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Like the subject line says...I've searched but there is too much jargon, abbreviation, and talking as if all understand for me to clearly understand what is available, what is required in combination with other parts, and what is preferred.

I currently use 50's...may go bigger. Getting tired of chasing chips. Don't need anything real fancy, nor real complicated...so can a couple experts chime in with recommendations?

Additionally, does this concept require O2 sensor, is the extender the chip to match the Translator or T+?? I'm almost completely unknowledgable here so please use small words :)

Thanks, Bob
 
The translator lets you run a MAF other than the stock buick one which aren't that readily available. The translator plus lets you adjust the spark by up to 14 degrees. The LS1 and LT1 are different size MAFs one is 3 in. dia. and one is 3.5in. dia. The translator will cut the air flow reading in half so the ECM can understand the signal from the different MAF you run. I myself don't know to much about extender chips. I have a chip made by Jim Testa for my modifications that I'm happy with. :) Tarey D.
 
In a nutshell, well make that a pistachio nutshell. ;)

LS1 is the big 3.5" MAF get that one. :)

LT1 is 3" and maybe there is a 3.5" one available too for some cars I dunno just get the LS1 version.

Translator + allows timing adjustability get that one.

Extender chip allows for MAF reading above 255 and also for WOT fueling adjustments get that chip for the most flexibility and adjustment. Lots of options available in that chip.

I think you need the O2 sensor. Not sure if you can run open loop all the time, maybe with the latest version. ;)


If you are considering running open loop all the time I would get the translator + and the Maxeffort chip like I have. :)
 
Hopefully I can translate (excuse the pun) some of the info for you.

The Translator is a box that interfaces between the car's ECM and the MAF you choose to replace the stock plastic MAF. The primary reason being several: The stock MAF when it dies is very difficult to get replaced, reliably. And the Chevy MAFs flow significantly better than the stock unit, even the 3" LT1 variety.

The most common MAFs to use are the 3" LT1 (from an Impala SS, and many others), or the 3.5" LS1
To run the Cevy MAFs you do of course need a Translator.
Inside the Translator are some switches that allow some adjustments to the BASE and WOT fuel delivery, however complete use of these switches requires the Extender chip (which I'll get to later).

In the Translator + (plus), you get the addition of BASE and WOT timing adjustments that allow you to make very sophisticated adjustemts to your timing curve. It also requires the addition of another wire spliced into the coil pack modules wiring harness. Not real tough, but some folks shy away from cutting wires.
It really IS worth the effort though, for many reasons. Not the least of which is being able to make your chip of choice both a street chip and a race chip (timing wise) by manipulating the timing curves.

OK. Now on to the Extender chip. This chip is like any other you would buy. It goes into the ECM. But that's where the similarity ends, and the fun starts!! I'll explain:

The chip originally was conceived to "extend" the ECM's ability to properly meter fuel at WOT. The stock setup and chips (stock or aftermarket) weren't able to do this properly because of the ECM's limit to measure any MAF readings beyond 255. Of course our engines are able to injest MUCH more airflow than that once you start approaching 15# of boost or more. That's why there was so much fuel pressure tweaking needed to go from street trim to race setup :mad:
The Extender "fools" the ECM into thinking that it's seeing half the airflow it really is, and will never (in most cases) reach the 255 limit and deliver fuel properly, and of course fuel delivery is properly maintained even after this "halving" by some other clever programming in the chip. So what you see on your scan tool is MAF readings that are half what you would expect.

The Extender has "grown" substantially since then and now is packed with some of the NEATEST features available to the user :D
Some of these features are:

Anti Theft, with valet and conveniece features. This anti theft feature, unlike any others, can be turned on or off by the user, and can be set to valet mode by the user.

Shift Light. (flashes the SES light at a pre determined rpm) (user adjustable)

WOT TCC lock up. (speed at lock up user definable, and can be turned on or off by the user).

Open Loop Idle. (can be turned on or off by the user)

Lean Cruise. (can be turned on or off by the user)

Spool fuel. (user adjustable)

Launch assist. (on or off by user)

There are other features available and being "played" with. ;)

I highly recommend getting the Extender as part of a package with the Translator and MAF.

