Stock Appearing TR Class for Bowling Green 08

[need2bfaster]

Turbo Street Stock TSS

General

Qualifying ET is 12.20 or quicker.
Heads-up 4-tenths pro tree start and pro ladder. (1 vs 16, 2 vs 15, 3 vs 14, 4 vs 13, 5 vs 12, etc....)
All cars racing in the Turbo Heads-Up racing classes must be owned and driven by a current member of the GSCA.
No peer technical inspections relating to safety equipment rules by class participants or peers, Beech Bend Raceway track safety technician personnel will make all rulings on track safety related items.
Winner and runner-up are subject to re-weigh and re-tech immediately after final round or at any other time.
Any entrant caught trying to deliberately break the rules will be disqualified from the TSS class.
To compete in this class the car must be Factory Stock Appearing with the following exceptions and/or clarifications:
Definition of "Factory Stock Appearing"
A factory stock appearing part is a GM part originally delivered on a 1986 to 1987 Buick Regal, GNX, Grand National, T-Type or Turbo Regal from Buick Motor Division and is externally stock in appearance. No external welding, cold weld epoxy, puttying, etc. may be done on any factory stock appearing part unless specifically stated. See Engine section for cylinder block requirements. * Note: GM exhaust headers may be welded on externally to repair defects. This includes the driver's side header area that is prone to cracking and may include welding on both driver and passenger side header between the primary port and mounting flange. Welded in EGT gauge probe bungs are allowed. See Engine and Engine Management section for cylinder block and ignition requirements.

Chassis

Seat belts, lights, horn, and windshield wipers must be operational.
All factory headlights must be in place during competition.
Helmet required. Cars must pass track safety inspection.
Car should possess all applicable safety equipment for potential ET/speeds attained.
Minimum car weight w/driver must be at least 3,500 pounds.
Complete stock, painted TR/GN body required.
No fiberglass or carbon fiber body parts, bumpers or hood scoops.
Stock operating glass windows and windshield required, no lexan.
Engine/firewall must be in stock location.
Stock wheelbase required (108.0" measured).
Factory stock appearing inner front wheel wells required. Trimming allowed for downpipe clearance.
Factory stock appearing front suspension components and mounting locations required w/any type stock location shocks. Swaybars may be removed.
Factory stock rear suspension locations required with any type stock location shocks. Any suspension stabilizer/reinforcement bars or traction enhancing devices are allowed.

**All control arms must use the factory mounting location. No bolt-in or welded relocators allowed. (ie. Southside bars).**

No quarter panel modifications except rolled inner fender lip.
Minor modifications to stock rear wheel wells (no mini-tubs).
Outer frame rail notching is allowed. Inner frame rails remain stock. No inner frame rail reinforcement allowed.
No ladder bars or coil over equipped rear suspension.
No wheelie bars or parachutes.
Brake system must be either Power Master or vacuum boost operated, no manual brakes allowed.
Brake system line locks allowed.
Drive shaft safety loop required.
Driver's name and club decal on side/quarter windows allowed. Sponsor/vendor decal is acceptable on the rear window.
A maximum of 2 hood mounted gauges are allowed.

Engine

Buick V6 block < 240CID max.

**Block casting number 25526109 only. No Stage or A/M blocks!!**

Must use DIS type I or II ignition, NO distributor.
8-bolt Iron cylinder head castings required. No Stage 2 or aluminum heads.
Any valve covers and oil pan allowed.
No dry sump-oiling system.
Factory stock intake manifold required. No external welding allowed except for EGR block-off plate and/or repairs. * No modifications such as welding, cold weld epoxy, puttying, etc. may be done on any portion of the intake manifold runners to increase manifold air flow are allowed.
Factory stock appearing or aftermarket cast aluminum intake plenum allowed.
Factory stock appearing throttle body required.
Factory stock appearing driver's side exhaust header or current aftermarket replacement allowed. Right side exhaust header must be factory stock appearing, no ATR, Hooker, Terry Houston or Poston replacements allowed.
Any crossover pipe allowed. No delta gates allowed.
Any single or dual exhaust system allowed. Must muffle and exit in stock location(s) (3.0" max size). * Exhaust must run through mufflers in competition.
Any diameter downpipe size from the turbo is allowed. It must be routed down through the stock location. No flex pipe allowed.

