the fall to complete my B.S. in Computers...i am just scared that i won't find a job that pays 50K+...everything is going overseas...oh well at least i am gonna try...

If you follow the crowd and do what they do, you won't stand out. A job that pays 50k a year is no problem in todays society. You could be making that with 3 months of training in a number of fields if that is your goal but if I were you I would think bigger. I know guys making more than that mowing lawns.

not to mention the job market SUCKS up here where i live....most of this area is Steel mills and factory work (where work is hurting at the moment)...so lots of laid of guys are trying to find the same jobs i am and that's why i am having a hard time i guess...maybe it's just my area...who knows....

You haven't seen a sucky job market and probably never will in this country. Imagine living in a country without a minimum wage and you have to beg to get any job if you can even find one. Not having the luxury to actually decide what you want to do. Then welcome to what 90% of the rest of the world has to deal with. This is still the land of opportunity and nobody living in this country has any ideal of what tuff times are. Why do you think when foreigners come to this country they excel. Because they are used to working their butt off for that bowl of rice and fish heads another poster was talking about. Bust your butt, be smart and you'll make out fine. This is the greatest country in the world right now and there are more opportunitys here than anywhere and 90% of the rest of the world would trade places with you in a heartbeat so get after it and good luck.:D :D :D
 
Re: Re: more laughs?

Originally posted by charleslong
which branch of service were you in?
Charles

heh heh, I'll give you ONE hint:

Never Again Volunteer Yourself...

:D
 
Keeping Job

Just got the word tonight.
Get to keep my job but on days.
For awhile there I thought it was gonna be SO LONG!

Even better news is my stint driving to Mass is only 2 weeks.
Then back to my office in New hampshire..

Major heavy duty learning UNIX Solaris, & Veritas with the day guys over the next few months. :)

Closer to New England dragway in summertime too..
Boy I am as Happy as a PIG In Shhitt!;) ;) ;)
 
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