NEED URGENT FEEDBACK PLEASE!?!?!

[3-5.0]

I'd really wait for a whole rebuild until I've heard more from the people on this board. From reading this board, I get the feeling the builder can cause more problems on a rebuild. Especially if they've never done a turbo Buick V-6 and it wasn't needed in the first place.

I kinda get that impression from some posts here n there too. Somebody said the worst thing he ever did was start diggin into his car...I mean I don't know sh*t about these cars but...

Especially if the car has only 27k,I'd try to baseline it and just get it going and driving good first. I know the need for speed-I understand it but if your not going to race it may be a better route.

 

[3-5.0]

...also does the car have all the other "stuff" that usually becomes a necessity?. Scanmaster,new brakes,MAF+translator,etc etc etc. They add up,that might take the wind outta your sails..

 

[scot w.]

Im in Afghanistan. the car is in Killeen/Ft. Hood Texas.

WOW SCOT.. thats pretty quick.

Yeah, it's not too shabby.... lol

Don't do anything "Hasty" right now because there are several great Buick guy's in Texas that i'm sure can swing by and give you a hand or at least some pointers...

The members here would rather see you get your car going well rather than throw money at it and get no where, they want you to have fun rather than get discouraged like many newcomers have...


SW.

 

[grey racer]

All these guys are absolutely right....before you start dumping money into it, try to understand the process first.
Just hearing that you want to put a big ole turbo on that setup indicates that you need to slow down and read more on this board
before you make any big money decisions...you'll get many different ideas about what will work for you and if you do your
homework, you can save a bunch of money and the results will put a smile on your face.

 

[KingLouis]

Double post. Delete please

 

[KingLouis]

I was under the impression that if it was the head gasket it would blow blue/white smoke, wet exhaust and milky oil, low coolant high oil level. None of that here, just sayin. Least that's what the symptoms were in past head gaskets I had to replace on other cars.

Black smoke billows anything higher than idle, no knocking. Leads me to blow by. Since its nothing is coming out the breathers I'm going to rule out valves (assuming the pressure would blow out the valve seals like a OHV engine) So, I'm thinking rings or hole in the piston. I could be wrong, never really dealt with anything but dohc 4 bangers built for endurance.

I've had the car for years. Bought it while overseas, drove it from Seattle to Texas.. Thanks 3-5.0. Before shipping it to Seattle from Alaska for my long road trip, I replaced a lot and got it road worthy.. I was impressed.

Made it all the way to Texas no hick-ups. "Spring Cleaning"w as applied to make it road worthy. Been a member since 07' on this page lurkin mostly. Please cut me some slack, I'm not a noob to cars just to Grand Nationals & turbos (as I don't prefer them on Hondas). I road race Hondas and think there is no better group of guys to ask about my Maggie than you guys who helped me get her to Texas.

 

[Blazer406]

You can still have a HG issue... it is possible it could pop witout going through a water jacket.... you would hear it if it blew to the outside.... but if it blew to the inside....it would be harder to detect.....

People on here are saying HG, because most of the time you loose compression on a cylinder in a Turbo Buick.... it is the HG.

The black smoke could be caused by a bunch of things.....I wouldn't spend too much time diagnosing it until you get the compression issue on #3 fixed.

I'll throw one more senario out there.... it could be a wiped cam lobe.... these cars with flat tappet cams are getting a reputation for wiping cam lobes..... some suggest it is due to the lack of certain additives that have in the past 10 years been slowly removed from our oils from the EPA (read tree-huggers)....... If the valve isn't opening or closing as far as it should, it won't be sucking in the air that it should, therefore it can't compress anything making that cylinder read low....

 

[KingLouis]

I'll throw one more senario out there.... it could be a wiped cam lobe.... these cars with flat tappet cams are getting a reputation for wiping cam lobes..... some suggest it is due to the lack of certain additives that have in the past 10 years been slowly removed from our oils from the EPA (read tree-huggers)....... If the valve isn't opening or closing as far as it should, it won't be sucking in the air that it should, therefore it can't compress anything making that cylinder read low....

Funny you should say this I was just reading About this lobe wipe. When I was suggested roller cams and researching those. Thanks for your feedback. When it blew I did hear it. Man I hope this is the issue. Will see when they pull the head. Thanks for this.

