TSO Player

[odell4o8]

TSO PLAYER?

With all you fast 8 sec. cars, I feel running my old car with youall is like taking a knife to a gun fight, gentlemen i really dont care who is the quickest or fastest as long as i am one of the last two cars left after the smoke clears. lol,,,, regarless who wins dont forget to thank the sponsors,

 

[Lee Thompson]

OC

Well put OC.
I started this thread to let people know you will be strong this year. Plus a little humor thrown in at the bottom.
So suck it up boys and keep it civil.

 

[JCotton]

So suck it up boys and keep it civil.

I'm with ya there Lee

"poor" Ole OC with his "old St2 headed motor, with a PTE88............. It's good to see him gettting some good times, keep up the good work Lee.

 

[Joe Lubrant]

Re: TSO PLAYER?

Originally posted by odell4o8
, ........................ gentlemen i really dont care who is the quickest or fastest as long as i am one of the last two cars left after the smoke clears. lol,,,, regarless who wins dont forget to thank the sponsors,

OC,

I agree with you there.....Lots of "ONE PASS WONDERS"

Let the Carnage Begin

 

[James West]

Re: Re: TSO PLAYER?

Originally posted by Joe Lubrant
OC,

I agree with you there.....Lots of "ONE PASS WONDERS"

Let the Carnage Begin

Gentlemen,

I've been monitoring this thread for the past few weeks now. It appears that from some of the comments I've read we still don't have a set of TSO rules that everyone feels is fair to them. We’ve tried to make some changes based on what people have asked for in the effort to increase the participation in TSO. It looks like we will have at least 8 cars this year which is better than in the past, I just hope that at least half of them are still running when it's time for eliminations. This has not been the case in the past.

What do we need to do to make the rules better for 2006? I think we should re-visit this thread after next months TSO event and figure out what needs to be clarified/changed. Looks like the turbo is item that need to be addressed... am I correct? If so what do you want to see changed? Do you guys think there should be a weight penalty for running different turbo and cylinder head configurations? It will only get better with the input YOU guys AGREE on. See the current 2005 TSO turbo rule listed below.


Turbo, Downpipe & Intercooler

Any single 3-bolt or 4-bolt stock location turbo allowed. Turbo compressor size limited up to and including a mid-frame 88mm, large frame "Thumper" style turbos are not allowed.
A 4”maximum size, stock location downpipe is allowed w/ a 5" inlet/transition at the turbo reduced down to 4” immediately after the 90* elbow at the turbo exit.


I will not be able to attend the Nationals next month because of work scheduling conflicts. On the outside chance that something changes and I am able to attend, I hope that possibly all of you as a group would get together and discuss what is needed, say during the peer teching on Friday morning when you will all be together as a group. Please let me know what you come up with.

Thanks and good luck!

 

[Joe Lubrant]

Originally posted by EightSecV6
What is to be used to determine "frame size"? Does anyone know?
Thanks,

Bill,

I think thats a great question, but as I stated in my other post....

"Frame/Bearing housing type is not as important as the end packaging. i.e. a GT4788 which you indicated as a Mid-Type frame, does have a larger and more efficient Compressor & Turbine housing it has easily exhibited HP in the 1500hp+ range compared to 1200-1250 for the standard 88 T4."

I used the GT4788 as an example, but it also applies to any T5/T6
Flanged turbo which normally uses a larger size Compressor Cover & Turbine Housing. They would also exhibit a 5" style Compressor Inlet & 5" Turbine outlet vs a Standard 88mm T4, with a 4" Inlet & 4" outlet piping provisions.

So in essence I'm saying the term Mid-Frame is sort of ambiguous, when trying to treat all 88mm type turbo's as equals in power potential. As I said before, it is really in the End Packaging. (Compressor Cover & Turbine Housing Type)

BTW My Plastic Head Light Covers are Legal.....some cars don't have a headlight there just a big ram air scoop!

Is it Legal for me to turn my "T" Emblem sideways to cut down on the wind drag

 

[turbobuick]

James, Thanks for the input. My personal opinion is the rules are pretty good for this year. Personally I'm just waiting to see what actually shows up and runs. If someone shows up this year with some ridiculous turbo and S2 heads and throws down a # and can ACUTALLY race the car then I may have an opinion, AFTER the NATS. Right now I would just be happy with 8 cars showing to race.

I know what my combo is capable of and will be there and be consistent. Funny thing is this class seems to have more carnage than the TSM class which is supposed to be the class that leaves crankshafts all over the track

Bill, good quesiton and one I feel needs addressed. I know its been asked before with very little input.

Joe, I think the platic headlight covers are not in "the spirit of the rules" I'm going to protest you

 

[Joe Lubrant]

Originally posted by turbobuick
James, Thanks for the input. My personal opinion is the rules are pretty good for this year. Personally I'm just waiting to see what actually shows up and runs. If someone shows up this year with some ridiculous turbo and S2 heads and throws down a # and can ACUTALLY race the car then I may have an opinion, AFTER the NATS. Right now I would just be happy with 8 cars showing to race.

I know what my combo is capable of and will be there and be
consistent. Funny thing is this class seems to have more carnage than the TSM class which is supposed to be the class that leaves crankshafts all over the track

Bill, good quesiton and one I feel needs addressed. I know its been asked before with very little input.

Joe, I think the platic headlight covers are not in "the spirit of the rules" I'm going to protest you

Chris,

I agree with you for the most part, maybe except for my Head Light Covers

James, I also thank you for your attention & input.

If my list below is correct, we should have a pretty good turn out for the class. Looks like 6-GN-1's to 4-Stage II set-ups.

