stolen car parts

[kh440]

Better to be senile than a weasel Drew. Being a weasel is a decision and it can be overcome with integrity. Being senile could affect anyone. You know you made false accusations against me and now you cut & run. Immaturity at it's utmost.
I would just advise you to stay out of my business from now on. :frown:

Steve: if I'm reading this correctly, brokeback doesn't even have a stake in any of this and yet he's pissing the loudest???

 

[stevemon]

Yes but as off-the-fricking-wall crazy as Drews assumptions and claims were, I think it would be impossible to determine his motives for what he wrote in the two threads. Anyone paying attention to him needs to get a life.

 

[Gary Wells]

Fwiw, I have talked to and corresponded with Stevemon, alias Steve monroe, many times on several boards and I have always found him to be very professional, courteous, and above reproach in integrity. I can't believe that anybody would question Steve Monroe's professional and personal ethnic attitude because somebody did not request insurance, and their parts were stolen.

 

[notacarlo]

There's a 70mm for sale on GNTTYPE.

 

[GNVYUS 1]

Wow, Jitsu I know your upset but you are going about this all wrong. As many have said it is not up to the shipper to automatically insure a shipping item, that is for you decide to do and pay extra for. Some shops insure everything, some only higher $$ items, but most don't insure lesser value items unless asked too.

Filing a claim with Paypal saying that it WAS SHIPPED but someone stole it and now I want to go after the shipper for insurance negligence, is a misguided and misinformed reaction brought on by your frustration with this situation.

You have a loop hole with USPS in that the item should not have been left at your door, this is a more appropriate route for you to take. The guy that stole the box has no idea what's in it so it was probably some dumb ass in your local area, no doubt.

If it makes you feel better, guess what happened when UPS lost my $500 torque converter that I did not insure, that's right, NOT GIVE ME MY $500 BACK. Mankind is not perfect and $hit happens, especially concerning cars.

 

[Quiky One]

See above for comments.Im done,have all the sttitude you want you senile old bastard.

I do not know you or at this moment even care to know you. I am younger than most people on this board and yet even I realize that is about the most immature idiotic thing you could say.

How old are you? For god sakes name calling to that degree is for recess play during elementary school. I can't even believe you would publicly post something so childish.

Jason

 

[stevemon]

brought on by your frustration with this situation.

Exactly what I think happened here too. Maybe Jeremy & I could have reached an agreement if not for Tom H and Broke1 meddling to the point that they Fubar'd any chance of an agreeable settlement.

 

[The Radius Kid]

Exactly what I think happened here too. Maybe Jeremy & I could have reached an agreement if not for Tom H and Broke1 meddling to the point that they Fubar'd any chance of an agreeable settlement.

Forget all the rest of the crap input.
You're bigger than that Steve.
The problem lies with USPS and either a spiteful neighbor or some thieving kid on lunch hour.
The delivery guy probably thought he was doing him a favor.
Apparently it didn't work out that way.
If he can get a new dog house and T-body,do him a favor and ship it back "signed for" next time.
If he does retrieve his original combo,I hope he does the right thing.

 

[Project TNX]

I usually don't like getting involved is a drama fest, but filing a PayPal claim was low class as hell, totally ridiculious. Whatever happened to individual accountability? You were the victim, and not by Steve's doing, now you are the aggressor and Steve is the victim, by your doing.

I swear, something as small as this is just a really good illustration of how crappy our country is becoming on a large level. I mean, you have people defending you and your actions while villifying Steve, WTF???

The root problem isn't Steve doesn't ship things out insured, the root problem is you appear to live in an crime ridden area and failed to take the appropiate actions beforehand. But in typical fashion you pass the buck. I hate having to physically sign for stuff, makes it a PIA, but then again, I live in a neighborhood where I don't have to worry abotu such things, but if I did, I would certainly make shippers aware I need to sign for it.

I felt bad for you at first, then I saw that PayPal claim and instantly thought you need some more bad karma sent your way.

 

[stevemon]

Forget all the rest of the crap input.
You're bigger than that Steve.
The problem lies with USPS and either a spiteful neighbor or some thieving kid on lunch hour.
The delivery guy probably thought he was doing him a favor.
Apparently it didn't work out that way.
If he can get a new dog house and T-body,do him a favor and ship it back "signed for" next time.
If he does retrieve his original combo,I hope he does the right thing.

Radius,
I'm not offended by personal attacks but inappropriate behavior and interference that escalates the situation should be held accountable.

Tom H who suggested Jeremy lie about the parts not being delivered has cut and run. Broke1 who threw gasoline on the fire has cut and run. I don't think their kind of behavior belongs in a Turbo Buick community.

What rankles me most is that Jeremy might have taken my offer of a TB at cost. He & I exchanged around 8-9 emails on this and his feelings were under control until he came on here.

Any progress I'd made with him earlier went into the dumper because a couple of immature kids interfered in an adult situation.

 

[Grumpy]

I usually don't like getting involved is a drama fest, but filing a PayPal claim was low class as hell, totally ridiculious. Whatever happened to individual accountability? You were the victim, and not by Steve's doing, now you are the aggressor and Steve is the victim, by your doing.