Turbo

**One (1) factory stock appearing TA series or TE series, Garrett 3-bolt turbo required. Maximum 67mm compressor wheel, Inlet bore maximum 67.5mm measured. No ported shroud compressor housing. The TE series turbo compressor inlet housing must be a 3" inlet with a 2" outlet only. One of the following TE series compressor housings must be used: A Garrett p/n 443705-x, a PTE p/n CCE-x or a Turbonetics p/n 2057-x that were available November 1 of the previous year. The TE series turbo inlet housing may be externally sleeved to accept a 3.5" MAF inlet pipe/hose and the outlet may be externally sleeved to accept a 2.5" pipe/hose.**

Note: One of the following turbine exhaust housings must be used. A Garrett P/N's 430832-4 and 430832-5, PT&E P/N's THB376, THB380, THB576 and THB580 turbine housings that were available November 1 of the previous year. *** The factory stock appearing turbine exhaust to downpipe flange connection must be used.
No welding is allowed on any exterior surface of the turbo compressor housing to allow for a larger compressor wheel.
TA series turbo compressor inlet bell of any type required.
Factory stock appearing wastegate actuator w/adjustable rod and boost control solenoid(s) required. * No CO wastegate actuator controls allowed
Turbo heat shield/cover optional.

Intercooler

Factory stock location air to air intercooler required, modifications allowed. * No part of a stock location intercooler (not the shroud) may extend down no more than 12.00 below the centerline of the crankshaft.
No front mount intercoolers are allowed.
No liquid intercoolers, intercooler external spray cooling, or add-on cold boxes allowed.

Engine Management & Fuel System

Stock ECM or modified stock ECM only. NO aftermarket fuel system systems allowed, (DFI, FAST, Motec, etc). NO speed density sysytems.
Factory Stock Appearing (Type I) or (Type II) DIS cam position sensor required.
No individual coil per spark plug ignitions allowed.
No distributor ignitions allowed.
No delay boxes, throttle stops, or crossover boxes allowed.
Any intake air induction system allowed.
Any MAF sensor is acceptable. All intake air must pass through and be measured by the MAF sensor.
Any fuel pump(s) allowed. * Note: Fuel pump(s) must not be visible from outside of car.
Voltage increasing and fuel pump hot wiring devices are allowed.
All factory stock appearing fuel lines required. * A braided steel line from the frame cross member to the fuel rail is acceptable.
Factory stock appearing fuel rail required.
Any type fuel pressure regulator allowed.
Any fuel injectors allowed, 6 maximum.
Factory stock appearing fuel tank required with no additional cells or sumps.
Gasoline fuel only, no additives, alcohol, or nitrous oxide injection allowed.

Engine Compartment

Air conditioning operational w/belt in stock location.
Power steering operational w/belt in stock location.
Stock alternator operational w/belt in stock location.
Stock water pump operational w/belt in stock location.
Any engine compartment dress up allowed.
Battery, one (1) only and it may be in any location.
Stock type electric engine cooling fan required.
Any stock or replacement radiator in stock location allowed.
Transmission

GM 200-4R transmission required.
Any size torque converter acceptable, with or without lock-up.
Any transmission oil cooler and pan allowed.
No transmission brake allowed.
Differential

Factory stock appearing differential housing required.
No differential spools.
Any gear ratio w/factory stock or reinforced differential cover allowed.
Tires & Wheels

Any matched set of four (4), 15" diameter chrome steel or aluminum wheels allowed.
Rear drag slicks w/sidewall designation up to 28.0" x 10.5" x 15". No "W" tires allowed.
Tire footprint when installed on a rim and mounted on the car can not exceed 10.3" at 10 psig checking pressure.
Tires may not be shaved at the tread edge to meet the 10.3" maximum tread width rule.
Front tire footprint must be at least 3.5" wide.
Interior

Full stock interior required.
Stock transmission shifter required.
Any additional aftermarket gauges allowed.

