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klrv6

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GM to close truck plants, shift to fuel-efficient cars - Jun. 3, 2008

They are stopping production of most of the truck line within the US borders. I don't think they are killing off all the models, just production in the US. They have a truck/SUV plant in Mexico. Things I have read today suggest that they have technology that will give the stated 9mpg plus improvement for smaller cars. The GEO Metro XFI returns with safety factor, I'm sure it's going to ride on another name but, it will have close to that efficiency. Could this be the move that puts them on top of toyota again? I picked up a few more grand in their stock this morning... I feel this move will allow them to finally direct their R&D into the customers hands.
 
Yea, but don't forget. They have untold thousands of trucks and SUV's in holding lots with no where to go! Just this morning on a local talk show they were talking about a slightly used Cadillac Escalade that's sitting on a local lot with 4000 miles on it for $18,000!!!:eek: I think this is just the beginning as who the hell's gonna be able to afford to put $5.00 a gal gas in em?? And yes, I do live in the state with the HIGHEST gas prices in the US!!:mad:

KB
 
Info I read said the Hummer was toast...
I just came back from the gas station...Talk bout a screwin'!!
The operator has a $.02 markup, and is at $3.99.9. He told me it was going up $.02 more in the Am.
here's the kicker: He gets 2 cents/gallon. Most folks use a credit card. The CC co. charges him 2.5% for the card...
So, @ $4.00/gallon, that's 10 cents for card vs 2 cents gp on the gallon. [ And the oil co's say they are entitled to the big $ they make??]
And, to top that off, his electric bill averages $1600/mo, and he closes at 10pm...

Kinda makes one want a small business, right??
As for gas prices.. NE1 see what the Turks are paying?? $11.00 US!!
 
Info I read said the Hummer was toast...
I just came back from the gas station...Talk bout a screwin'!!
The operator has a $.02 markup, and is at $3.99.9. He told me it was going up $.02 more in the Am.
here's the kicker: He gets 2 cents/gallon. Most folks use a credit card. The CC co. charges him 2.5% for the card...
So, @ $4.00/gallon, that's 10 cents for card vs 2 cents gp on the gallon. [ And the oil co's say they are entitled to the big $ they make??]
And, to top that off, his electric bill averages $1600/mo, and he closes at 10pm...

Kinda makes one want a small business, right??
As for gas prices.. NE1 see what the Turks are paying?? $11.00 US!!


Most people never believe the retailer is not making any more than they are. The common perception seems to be that it is getting marked up a ton at the pump...............glad to see someone realize that is not the case.
 
Yea, but don't forget. They have untold thousands of trucks and SUV's in holding lots with no where to go! Just this morning on a local talk show they were talking about a slightly used Cadillac Escalade that's sitting on a local lot with 4000 miles on it for $18,000!!!:eek: I think this is just the beginning as who the hell's gonna be able to afford to put $5.00 a gal gas in em?? And yes, I do live in the state with the HIGHEST gas prices in the US!!:mad:

KB

I would seriously think about upgrading our suburban to a new one if the prices keep coming down. Didn't this same thing happen in the late '70s.
 
I would seriously think about upgrading our suburban to a new one if the prices keep coming down. Didn't this same thing happen in the late '70s.

Kinda but the difference is gas prices will unlikely drop to a more reasonable level like they did in the 70's to make people run out and buy an SUV. They will just stay the same for a while vs. going up like they are now. Big oil made $41 billion in profits. I would hate to see them take a loss and only earn $40 billion....:rolleyes:
 
Move all those big SUVs over to Saudi...they only pay $0.27 a gallon there!! GM has the resources to move them all there.
 
I have to laugh sometimes when people classify "SUV" as an all encompassing group of vehicles. Our suburban gets pretty much the same mileage as the new *crossover* vehicles but, people still judge it as a 12mpg beast. If my wife only puts an average of 1500-2000 miles on it a year, it doesn't hurt that bad when we do put gas in it. Some lady in a chevy aveo laughed at my wife when she stopped for gas today. HMM... we aren't to the point where we can justify purchasing a $14000 + tax car just to say we don't drive an SUV anymore. I do tow the occasional 4000+lb load of firewood with it, let's see an aveo do that. I just hope the main vehicle line stays, just thinned down a little.
 
