Time to go Stage II!

[geno]

Well. It looks like you're going to want to kick my ass again for being a smart guy.
That post that you are referring to, where I told Cal what the cubes is going to be, go back and quote it for us.

The new cid will be 228.07. Just a slight bore and hone for the new pistons. Same short stroke.

3.06 stroke and 3.940 bore makes the 220 cubes you have always said you have. Now you say 228 witch means your bore must be 3.980? That means your slight bore(Quote) is .040 I think you torched it and your busted and that's alright but dont go telling me how much smarter you are than me.Here is your pictures showing damage to the deck that was repaired with JB weld on picture 8 and 9 from another time you hurt it.
v.3.2 after the correction of blown head gaskets and a general reconditioning.
http://www.drwtransmission.com/images/Adobe Slide Shows/Shop projects/DRW GN/Engine/v3.2/PMing of Alky v.3.2/index.html
Does revision v3.2 mean your 3rd block ?

We have all had problems at one time or another but get off your dam throne before i get kicked out of here or they lock this thread..

 

[Alky V6]

3.06 stroke and 3.010 bore makes the 220 cubes you have always said you have. Now you say 228 witch means your bore must be 3.90? That means your slight bore(Quote) is .080 I think you torched it and your busted and that alright but dont go telling me how much smarter you are than me.We have all had problems at one time or another but get off your dam throne..

Holy cow, Gene. If you really want to know what bore I'm planning to use that badly, why don't you simply ask me. Why do you feel you have to make up these bore sizes. I'll give you the bore size. All you have to do is try to ask nicely. And don't make me feel that if I do answer your question, you're going to want to "KICK MY ASS"! LOL

 

[Alky V6]

Bottom line you ran 8.7 with a 91 MM turbo and 400 HP of Nitrous with a Aluminum TA performance block shows how smart you are already..

Mmm. Is this supposed to upset me? Back to the condescending remarks, I see.

 

[Alky V6]

3.06 stroke and 3.010 bore makes the 220 cubes you have always said you have. Now you say 228 witch means your bore must be 3.90? That means your slight bore(Quote) is .080 I think you torched it and your busted and that's alright but dont go telling me how much smarter you are than me.Here is your pictures showing damage to the deck that was repaired with JB weld on picture 8 and 9 from another time you hurt it.
v.3.2 after the correction of blown head gaskets and a general reconditioning.
http://www.drwtransmission.com/images/Adobe Slide Shows/Shop projects/DRW GN/Engine/v3.2/PMing of Alky v.3.2/index.html
Does revision v3.2 mean your 3rd block ?

We have all had problems at one time or another but get off your dam throne before i get kicked out of here or they lock this thread..

Oh my word, Gene. Where the heck did you come up with 220 cubes? CHECK MY SIG!!!

YOU'RE KILLIN' ME!

Guess what? That epoxy is still holding up great!
What epoxy was it that I used? You'll have to keep reading my old threads to find out. Teehee. I know. You want to kick my ass, right?

 

[Alky V6]

Gene. Just please stop asking me questions. I'm getting tired of answering them and getting my ass kicked. LOL

 

[geno]

Oh my word, Gene. Where the heck did you come up with 220 cubes? CHECK MY SIG!!!

YOU'RE KILLIN' ME!

Guess what? That epoxy is still holding up great!

I mean a 3.940 to a 3.980 bore to make 228 cubes with your crank.
After you torched the deck from a blown head gasket thats got receiver groves on both head and deck with 14 bolt heads.. Thats a bad tune if ive ever seen one..
Ok 224 cubes and slight clean up of .040 A slight clean to most would be .005
You know ive worked with people at Boeing in the past 30 years that were brilliant but walk into work with there shoes untied because they cant lace them.I swear i wont let you provoke me with your sharp tongue anymore because if there is something your good at thats it.

 

[Alky V6]

I mean a 9.040 to a 9.080 bore to make 228 cubes with your crank.
After you torched the deck from a blown head gasket thats got receiver groves on both head and deck with 14 bolt heads.. Thats a bad tune if ive ever seen one..
Ok 224 cubes and slight clean up of .040 A slight clean to most would be .005
You know ive worked with people at Boeing in the past 30 years that were brilliant but walk into work with there shoes untied because they cant lace them.I swear i wont let you provoke me with your sharp tongue anymore because if there is something your good at thats it.

If you want to call correcting you and answering your questions using my sharp tongue, then I'm guilty as charged. The solution is, stop asking me questions and coming up with this fantasy stuff that I have to keep correcting. Your reading comprehension skills are horrible.
9.040 to a 9.080 bore. What the **** is that!!!
Clean up of .080"?! You're high!
When the deck got torched from a failing gasket, what gasket was I using? You obviously just read it, so what were they? It wasn't a tune issue. It was a gasket issue. What were the gaskets? Do you even know?

 

[geno]

If you want to call correcting you and answering your questions using my sharp tongue, then I'm guilty as charged. The solution is, stop asking me questions and coming up with this fantasy stuff that I have to keep correcting. Your reading comprehension skills are horrible.
9.040 to a 9.080 bore. What the **** is that!!!
Clean up of .040"?! You're high!
When the deck got torched from a failing gasket, what gasket was I using? You obviously just read it, so what were they? It wasn't a tune issue. It was a gasket issue. What were the gaskets? Do you even know?

Im so mad right now i cant think straight and fixed the 9 inch bore in my post 3.940 to a 3.980 You knew what i was saying anyways because your so smart and all
If im high on your min cleanup explain the 4 more cubes? My reading comprehension skills might be horrible but your people skills are worse..

