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christian237

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so my car is at the paint shop getting ready i go over yersterday to take a door cuz my passenger has 2much wrought i figured i will use my spare. while im looking at the work done the guy their ask me if the car has a kill switch on it cuz they cant get the car started.i state no the car was working fine when i drove it their. he says that it turned on when they drove it out of the shop to park outside the day before(they park the car inside the shop to avoid theft) but when they tried to start later on that day it wouldnt turn on. they said the battery was dead so they pushed it inn and back out the next day yesterday. i tried cranking the car on but it wouldnt turn. their was gas in the tank i could hear the pump come on when i turned the swich but nothing. he called the mechanic over from the shop next door to see if he can help. the guy removes a spark plug wire and ask me to try to turn the engine.after doing so he says im not getting any spark it might be the coil pack. he goes and grabs his machine to plug in the car the machine said it was the idle air control module. he trys to start the car again??nothing again so he trys one more time the thing is the engine is just turning and the guy is turning the ignition on for a steady 10-15 seconds as im getting ready to say ur gonna f something up i hear a zing zing zing..:eek:he just mess up the starter it sounds like an fn whistlea kid blows on.. and says hmm ur statr just went out..i look at the guy that was suppose to work on my paint job and say so i bring the car here it runs fine u said u turned it on and drove it out but couldnt get it started now my car wont only start for some reason but the starter is broken now.he says hes baffled its not like they drove the car around just in and out the shop. i say how much longer till ur done with the paintyouve had the car for a little over 2weeks. he states it should be 2 more all the prep is done its just changing the front floor boards cuz of the wrought. i say ok and as i hand him the keys he says i will try to remove the starter and see if the starter is gone. i say it is but tit doesnt mateert now the starter is gone and if it gets replaced the car still wont turn on becuz the starter was working fine before.and i leave with wat to do now.

now i con understand that something might mess up on the car if its the coil i understand no problem. heres the thing that mechanic next door he fooked up that starter he was working he tampered with it and messed it up thats how i feel. now i decided that on the day i go pick up my car with its nice new paint i am going to thell the guy. that he is not going to get paid the rest of that money untill my car is working he can try to comprimise at the very least change the starter and then he will get paid i am going to walk with him to the shop next door and talk to that mechanic and his boss if their and tell them u broke my starter u were not getting paid for the service this i know,but u were on working hours and wearing the company uniform their for u and ur shop r responsible for the damages and should fix it.. am i right am i wrong any lawyers in here:rolleyes: let me know what u as a tr member,mechanic etc.. think
 
Did you type this on a cell phone???? Its very hard to understand. From what I gathered, you took the car to get painted, it broke (Its a TR :rolleyes:), they messed up the starter by trying to start the car, its still not painted, and its still broke. The mechanic probably didnt "tamper" with anything, it sounds like he was trying to do the paint shop a favor and now your ready to throw him under the bus. I know your mad but chit happens with cars, tell them to put a crank sensor in it.
 
I use my cell phone to post comments here on the board, youtube, and other sites. You will have to do something about the way you're posting. It makes it way too hard to read and understand.

As for the car, I'd try the crank sensor too. The painter is not at fault, nor is the mechanic that tried to help you for free. You can try to keep from paying, this will lead to storage fees after the work is completed. You could put it on them to fix it. If it proves to be a random part failure you will be stuck with the parts and labor bill. Oh and the starter will fall under the random part failure too.

Next time you will remember to write down the mileage to the tenth when you drop it off and check it everytime you visit. Joyrides add miles, burnouts leave rubber, abuse comes in many forms but you have to know "how" to prove it.
 
Holy... wow... uhm....

I would go with crank sensor also. The tach should show some bars during cranking. If not, then no crank signal and tach will not light up and no spark. Starter, coincidence I think. You have to crank them for a lot longer than 10-15 seconds to get them hot enough to damage them like that. We had a pickup come into the dealership that they had to unhook the battery because the starter got stuck cranking for almost 4 minutes. Barely cooked the paint on the starter.
 
i understand. i do wanna maintain a good relationship the guy does a great job and gave me a great deal on all the work.thats y i wanted some feedback i will get the crank sensor and see if that works if no i will try a new coil pack
 
sounds like a great time to put in a LT1 starter/mini starter they are around $100 and are like 10 pounds lighter. crank sensors are like $30 the last time i bought one
 
another 02 cents

stuff happens, consider yourself in their shoes. it's not like they were trying to damage your car or starter or anything else. consider how many times it's started with no problems, if it was on it's last leg then maybe it would have went out with you trying to start it under normal daily driving or how ever you use it. now if you pulled in and they were doing a burn out contest in your car or something else stupid then i could understand. but seriously i think the mechanic tried to help as much as possible without going into your pocket. atleast it's the starter or crank sensor and not your fly wheel missing teeth. i'm sure that would costs alot more then a starter or sensor.
 
Things like this happen on older cars. I had a Buick LeSabre (307 engine) I was going to put an oil pan gasket on and when I went to start the car it burped once and nothing. The boss thought I did something wrong and I told him the timing set went out. He got mad at me but when I took the pan off I showed him the chunks of plastic off the the cam gear He knew I was right. He still didn't like it but knew it wasn't my fault. The customer wasn't mad about it either and ended up giving the car to his grand daughter. She's still driving it.
 