I swear, something as small as this is just a really good illustration of how crappy our country is becoming on a large level. I mean, you have people defending you and your actions while villifying Steve, WTF???

The root problem isn't Steve doesn't ship things out insured, the root problem is you appear to live in an crime ridden area and failed to take the appropiate actions beforehand. But in typical fashion you pass the buck. I hate having to physically sign for stuff, makes it a PIA, but then again, I live in a neighborhood where I don't have to worry abotu such things, but if I did, I would certainly make shippers aware I need to sign for it.

I felt bad for you at first, then I saw that PayPal claim and instantly thought you need some more bad karma sent your way.

X's 2

 

[tom h]

...Tom H who suggested Jeremy lie about the parts not being delivered has cut and run.

No, I'm still here and have gotten exceedingly annoyed listening to all you guys.

Steve,
you didn't post until after I commented "make the vendor responsible for delivering parts" -- until then you were some anonymous "machinist-vendor" as far as I was concerned.

But now that there's a name associated with "machinist-vendor" , my underlying opinion still hasn't changed ... a supplier who provides goods and/or services, has to include in the "service" taking common-sense precautions when shipping goods ... whether that be using the right kind of box, packing material , insurance , or whatever.

What if the box had truly gotten "lost" in shipment, ie package didn't show up ... would it still be your position "too bad for the customer"?

Over the years, I've had some packages go astray ... the supplier made good ... whether it was insured or out of suppliers own pocket, I don't know.

 

[Project TNX]

No, I'm still here and have gotten exceedingly annoyed listening to all you guys.

Steve,
you didn't post until after I commented "make the vendor responsible for delivering parts" -- until then you were some anonymous "machinist-vendor" as far as I was concerned.

But now that there's a name associated with "machinist-vendor" , my underlying opinion still hasn't changed ... a supplier who provides goods and/or services, has to include in the "service" taking common-sense precautions when shipping goods ... whether that be using the right kind of box, packing material , insurance , or whatever.

What if the box had truly gotten "lost" in shipment, ie package didn't show up ... would it still be your position "too bad for the customer"?

Over the years, I've had some packages go astray ... the supplier made good ... whether it was insured or out of suppliers own pocket, I don't know.

I see your point.........BUT

Guy 1 ordered a part

Guy 2 made and sent said part

Guy 3 stole said DELIVERED part

Guy 1 contacts paypal about Guy2, WTF?

 

[stevemon]

No, I'm still here and have gotten exceedingly annoyed listening to all you guys.

Steve,
you didn't post until after I commented "make the vendor responsible for delivering parts" -- until then you were some anonymous "machinist-vendor" as far as I was concerned.

But now that there's a name associated with "machinist-vendor" , my underlying opinion still hasn't changed ... a supplier who provides goods and/or services, has to include in the "service" taking common-sense precautions when shipping goods ... whether that be using the right kind of box, packing material , insurance , or whatever.

What if the box had truly gotten "lost" in shipment, ie package didn't show up ... would it still be your position "too bad for the customer"?

Over the years, I've had some packages go astray ... the supplier made good ... whether it was insured or out of suppliers own pocket, I don't know.

Tom you've already demonstrated for the world to see that your sense of ethics is no better than the thief that stole Jeremeys parts. I don't think anyone here needs any more of your advice nor do we care if you get annoyed. Did it occur to you that what you suggested is annoying on a whole other level and negatively reflects on this community in ways you obviously don't understand?

Here's what Jeremy wrote:
"The machinist sent it back to me and it arrived Saturday."

And your reply:
"Tell the vendor/machinist you never received the parts, and that he has to make good on it. What proof does machinist have the parts were even delivered?"

Now about your last Question:
"What if the box had truly gotten "lost" in shipment, ie package didn't show up ... would it still be your position "too bad for the customer"?"

All the pkgs I ship have USPS Delivery Confirmation numbers to indicate when it arrived. If there was no delivery scan on the pkg, the post office would be liable.

 

[gbsean]

Tell the vendor/machinist you never received the parts, and that he has to make good on it.

What proof does machinist have the parts were even delivered? If the machinst accepted the parts from you, it's his responsibility to guarantee safe return to you.

Seems retarded to ship parts of value without any tracking ...

I was not going to say anything about this post either...but it seems to be a pretty low statement when it was posted the first time....:frown:

 

[Gary Wells]

Fwiw, Tom H is out of the Southwestern Section and I have read many of his posts before and I have never seen Tom H take a stand in something of this nature before this posting. I am sure that he posted in haste without considering all of the facts at hand. I am also sorry that Steve Monroe has suffered repercussions form this post.

 

[SVORay]

Talking about a drak cloud over the Buick Community :frown:


This should have never ended up here in the threads...atleast not in the form of vender bashing. I don't know Steve or anyone else but the facts are facts. The shipping company dropped the ball end of story. Filing a complaint with Paypal seems more like fraud in my opinion. Steve has a DC number showing it was deleivered. I would drop that paypal complaint in a heart beat and contact UPS. Then man up to the fact that this was a huge mistake and post an apology.