 

[need2bfaster]

Intercooler

Factory stock location air to air intercooler required, modifications allowed. * No part of a stock location intercooler (not the shroud) may extend down no more than 12.00 below the centerline of the crankshaft.
No front mount intercoolers are allowed.
No liquid intercoolers, intercooler external spray cooling, or add-on cold boxes allowed.

to me it sounds as though it just has to be in stock location.....

Any diameter downpipe size from the turbo is allowed. It must be routed down through the stock location. No flex pipe allowed

again it sounds as though you can have any size.....


im not sure but would like to know if i am right on this
thanks
d'wayne

 

[GNocide]

guys

tss is not stock appearing
or Richards bone stock rules

cut and pasted from last years proposed class\/

“Bone stock” TR class qualifying ET 13.9

The bone stock tr class is intended to provide a race class for cars that are stock appearing. Unlike the TSS class where some visible mods are allowed for performance reasons virtually all of those will not be allowed in this class. This means if we can SEE it and its not how the car was delivered its not allowed. Or put another way if you have to ask if its ok------ its not!


Suspension :
NO frame mods or reinforcements, stock wheel base, stock unmodified control arms front and rear in original locations, since all the cars didn’t come with the same bushing compliment you can have them in all locations as long as they are GM bushings. No braces that didn’t come on the car. 8.5 inch 10 bolt GM rear with stock stamped cover. Stock size sway bars front and rear required with black bushings. Stock appearing brakes, drums back, disc front. Any type stock appearing shocks in stock location----any color ok. No air bags Car must sit at =/- one inch of stock ride height (this would be ________ from road surface to frame rail)

Engine compartment
109 block with no EXTERNAL mods, all original equipment intact and functioning—no deletions or additions that aren’t supported by build tag on inside trunk lid, Stock air box and snorkel any filter element, original size battery in stock location with original type side terminals, original waterpump manifold etc original appearing starter and 120A alternator, original GM headers with heat shields intact---may be welded for repair purposes, original downpipe with original type wastegate and solenoid----wastegate may be modified to make it adjustable, stock appearing turbo with stock inlet bell with vent intact---turbo must fit under unmodified shield mounted in stock location with stock bracket, stock appearing MAF (AC moulded with down turned plug) and OEM flex hose, stock intercooler with stock inlets/outlets, any size injectors in 6 stock locations, NO POWER ADDERS UNLESS THEY ARE TOTALLY INVISIBLE TO TEC JUDGES---IF WE SPOT IT---- ITS OUT!!! 8445 heads installed with GM TTY bolts with NO external mods (this includes logos), stock unmodified valve covers with oem filler cap, stock radiator and core, additional underhood wiring with no additions/deletions that aren’t supported by option tag-----only exceptions 1-alarm, 2- single relay and wiring for fuel pump upgrade, AC may be converted to R-134 and must be operational, powermaster with stock reservoir

Tranny
2004R with no external mods except for 2nd servo, stock pan and driveshaft---loop ok, any convertor or transbrake as long as it is not visible under or inside the car,

Tires/wheels
Any matched set of 15” or 16” steel or aluminum wheels allowed-------tires must be 275 or less DOT radials-----NO SLICKS

Interior
Full stock interior matching build sheet, stock shifter, only addition to gauges is boost and it must be pillar or console mounted, radio may be upgraded but must fit in stock location with no visible parts elsewhere

Exterior
No fiberglass body parts except for bumper fillers, stock operating glass windows and windshield, full size OEM aluminum or steel bumper supports, use of aluminum supports do not have to match build sheet _______in trunk, bumper shocks must be original/unmodified, no mods to sheet metal, fenders etc