Things like this happen on older cars. I had a Buick LeSabre (307 engine) I was going to put an oil pan gasket on and when I went to start the car it burped once and nothing. The boss thought I did something wrong and I told him the timing set went out. He got mad at me but when I took the pan off I showed him the chunks of plastic off the the cam gear He knew I was right. He still didn't like it but knew it wasn't my fault. The customer wasn't mad about it either and ended up giving the car to his grand daughter. She's still driving it.

Its always the mechanics fault :rolleyes: "well you were the last one to work on it" yeah but I wasnt working anywhere near the part that broke :rolleyes:. Its a thankless job, everyone thinks your out to get them.
 
Its always the mechanics fault :rolleyes: "well you were the last one to work on it" yeah but I wasnt working anywhere near the part that broke :rolleyes:. Its a thankless job, everyone thinks your out to get them.

You are SOOOO right DD. You don't even want to get me started on this subject.:biggrin: It would be an UGLY thread for sure.:eek:
 
I got news for you, it still ain't gonna start with a new starter on it. Needs to be CORRECTLY diagnosed by some one familiar with 23-25 year old GM cars.

You seem to have a no start with no spark, do a search on this website for some insight. Quit blaming other people.

And there's no such thing as an idle air control module. You should know this. How old is your car? Stuff breaks on old cars.

"were can i get the mini starter. is it ez fit no mods?" Can't re-use the old starter bolts.
 
its still not going to start with a new starter but nontheless i need to get one so i can find out what the problem is.once i replace the starter i will see if the coil pack has ignition if so then i will go to the local parts store and purchase a crank sensor luckily they have it in stock if its not running by the time the paint dry's i will tow it to my mechanic
 
Its always the mechanics fault :rolleyes: "well you were the last one to work on it" yeah but I wasnt working anywhere near the part that broke :rolleyes:. Its a thankless job, everyone thinks your out to get them.

My God, you are so right here, DailyDrifter. Truer words never more spoken. When I worked as a mechanic at a dealership, I went out of my way to double, triple check my work so this would never apply to me. Never got a car back. But I did get my whole tool set stolen by my boss while I was in the hospital. :(He was out to get me. Took me over 25 years to build up my tool set again and swore I'd never work at a dealership again...they are all out to get everyone. The independent repair shops seems to be more honest with people. Well, at least with me, but I do my own work because I trust no one. Good post, DD.

Bruce '87 Grand National
 
I changed the sensor and got the coil pack tested came out good but the car still won't start. I'm not getting any spark at the coil pack when I crank the engine it sounds like it wants to start but no.it smells like gas after a few cranks and the fuel pump can b heard when I turn the key on. Any ideas
 
Could it be you have the factory alarm system and maybe 1 of the door locks are hanging in the door and its locked arming the system or shorting out?I am not sure if its cut fuel or spark.
 
im gonna have to check and see if the car has the factory alarm.i believe they were starter cutt off.the previous owner doesnt know if it had it im gonna wait till 2morrow and check the sticker i believe the code is ua6.the passenger door is removed cuz its being replaced.im thinking maybe the electronic spark control module could have gone bad.i opened the computer to check if the board burned but it was all good no smell of burning. other then that the body work is coming out good car should b primered this friday and paint done by next friday hopefully the car will b running and not towed over to hyetek performance
 
I changed the sensor and got the coil pack tested came out good but the car still won't start. I'm not getting any spark at the coil pack when I crank the engine it sounds like it wants to start but no.it smells like gas after a few cranks and the fuel pump can b heard when I turn the key on. Any ideas
Why did you take anything apart? Why not have a reputable tech look at it? Nobody's asking you the right questions!!! (just to level the playing field, I am an ase master mechanic that specializes in driveability) No spark alone is 10%. Do you have injector pulse? That would have ruled out the coil pack. Turn the key on. Do you have a check engine light? The orange wire at the battery powers the pcm. If that isn't working, nothings happening!!! Is the cam turning, or is the timing chain an issue? Not trying to be rude, but any reputable tech worth his salt should be able to evaluate this car in 5-10 min and at least have an idea before ANY parts are pulled! I own a garage and I get this all the time. Usually when a car is a virgin breakdown it's not too bad, but once a "novice with pride" f**cks with it, it can get ugly! Not busting your balls, but have some that know's what they are doing fix it! Again, no disrespect!!
 
trying to see if it was something simple:rolleyes:anyways car is getting towed when its finished getting painted since my mechanic is adding a few things and tuning afterwerds figured id throw some cash his way
 
Why did you take anything apart? Why not have a reputable tech look at it? Nobody's asking you the right questions!!! (just to level the playing field, I am an ase master mechanic that specializes in driveability) No spark alone is 10%. Do you have injector pulse? That would have ruled out the coil pack. Turn the key on. Do you have a check engine light? The orange wire at the battery powers the pcm. If that isn't working, nothings happening!!! Is the cam turning, or is the timing chain an issue? Not trying to be rude, but any reputable tech worth his salt should be able to evaluate this car in 5-10 min and at least have an idea before ANY parts are pulled! I own a garage and I get this all the time. Usually when a car is a virgin breakdown it's not too bad, but once a "novice with pride" f**cks with it, it can get ugly! Not busting your balls, but have some that know's what they are doing fix it! Again, no disrespect!!

Good post. I'm no mechanic but you need certain things for a car to start. Having a volt meter, noid lite etc will save many hours of throwing parts at it.
 
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