 

[jimmymorrisonjr]

Gene seems surprised by how much bhp can be lost through the TC.
Here's a quick quiz;

Approximately what percentage of hp that is generated in the cylinders by the burning of the air/fuel charge is lost to the cooling system in the form of heat?

Approximately what percentage of hp that is generated in the cylinders by the burning of the air/fuel charge is lost through the exhaust system in the form of heat? Not counting the hp that is recovered by the turbo.

First person to answer the above questions correctly gets a lollipop.

Generally accepted is:

30% to the cooling system
30% out the exhaust

I have seen those numbers for locomotive engines to race engines. I don't understand why this question was asked at all. Are you planning on calculating horsepower before those losses? We all have the same liabilities (thermodynamics, heat transfer, etc.) at the outset. Everyone handles them a little different. Any good engine builder is concerned with BSFC simply as a indication of how efficient their engine is. There are obviously items they can control and items they can not. A good engine builder eats, sleeps, and breaths thinking about and innovating ways of making their engine more efficient. A good engine builder splits hairs and works toward the smallest increases in efficiency. With that being said, you aren't concerned that your drivtrain is eight percent less efficient than Geno's? We all know about the compromises faced when putting a combination together. That is the crux of the whole deal.

 

[geno]

It was a gasket issue.

Oh it was the gasket ,that makes sense now Dam i hate it when i get a bad head gasket and it pops because its never the tune..

 

[Alky V6]

Im so mad right now i cant think straight and fixed the 9 inch bore in my post 3.940 to a 3.980 You knew what i was saying anyways because your so smart and all
If im high on your min cleanup explain the 4 more cubes? My reading comprehension skills might be horrible but your people skills are worse..

My people skills are proper when people converse with me properly. Converse with me with a condescending attitude and you get what you get from me. No roses included.

 

[Alky V6]

Oh it was the gasket ,that makes sense now Dam i hate it when i get a bad head gasket and it pops because its never the tune..

Oh, dang. I guess you need some teaching on head gaskets too.

 

[Alky V6]

Generally accepted is:

30% to the cooling system
30% out the exhaust

I have seen those numbers for locomotive engines to race engines. I don't understand why this question was asked at all. Are you planning on calculating horsepower before those losses? We all have the same liabilities (thermodynamics, heat transfer, etc.) at the outset. Everyone handles them a little different. Any good engine builder is concerned with BSFC simply as a indication of how efficient their engine is. There are obviously items they can control and items they can not. A good engine builder eats, sleeps, and breaths thinking about and innovating ways of making their engine more efficient. A good engine builder splits hairs and works toward the smallest increases in efficiency. With that being said, you aren't concerned that your drivtrain is eight percent less efficient than Geno's? We all know about the compromises faced when putting a combination together. That is the crux of the whole deal.

Very good stuff. Thanks, Jimmy.
You would have to read back a few pages to understand why the question was asked.

 

[baadgn]

Gene. Don't bother asking Tony about the subject of hp lost in the TC. He doesn't have a clue.

LOL !! Im betting more people would ask my advice on a TC than be asking you......... MR 23% or is it 30% today

 

[geno]

Oh, dang. I guess you need some teaching on head gaskets too.

Ya so you can teach all of us the right way to use JB Weld on a deck Then you can teach me the trick of adding 4 more cubes with a slight bore Now i see now why nobody in California with a fast Buick has you do the transmission and they send it out of state.

 

[750H.P.V6]

Gene,

I heard you un-friended Don on Facebook. Is this true? This shit is getting serious!!

Neal

 

[geno]

Gene,

I heard you un-friended Don on Facebook. Is this true? This shit is getting serious!!

Neal

Ya i dont need to see anymore of his political views and technobabble Besides he is your buddy

 

[Alky V6]

Gene,

I heard you un-friended Don on Facebook. Is this true? This shit is getting serious!!

Neal

LOL

 

[Alky V6]

Generally accepted is:

30% to the cooling system
30% out the exhaust

I have seen those numbers for locomotive engines to race engines. I don't understand why this question was asked at all. Are you planning on calculating horsepower before those losses? We all have the same liabilities (thermodynamics, heat transfer, etc.) at the outset. Everyone handles them a little different. Any good engine builder is concerned with BSFC simply as a indication of how efficient their engine is. There are obviously items they can control and items they can not. A good engine builder eats, sleeps, and breaths thinking about and innovating ways of making their engine more efficient. A good engine builder splits hairs and works toward the smallest increases in efficiency. With that being said, you aren't concerned that your drivtrain is eight percent less efficient than Geno's? We all know about the compromises faced when putting a combination together. That is the crux of the whole deal.

There was a question in your responce. Sorry for missing that the first time around.
I'm not sure if you've been following the thread or not, but the efficiency difference between Gene's and my torque converter may be necessary with the engine configuration I chose to use. We won't know for sure until we can do some real world testing. There may have been other short stroke setups throughout the years, but I haven't heard of any detailed information about any of those types of setups. Certainly not the sort of detail that I'm presenting here.
The compromise involves my choosing to use a short stroke crank to get me the best split journal strength and durability and having to use a TC that won't allow too much of an rpm drop between shifts, if the powercurve of this engine configuration turns out to be sensitive in that way. Whether or not I can get away with a tighter TC, we'll have to wait until I can do some testing with the car. If it turns out that I might be able to get away with a tighter TC, I will certainly give it a try.
Detailed discussions on the choice to use a short stroke crank, and the reason why the looser TC may be required with this engine configuration can both be found in this thread.

 

[STP]

All I wanna know is where in the hell are you guys finding the time to post all this??? Especially you Cal...I know how busy you are.

Geno, give it up man...Some people you just can't help. It's his car, let him do what he wants with it...I hope he makes 1500hp with it, God knows he did it the hard way, ALONE!!