Fuel system
Factory stock appearing tank, no visible additions to tank or pumps except for relay and wire upgrade, stock rail and lines

Exhaust
Downpipe must attach to stock elbow in stock fashion, downpipe must route in stock location, no flexpipe, stock appearing cat must be in stock location—may be allowed but must be able to pass a 50 state VISUAL inspection, any single or dual exhaust allowed but must function (muffle) and exit in stock location, must be 2.5 inch or less pipes past “Y” connection at cat

 

[need2bfaster]

im sorry i thought they were one in the same, could some one delete that post to avoid confusion

 

[getchasum]

The rules above are no where close to what I read when I was at his shop. Stock appearing means stock appearing....even black clamps on hoses. I love the ideal of the class I just do not like some of the things I was hearing while I was there, like the fact that you could run NOS if it can't be seen or you can run a f.a.s.t system as long as it can be seen. Granted Richard did not make these comments but that was the talk. Create a stock class with clear rules and I would love to play but no way if the rules are not clear.

 

[GNocide]

if your talking about my cut and paste post
you better go back to the shop then-


those are his last years proposed rules


and they are clear-
-things aren't always what they appear- they just have to look like stock
cant get much easier then that

 

[boostjunkie]

if your talking about my cut and paste post
you better go back to the shop then-


those are his last years proposed rules


and they are clear-
-things aren't always what they appear- they just have to look like stock
cant get much easier then that

This is a JOKE [/QUOTE]

( additions that aren’t supported by build tag on inside trunk lid) mine fell off 20 years ago !

(Car must sit at =/- one inch of stock ride height ) park 4 Turbo cars side by side and they will no way have the same ride height ! so who is to say what the stock height is?

(Outer frame rail notching is allowed.) i ordered my car from GM like this its what came on the car stock


(This means if we can SEE it and not how the car was delivered its not allowed. Or put another way if you have to ask if its ok------ its not!)

Get the point the rules are not clear cut ! how do you let a notched rear frame rail in this class and turn around and say if its how the car was dllivered its allowed

should i go on ?

 

[GNocide]

ILL TRY TO ANSWER-for what its worth

This is a JOKE

( additions that aren’t supported by build tag on inside trunk lid) mine fell off 20 years ago !--NOT MY PROBLEM - MINES FINE STILL THERE TOO

(Car must sit at =/- one inch of stock ride height ) park 4 Turbo cars side by side and they will no way have the same ride height ! so who is to say what the stock height is? - RICHARD AND FACTORY SPECS WHICH STILL EXIST

(Outer frame rail notching is allowed.) i ordered my car from GM like this its what came on the car stock HUH?NO FRAME MODS AT ALL- PERIOD- NOT ALLOWED


(This means if we can SEE it and not how the car was delivered its not allowed. Or put another way if you have to ask if its ok------ its not!)

Get the point the rules are not clear cut ! how do you let a notched rear frame rail in this class and turn around and say if its how the car was dllivered its allowed - AGAIN NO MODS THAT WERE NOT THERE AND CAN BE SEEN

should i go on ?[/QUOTE]dont really care if you go on or not- someones always gonna bitch


heres an idea though that ive posted before

put up your own $1000 + dollars
make up some rules
see if any one cares

 

[boostjunkie]

put up your own $1000 + dollars
make up some rules
see if any one cares[/QUOTE]


PLEASE HAVE THE GUY THAT IS PUTTING UP $1000 + DOLLARS TO POST THE RULES .

 

[getchasum]

if your talking about my cut and paste post
you better go back to the shop then-


those are his last years proposed rules


and they are clear-
-things aren't always what they appear- they just have to look like stock
cant get much easier then that

If this was directed towards me NO I wasn't talking about your cut and paste from above. There was an earlier post of the old TFS rules above that now appeared to be deleted, I guess I should have quoted them when I posted. I do have a copy of the new 2008 proposed rules but I would not feel right posting them or picking them apart, as that is not my intent.

 

[Dusty Bradford]

What kind of rule is this??