I have to laugh sometimes when people classify "SUV" as an all encompassing group of vehicles. Our suburban gets pretty much the same mileage as the new *crossover* vehicles but, people still judge it as a 12mpg beast. If my wife only puts an average of 1500-2000 miles on it a year, it doesn't hurt that bad when we do put gas in it. Some lady in a chevy aveo laughed at my wife when she stopped for gas today. HMM... we aren't to the point where we can justify purchasing a $14000 + tax car just to say we don't drive an SUV anymore. I do tow the occasional 4000+lb load of firewood with it, let's see an aveo do that. I just hope the main vehicle line stays, just thinned down a little.

News from here is the Arlington Plant is safe. They just spent a $1/2 billion on it and 1/4 of the employees took the buyout so they will have a relatively cheap work force going forward.

It has the ability to make all of the full size SUV's: (Sub/Yukon/Tahoe/Escalade)

They don't make avalanches, so maybe the avalanches days are numbered....
 
Most people never believe the retailer is not making any more than they are. The common perception seems to be that it is getting marked up a ton at the pump...............glad to see someone realize that is not the case.

I have a friend who owns a gas station and they really dont make jack. He's still trying to get by even though the oil co.s are doing very well...
 
News from here is the Arlington Plant is safe. They just spent a $1/2 billion on it and 1/4 of the employees took the buyout so they will have a relatively cheap work force going forward.

It has the ability to make all of the full size SUV's: (Sub/Yukon/Tahoe/Escalade)

They don't make avalanches, so maybe the avalanches days are numbered....

So this guy I work with was having a nice, well motivated discussion about some serious issues we were having on one of our plant floors. He made a slam against something related to the IT department...I respond with "People in glass houses shouldn't drive 4-door elcaminos" everyone in the meeting room broke down laughing as this guy just realized the Avalanche is really just an elcamino.

saw my first hybrid tahoe this weekend. Man, there is no way you could miss that thing. Every exterior surface has "hybrid" on it. I hope GM doesn't stop development on those types of solutions.
 
saw my first hybrid tahoe this weekend. Man, there is no way you could miss that thing. Every exterior surface has "hybrid" on it. I hope GM doesn't stop development on those types of solutions.

The Hybrid Escalade is even Funnier. It has a Huge Hybrid Logo in the fender vents that subliminally says "suck it".
 
I have to laugh sometimes when people classify "SUV" as an all encompassing group of vehicles.
Just don't want to list them all out. A truck had a distinct purpose until everyone started driving them and they became cool to drive, then the automakers started making the "suv" which is nothing more than a truck merged with a station wagon, which was not so cool to drive anymore :) A suburban, escalade, tahoe, and any other 4-door on a truck frame with a hatchback would be considered a "suv". If you're only driving it 1500 miles a year then heck, you don't care if gas went to $10/gal unless you meant 15,000 :) And yes, the crossovers don't get that good of gas mileage either..but what do I care about gas mileage, the best gas mileage car I have is my GN :) I wouldn't mind the gas price so much if 50% of the people on the roads quit driving so I could actually drive the speed limit on the local freeways :D...then my gas mileage would go up some. Or if everyone started riding motorcycles...I would ride one now if it weren't for those folks driving the big vehicles with their cell phones in their ear not paying attention..its bad enough trying to drive a car with those folks on the road. Those driving the big ones think they are invincible and pull out in front of anything..bet they wouldn't do that if they were driving a Fiat.
 
Just 1500 to 2000 miles a year. My wife and I despised large vehicles like SUVs and giant pickups, until a drunk driver rear ended her and destroyed her L4 and L5 disks in her back. This was while she was in a '93 Sentra. Her neurosurgeon told her to think about a larger vehicle or next time it may be a wheel chair she is shopping for. It really is just a big station wagon but, we like it and would hate to have to get rid of it. Get the drunks off the road and I would gladly crush the thing.
 
Nothing like reading second hand news. Here's a copy and paste of GMs press release. Now you know the rest of the story. Fill in between the lines anyway.


GM Announces New Products, Capacity Adjustments; Continues Transformation of North American Business


New car, powertrain programs to meet the changing needs of U.S. customers
Chevy Volt production gets the green light from the GM board
GM builds on car momentum with additional capacity; adjusts truck capacity
Hummer brand set for strategic review
WILMINGTON, Del. - GM today announced a range of strategic initiatives to aggressively respond to growing demand for fuel-efficient vehicles and to economic and market challenges in North America. Rick Wagoner, GM chairman and CEO, made the announcements here as part of the GM annual meeting of stockholders.