The tuning power it puts in your hands is unbelievable!!
The beauty of the whole system is, you now have one chip that TRUELY will fill the bill as either a sedate street chip, or a full on race chip.
I too got tired of all the fenagling I had to do between race chips/setups, and street chips/setups (and I even made my own chips!).
Without making any other changes to the car, my own street and race chips were finally able to better anything I could buy (because I could more easilly try different things).
However after switching over to the Translator +, LS1 MAF, and Extender combination, I have gone so much quicker and faster on the one chip than I could with any other previous varieties, including my own!!!!

No more fiddling with fuel pressure guesses, etc... Now I have swithch settings in the Translator to make the whole thing a steet chip, and another setting for full on race. The only tweaking I have to do at the track is in the WOT fueling to possibly compensate for different tracks (altitudes, etc.)

The only requirement needed to take full advantage of all the Extender's features is a scan tool able to monitor Block Learn (BLM) cells.
And of course NO self respecting Turbo Regal owner would be caught without some sort of scan tool at their disposal !!!!!!!!!!!!

I use a Scanmaster II for my daily driving chores, and Direct Scan for the track.

Hope that helps. Anyother questions or anything needs clerifying, just "holler".
 
Wow...thanks for the time taken to send me this info: Tarey, Allan, Dave, and especially you Mike :)

Bout how much does all this stuff cost??

Bob
 
The 3 inch part # 25180303 is $98. list $196.
Thr 3.5 inch is #25179711 is $105. list is $216.
Get them from GM Parts direct .com. You'll pay about $22 for ship and handling but it's the best price going.:D
Tarey D.
 
Thought of another question....

Is the Extender chip specific to one injector size, or can the same chip adapt to any size injector?

Thanks again, Bob
 
They are specific to injector.

If running just the MAF Translator then you chose a spark advance based on your intended octane.

Bob
 
Great info Dave. Thanks

I too had no idea what all that stuff was or did. I'm not that good at tunning (as you can see) so I figured the less settings to adjust the better it will be for now. Eventually I get into the hole bigger MAF deal.
:D
 
Thanks Bob...I understand the first sentance but not the second. Can you speak in a little less shorthand??

Did you mean the MAF translater without an Extender chip, a MAF translater vs the translater +, running a translater without the LS1 MAF, or something else??

Sent you a private e-mail a few days ago asking these same questions, but assumed it was never received.

Bob
 
"If running just the MAF Translator then you chose a spark advance based on your intended octane. "

That means without the + feature you don't have timing control in the translator box.

Unless you buy the new timing control box. ;)

So you would pick a chip either extender, or conventional with timing suited to your octane level and the timing is all contained in the chip features.
 
Originally posted by tracer
Is the extender good to go with a modified ECM and low impedence injectors?

Yes. But if you're looking at getting down close to the 10's, the Extender Extreme might be required. (more airflow capacity).
 
OK I think I understand...the hot setup is the LS1 MAF, the Translator +, and an Extender chip. I think that allows relatively easy fueling and timing changes and requires an O2 sensor. But if I change injector size I need a different extender chip :( T+ takes a splice in the harness :( Anything I missed??

Sound right??

What do you think my chances are for tricking Mike into believing my wife ordered this for me for Christmas, and the guy won't send it?? ;) Seriously, nice gesture there Mike.

Assuming that doesn't work...what are the costs of these parts and where?

Thanks to all...especially you Dave...very nice lengthy description...you too Allan....it appears you guys have answered questions that many of us have.

Bob
 
Everything you need is available from Ramchargers at www.ramchargers.com Other vendors probable sell these, but Ramchargers is the manufacturer. We also have a good resource here with Bob Bailey (TurboBob) on this board. Bob Bailey is the brains behind all these toys.

Current pricing on the Trans Plus is $279
the Extender chip is $99
3.5" LS1 MAF sensor is $149

If you really don't want to cut the factory harness for the timing wire, there is a (kinda pricey) plug-n-play harness available....but it is only one wire you have to cut.

I mounted Trans plus box in the glove box using a couple of the 6 foot extender harnesses that Ramchargers sells for $15 ea.

So you're looking at about $550 for the set-up.....you will have to think about how you'll mate up the 3.5" sensor....that will depend on how the intake is set-up on your car.