 

[Blazer406]

When it blew... I heard it..... this isn't a wiped cam lobe..... this happens gradually...... IMHO... it is probably the HG.

Also... IMHO, it is easier to recover from a HG failure than a wiped cam lobe.....

 

[KingLouis]

When it blew... I heard it..... this isn't a wiped cam lobe..... this happens gradually...... IMHO... it is probably the HG.

Also... IMHO, it is easier to recover from a HG failure than a wiped cam lobe.....

Come Monday or Tuesday I'll update what was found. I was refering to HG, hoping that was the issue. Thanks a lot. You guys have armed me with pretty good info once again.
Any recommendations for head gaskets if it does turn out to be this?

 

[HelloBozos]

Come Monday or Tuesday I'll update what was found. Thanks a lot. You guys have armed me with pretty good info once again.
Any recommendations for head gaskets if it does turn out to be this?

Then you get into head stud's (an can't takes heads off in-car),If you go steel shim gaskets they'll hold but you'll melt a piston instead,if you go best felpro or something they'll blow again but maybee save bottom end,It's rough choice, It's just the bolt pattern of stock block an heads,main reason people go to stage 2 block or a V-8

 

[KingLouis]

Mo

Then you get into head stud's (an can't takes heads off in-car),If you go steel shim gaskets they'll hold but you'll melt a piston instead,if you go best felpro or something they'll blow again but maybee save bottom end,It's rough choice, It's just the bolt pattern of stock block an heads,main reason people go to stage 2 block or a V-8

Motor is being pulled. Head studs no problem. Cometic? Any feedback on those?

 

[HelloBozos]

Mo

Motor is being pulled. Head studs no problem. Cometic? Any feedback on those?

Thats what you want,There the most duriable

 

[we4Mateo]

Mo

Motor is being pulled. Head studs no problem. Cometic? Any feedback on those?

Keep it stock. Another blown HG is better than a melted piston or bent rods. The stock HG's are like fusable links in these motors. And if you keep it in a good tune, then they last a VERY long time.

 

[Phoneguy]

Keep it stock. Another blown HG is better than a melted piston or bent rods. The stock HG's are like fusable links in these motors. And if you keep it in a good tune, then they last a VERY long time.

Stock style gaskets are probably best for you as stated.
Black smoke coming from your car is a very rich mixture not blow by.
If you have the extra money to burn have the engine rebuilt.

Want to see how well Cometics seal...

 

[KingLouis]

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Stock style gaskets are probably best for you as stated.
Black smoke coming from your car is a very rich mixture not blow by.
If you have the extra money to burn have the engine rebuilt.

Want to see how well Cometics seal...

F''ing ouch!! Thanks for the input, appreciate it.


Just ordered the following. After them being recommended and doing research.

2 Gauge Pod A pillar
206/206 Roller Cam Kit
42.5 Injectors
Scanmaster 2.1
Knock Gauge
High Output Coil Pack
TA49 TURBOCHARGER
waiting to hear back from "GNS" on a Torque Converter..

Again will post pictures of the findings once the head is removed.. Thanks everyone for your help here.

 

[charlief1]

I'm in Hillsboro just north of Waco Louis. I think Guess PM'd you my number if you feel like calling when you get the chance. I've been working in the shop and doing service calls lately so I haven't had a lot of free time to get on the board. If you send me a message I'll give you my email and address so when you get back I can help you out.

 

[KingLouis]

Wow... Just talked to CharlieF1 for about 30-40 minutes. Really cool guy. Gave me tons of info and a few connections for parts. This is turning out to be a great idea posting this thread.

 

[scot w.]

F''ing ouch!! Thanks for the input, appreciate it.


Just ordered the following. After them being recommended and doing research.

2 Gauge Pod A pillar
206/206 Roller Cam Kit
42.5 Injectors
Scanmaster 2.1
Knock Gauge
High Output Coil Pack
TA49 TURBOCHARGER
waiting to hear back from "GNS" on a Torque Converter..

Again will post pictures of the findings once the head is removed.. Thanks everyone for your help here.

Look forward to hearing from you on Monday and we will get you squared away on a converter..

SW.

 

[KingLouis]

Look forward to speaking with you. The car in your sig was featured on the CCW page, right? Your build is right in the direction I'm trying to go. Pro-touring is my flavor. Auto-X, road racing events and such. It's what I do with my Hondas. Get with you soon. Thanks.