Best of luck

 

[The Radius Kid]

Radius,
I'm not offended by personal attacks but inappropriate behavior and interference that escalates the situation should be held accountable.

Tom H who suggested Jeremy lie about the parts not being delivered has cut and run. Broke1 who threw gasoline on the fire has cut and run. I don't think their kind of behavior belongs in a Turbo Buick community.

What rankles me most is that Jeremy might have taken my offer of a TB at cost. He & I exchanged around 8-9 emails on this and his feelings were under control until he came on here.

Any progress I'd made with him earlier went into the dumper because a couple of immature kids interfered in an adult situation.

I don't let the rantings of scheming children and mindless morons affect my better judgement.
The suggestion of fraud is a bad one and should be noted and attributed to the party who suggested it.
People don't forget statements like that - especially in future dealings.
I think they just hung themselves.
IIRC,USPS recorded the parcel as delivered to the address.
The original poster doesn't have a leg to stand on with a claim against you.
A misguided USPS delivery person and a thief caused this problem,period.
If another unit can be secured,USPS insures up to $100,no extra charge,correct?
Is that acceptable to you Steve for a "follow up"[machining another replacement unit as *supplied by the customer*]?
I can understand the original poster's sentiment,but as proven in this thread,the parcel WAS delivered by USPS[inappropriately] and stolen[apparently] before it's intended recipient could get it.
That's not your fault,that's the postie's fault[as well intentioned as they might have been].
I would still suggest you *work* with the original poster and ignore the schemings and rantings of those who say you should foot the entire bill.
I'm a machinist with almost 30 years experience now and I understand service.
That's how I would handle it.
Ignore the BS and show them what your REAL character is.
You offer a heck of a deal for what you give them.
I offer this opinion based on the view that the original poster isn't pulling a "fast one".
If he's smart,he'll use his head on his shoulders [not the one in his pants] and work with you too.

 

[The Radius Kid]

No, I'm still here and have gotten exceedingly annoyed listening to all you guys.

Steve,
you didn't post until after I commented "make the vendor responsible for delivering parts" -- until then you were some anonymous "machinist-vendor" as far as I was concerned.

But now that there's a name associated with "machinist-vendor" , my underlying opinion still hasn't changed ... a supplier who provides goods and/or services, has to include in the "service" taking common-sense precautions when shipping goods ... whether that be using the right kind of box, packing material , insurance , or whatever.

What if the box had truly gotten "lost" in shipment, ie package didn't show up ... would it still be your position "too bad for the customer"?

Over the years, I've had some packages go astray ... the supplier made good ... whether it was insured or out of suppliers own pocket, I don't know.

Steve is well known for his good work in the Buick community as evidenced by the large number of people who use his service.

The US mail service is legally obliged to deliver mail and parcels in an appropriate manner to an address or residence.
If a mail slot is available,then the letter is deposited in said slot or mailbox and the postie is done.
If a parcel is too big,then the delivery conditions change[the conditions were outlined in the thread earlier by Sean-USPS regs,not ours].
This wasn't done.
The parcel WAS apparently delivered to the address,but NOT properly received.
That's not Steve's problem.
Would you have him personally hand delivery each unit to the customer as well?
He had the parcel tracked.
Tracking says it WAS delivered.
The customer didn't ask for any extra insurance on the parcel.
Apprently at the time of the arrangements,they both felt it wasn't necessary.
Now a problem arises after the fact and it's all Steve's fault?
What ifs and coulda' beens don't count.

 

[stevemon]

I don't let the rantings of scheming children and mindless morons affect my better judgement.

Never did affect mine eiter but one of my customers appeared to have been swayed by some misguided advice here so it matters to me that I was not able to work out something with him.

The suggestion of fraud is a bad one and should be noted and attributed to the party who suggested it.
People don't forget statements like that - especially in future dealings.
I think they just hung themselves.
IIRC,USPS recorded the parcel as delivered to the address.
The original poster doesn't have a leg to stand on with a claim against you.
A misguided USPS delivery person and a thief caused this problem,period.
If another unit can be secured,USPS insures up to $100,no extra charge,correct?
Is that acceptable to you Steve for a "follow up"[machining another replacement unit as *supplied by the customer*]?

He already received an offer of a free ported plenum Radius. I offered a 62mm TB with all the trimmings at my cost. I could sell it for $90 profit after my work on it but wanted to let him have it if he wanted it.

I can understand the original poster's sentiment,but as proven in this thread,the parcel WAS delivered by USPS[inappropriately] and stolen[apparently] before it's intended recipient could get it.
That's not your fault,that's the postie's fault[as well intentioned as they might have been].
I would still suggest you *work* with the original poster and ignore the schemings and rantings of those who say you should foot the entire bill.
I'm a machinist with almost 30 years experience now and I understand service.
That's how I would handle it.
Ignore the BS and show them what your REAL character is.
You offer a heck of a deal for what you give them.
I offer this opinion based on the view that the original poster isn't pulling a "fast one".
If he's smart,he'll use his head on his shoulders [not the one in his pants] and work with you too.

See inside your quote in bold type.