If you change injectors, all that is required is a re-burn on the chip. Shouldn't cost more than $25....but some suppliers allow 2 or 3 reburns w/o any charges. Everything else is adjustable through either the Translator box or the Extender chip. You can go from a low timing, pump gas street chip to a full bore race chip with a knob turns in the Trans box.

Very cool....I like mine.

John
 
Two questions:

Is the Extender chip burned specifically for your combo, and are the "presets" preprogrammed in, or can the user define these presets at will?

When will the whole package go on sale?
 
Originally posted by Crazy D
Two questions:

Is the Extender chip burned specifically for your combo, and are the "presets" preprogrammed in, or can the user define these presets at will?

When will the whole package go on sale?

The Extender is burned more toward the injectors (primarilly because it is so versitile and tuneable) and octane than anything else.

There are however different defaults that must be answered when ordering, such as.
What kind of datastream (regular or high speed) to fit the Scanmaster.

Baseline octane rating (determined by timing curves) Example: mine is a 98 octane chip, so the WOT timing is 23/21 (23º in 1st and 2nd gears) (21º in 3rd and 4th gears). I reduce the timing for street use, and increase it for racing depending on the quality of gas available and the density air.

Wastegate parameters (what kind of boost you'd like to run). Mine is set at 100% because I run the Boost Command for boost control (Another neat TurboBob device).

Then theres the Idle/ rev limit/shiftlite parameters. (many to choose from)

And finally, what anti theft features you want:
none
anti theft plus convenience
anti theft plus programmable valet mode
just progammable valet mode
full time valet (?????)
custome options.

All of these features can of course be detailed by a call to Ramchargers :D
 
TurboDave,

I understand that a change of injectors size would necessitate a "reburn" of the extender chip.

Question: Will a change from the stock turbo to a Ta-49, or 62 require a reburn?

Thanks,
 
No...changing the turbo won't require a change in the chip.

There seems to be a lot of questions about what features are available on the Extender chip. I purchased one recently and here is the "menu". Realize when you look at the Octane(timing) list that with the Trans plus box you can change the timing +/- 10 degrees from the chip setting.

These letters and numbers allow you to make the part number for the chip you want....for example mine is a BSJ54A1E (009 injectors / 98 octane)

Extender Chip Rev E (December ‘02)

P/N B(datastream)(inj)(octane)(wastegate)(idle/rev/shiftlite)(theft/valet)(revision)

datastream ID (for more info http://midwestracing.hostin.com/smdatadef.htm)
S-Stock data stream
W-new high speed with IAC and O2 Cross Counts, requires Scanmaster 2.1
Y-old high speed, works with Scanmaster 2.0 and 2.1
Z-low speed mode, works with everything

Injector
A-stock/red top
B-greenstripes
C-bluetop
D-868
E-36 Lucas
F-38 MSD
G-Greentop 803
H-Redstrip
J-009
K-43 lb limetop (Lightning)
L-50 MSD
M-52 Lucas
N-52 bosch
P-55 Siemens
R-65 Siemens
S-72 Siemens
T-72/75 MSD
X-Custom injector or fuel delivery

Octane (WOT spark advance degs: low gear/high gear)
1-91 (17/15)
2-92 (18/16)
3-93 (19/17)
4-96 (21/19)
5-98 (23/21)
6-104 (25/23)
7-108 (27/25)
8-108+ (29/27)
x-custom spark advance

Wastegate % low/high gear
1-60/50
2-70/60
3-80/75
4-85/80 = about 16 psi with the stock wastegate, good street setting
5-90/85
6-95/90
7-100/95 = typical race setting, about 19-20 psi w/ stock wastegate
x-custom wastegage setting

Idle / RevLimit
A 750/5800 stock cam
B 800/5800 200-208 cam
C 850/6100 210-218 cam
D 900/6300 big cam
E 1000/6300 big cam
F 850/none 200-208 cam
G 900/none 210-218 cam
H 1000/none big cam
X custom

Theft prevention / custom option
0-no anti-theft or valet provisions
1-anti-theft + convenience/valet mode
x-custom option / feature

Convenience: can disable anti-theft temporarily, car will drive normally
Programmable valet: can disable anti-theft temporarily, WOT prevented

Revision - current software rev is “E”

Hope this helps,
John
 
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