NO POWER ADDERS UNLESS THEY ARE TOTALLY INVISIBLE TO TEC JUDGES---IF WE SPOT IT---- ITS OUT!!!

One of the craziest rules I have ever seen. This class should not be allowed any power adders at all.

 

[GNocide]

What kind of rule is this??

NO POWER ADDERS UNLESS THEY ARE TOTALLY INVISIBLE TO TEC JUDGES---IF WE SPOT IT---- ITS OUT!!!

One of the craziest rules I have ever seen. This class should not be allowed any power adders at all.

why not?-puts the fun back in racing

you can only go so fast on a stock turbo

 

[boostjunkie]

why not?-puts the fun back in racing

you can only go so fast on a stock turbo

the rules state [/QUOTE] a stock appearing turbo with stock inlet bell


So you can go very fast with a stock appearing turbo then add a power add to the mix this class will be out of controll

guess the next one is PRO TREE

 

[boostjunkie]

I think this would be a very fun class to run , it should have some very simple clear cut rules that would allow a guy to drive 7 + hours to get to the Nats and race his car for very little cash . should have some cool rules like . all cars in this class must run driver and one occupant . that way your old lady can screem the whole way down the track all day . it would be a blast

 

[Dusty Bradford]

why not?-puts the fun back in racing

you can only go so fast on a stock turbo

So hiding a n2o system is encouraged?? Some people probably would like to see a heads up class that's 100% stock appearing but c'mon. Depending on the tech to find a hidden power adder...please

 

[GNocide]

So you can go very fast with a stock appearing turbo then add a power add to the mix this class will be out of controll

i like the way you think- shawn

So hiding a n2o system is encouraged??

wrong- appearing is encouraged

not cutting up the car is encourage

stock looking parts are encouraged


anything outside of that is your craftsmanship/ building skill and tunning

if your good enough -can install stealthy- and drive decent is all it takes

Some people probably would like to see a heads up class that's 100% stock appearing but c'mon. Depending on the tech to find a hidden power adder...please

this is not a democracy- if it ever comes to pass there may be more subtle changes to the class until then

some people would like to see allot of changes to alot of race classes besides this proposed one-i see they are not happening either


reality is most people dont put up money or organize anything for anybodys benefit on here

most just complain about how they would have done it on the internet

it is what it is
the rule makers will make the rules and do the tech- visual inspection(again)
cant emphasis this enough- cause nobody understands it

if you worth your salt on a clean unseen install of dfi-nos whatever
you could be be the highest paid winner of all the classes

 

[Dusty Bradford]

I like the idea but I've raced with this club for almost 10 years so I understand the politics involved in these classes. Those that have raced in BG know exactly what happens in any class other than TSM and TSO when it comes to tech decisions. I'll keep quiet and just see how this one turns out.

 

[HyperV6]

Where are the rules??? Can someone post the official 2008 rules? How can this class even happen if no one has time to get a car ready? The Nationals are only 3 months away. Any real class info would be appeciated.

Thanks, Craig

 

[GNocide]

id call kirbans if anyones interested-
he states they are on the gsca website but haven't seen them

 

[A2000RICH]

Where are the rules??? Can someone post the official 2008 rules? How can this class even happen if no one has time to get a car ready? The Nationals are only 3 months away. Any real class info would be appeciated.

Thanks, Craig

its gonna happen-------its officially TSA------- turbo stock appearing-----------it has taken me weeks to get the rules approved since there are so many folks to satisfy-------its not exactly what i originally envisioned but i'm satisfied overall------lots of politics and protocol in Bowling Green-------prize money has been forwarded to person responsible for sponsors----------1600 for first, 800 for second and 500 for third------- purse is doubled if car also scores above a certain score in the concours class----------i realize that time is short but how long should it take to get a "stock" car ready---------i have been waiting for several days to see the rules get posted on the GSCA website but they don't seem to get posted-------tomorrow i am gonna call and see whats holding it up---------if they dont show up by the end of the week i will put them up here............RC