1.) Jack Cotton --------GN-1's
2.) Cal Hartline --------GN-1's
3.) Jeff/Billy Anderson--GN-1's
4.) Dan Strezo (Joe L.)GN-1's
5.) Chris Lyons- --------GN-1's
6.) Otto-KLHammett--- GN-1's
7.) Tony Gomes--- -------Stage II's
8.) Dave Fiscus- ---------Stage II's
9.) Odell Cantrell-------- -Stage II's
10.)Tony O.(Pete Barton)-Stage II's

Have I forgotten anyone?

 

[Otto J]

I right now am putting the RED_LIGHT KABOSh on you guys
Or i need a car and the brake

 

[Joe Lubrant]

Since the dust has cleared somewhat after the Nats, I find that there was some value in the statements made in the previous posts regarding turbo's.

First I would like to thank Jack Cotton, for putting up with my harrasment, and showing up to participate in the TSO class.

Not only did he show-up, he was #3 TSO qualifier, and into the semi-finals against us. Prior to leaving the staging lanes to line up for the semi, Jack informed us he was experiencing a valve train issue. He elected not to run and cause possible further damage to his engine. He also stated due to his misfortune, he didn't see the need for us to put another hard run on our car prior to the final. Dan told him not to give up, but Jack said your car is the winner go get it in the final.

We know in drag racing anything can happen, we were disapointed in not being able to run Jack in the semi, but by the same token really appreciated his class gesture.

Jack was the first person to chase me down returning to the pits to express congrats on our win.

Nice runs on the car Jack!!.......Don't think that I'm going to stop harassing you.......it would only make you life boring

Getting back to turbo's for TSO I'm sure there will be numerous discussions in the months prior to the next Nats, as to where we put the limits on the HP potential of turbo's to be used for the class.

Most all know my feelings relating to parity for the power lmitations of turbo's allowed for the class. It has always been my intent to keep the smaller headed cars competitive with the StageII head cars.

A 1200-1250 hp turbo is capable of 8.5 to 8.6 et's for the class. Most have not yet extracted the capablity of their current combo's.
I can state as a fact 8.50's could have been run if the track was better. I'm not use to taking power off the car.

Its your class the majority rules.....hope that a common ground can be reach as to where to draw the line.

As you would might have thought, I had a great time at the Nats,
and of course will remember it always.

I am not sure if my car will be participating next year, as my future plans have been altered by a unexpected event.

 

[Nick Micale]

Originally posted by Joe Lubrant ...................................................Getting back to turbo's for TSO I'm sure there will be numerous discussions in the months prior to the next Nats, as to where we put the limits on the HP potential of turbo's to be used for the class.

Most all know my feelings relating to parity for the power lmitations of turbo's allowed for the class. It has always been my intent to keep the smaller headed cars competitive with the StageII head cars.

A 1200-1250 hp turbo is capable of 8.5 to 8.6 et's for the class. Most have not yet extracted the capablity of their current combo's.
I can state as a fact 8.50's could have been run if the track was better. I'm not use to taking power off the car.

Its your class the majority rules.....hope that a common ground can be reach as to where to draw the line................[/B]

Joe, we will miss you if you do not attend next year.

However, I do hope you will participate in defining the turbo rule for TSO, as you are a valuable resource and do want your input.

 

[Joe Lubrant]

Originally posted by Nick Micale
Joe, we will miss you if you do not attend next year.

However, I do hope you will participate in defining the turbo rule for TSO, as you are a valuable resource and do want your input.

Nick,

I will gladly accept your offer to participate in defining the turbo rules for TSO, since I no longer present any conflict of interest regarding Mfg/Supplier or Vendor.

I would also like to provide input or definition on some other gray or not well defined areas that seemed to have been stretched way beyond the original intent of the rules.

If its ok with you ? You can count me in.

 

[twin 93 svt]

I wish the TA Block and Stage II heads ran as good as they looked at the nats, but looking to be a contender soon!

See you at the next event, maybe TSM car will be back together also.......

 

[EightSecV6]

Originally posted by Joe Lubrant
since I no longer present any conflict of interest regarding Mfg/Supplier or Vendor.

Huh?

 

[HighPSI]

Originally posted by twin 93 svt
I wish the TA Block and Stage II heads ran as good as they looked at the nats

Tony Gomes went easy 8's with his Stage2 headed T/A block this year at BG.

Joe: Give me a call sometime, especially if your coming to FL.

 

[Otto J]

Bill, I think you were there for the conversation

 

[EightSecV6]

Originally posted by KLHAMMETT
Bill, I think you were there for the conversation

Must have missed that part.....

 

[baadgn]

Originally posted by twin 93 svt
I wish the TA Block and Stage II heads ran as good as they looked at the nats, but looking to be a contender soon

IT DID ! 8.85 @157 under tsm legal boost

 

[JCotton]

Joe, thanks for the mention, I am especially happy with the outcome of TSO. It was exciting to say the least. Qualifying #3 was especially gratifying for me as those of us that participate at this level know how difficult it is to put togethjer a car that is competitive and can stay together to the end. The final outcome says alot about the quality engine builders we both use, Dan from DLS and Bobby from RPE, not to forget, Billy Anderson as well. Jeff's car was nasty and Otto did a great job of keeping his RPE built bullit in the hunt.

The class has potential to grow, I liked what I saw and hope we can put something together for BPG Nats in Ohio. I would look forward to competing again with you and Dan, OC, Chris, Otto, Jeff, and whoever else can make it. We had a great time out there last year.

Once again Joe, a big Congrats to you and Dan for your 1st place finish, your team with Jim and Daisy included earned it!!

 

[86brick]

Originally posted by baadgn
IT DID ! 8.85 @157 under tsm legal boost

Nice, guess that aluminum block aint so bad after all! BTW, I think you're the fastest so far with a TA motor and let's not forget the fastest Buick with A/C