Major initiatives announced by Wagoner include:

A new global compact car program for Chevrolet, a next generation for the popular Chevy Aveo, and a high efficiency engine module for the U.S. market.
Funding for production of the Chevy Volt extended-range electric vehicle.
Addition of third shifts to Lordstown and Orion, which build hot-selling Chevy and Pontiac cars.
Cessation of production at four plants that build pickups, SUVs and medium-duty trucks.
A strategic review of the Hummer brand.
"From the start of our North American turnaround plan in 2005, I've said that our goal is not just to return GM to profitability, but to structure GM globally for sustained profitability and growth," said Wagoner.

"Since the first of this year, however, U.S. economic and market conditions have become significantly more difficult," he said. "Higher gasoline prices are changing consumer behavior, and they are significantly affecting the U.S. auto industry sales mix."

In North America, GM has been moving rapidly and successfully to revitalize its car lineup and grow its crossover business. New GM cars and crossovers, including the Cadillac CTS, Chevy Malibu, Pontiac Vibe and Buick Enclave, have been selling strongly, and GM intends to build on this success. In fact, 18 of the next 19 new GM products for the U.S. will be cars or crossovers.

Additional operational and strategic actions will be required to position GM for sustainable profitability and growth. These initiatives fall into three broad areas: product and technology, manufacturing facilities and capacity, and the Hummer brand.

New Chevrolet models and a high-efficiency engine module approved

To further strengthen GM's lineup of fuel-efficient cars, the GM board has approved a next-generation compact Chevy for the U.S. and global markets, a next generation of the popular Chevy Aveo, and a U.S. production module of GM's 1.4-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine.

The new Chevy compact will be better equipped than today's compact cars, and will be designed to set quality and safety benchmarks for the compact class. Production will begin in mid-2010 at GM's Lordstown, Ohio, plant, subject to final negotiations with state and local authorities.

"This car will represent the first U.S. application of our global architecture strategy," said Wagoner. "This strategy will pay major dividends as we leverage our extensive car product development capability in Europe, Korea, and other locations to accelerate the shift in our U.S. product portfolio."

The next-generation compact will be pure Chevrolet in design, and will feature the 1.4-liter turbocharged version of GM's global four-cylinder engine. With this engine and a manual transmission, the new Chevy is expected to achieve a 9 mpg improvement over Chevy's current entry in this segment. The engine will be produced in Flint, Michigan, again subject to final negotiations with state and local authorities.

Also recently approved was a next generation of the popular Chevy Aveo. Based on a global architecture, the Aveo is also expected to have segment-leading fuel economy when it goes on sale in the U.S. market in the second half of 2010.

These new Chevy models will help build on GM's leadership in fuel efficient vehicles. For example, GM continues to offer more vehicles with a 30-mpg or better highway fuel economy rating than any competitor.

Chevy Volt is a go

The Chevy Volt took a major step toward the showroom with formal approval by the GM board of funding for production of the extended-range electric vehicle. This approval, which includes funding for production development and tooling, indicates that GM leadership believes that the technology for the Volt, including its lithium-ion batteries, will be ready for volume production on schedule.

"The Chevy Volt is a go," said Wagoner. "We believe this is the biggest step yet in our industry's move away from our historic, virtually complete reliance on petroleum to power vehicles."

"We intend to show a production version of the Chevy Volt publicly in the very near future, and we remain focused on our target of getting the Volt into Chevrolet showrooms by the end of 2010," Wagoner said.

Preliminary plans are to produce the Volt at GM's Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly Center, subject to successful discussions with state and local governments.

Capacity adjustments address market shifts

GM will react to the shift in the U.S. market by increasing production of small and midsize cars and reducing production of pickups and truck-based SUVs.

GM will add a third shift in September to the Orion Assembly Center in Michigan, which builds the hot-selling Chevy Malibu and Pontiac G6. Also in September, the company plans to add a third shift at Lordstown Car Assembly in Ohio, which builds the Chevy Cobalt and Pontiac G5.

On the other side of the mix equation, market-related declines in truck sales mean that, over time, GM will cease production at four truck plants.

Oshawa Truck Assembly in Canada, which builds the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra, will likely cease production in 2009, while Moraine, Ohio, which builds the Chevy TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy and Saab 9-7x, will end production at the end of the 2010 model run, or sooner, if demand dictates. Janesville, Wisconsin, will cease production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and of the Tahoe, Suburban and Yukon in 2010, or sooner, if market demand dictates. Chevrolet Kodiak medium-duty truck production will also end in Toluca, Mexico, by the end of this year.

GM expects that these actions, along with the recent announcement to remove shifts at two other U.S. truck plants (Pontiac and Flint, Michigan), will result in an additional GM North America structural cost savings of more than $1 billion, on a running rate basis, by 2010. This is on top of the approximately $5 billion running rate reduction by 2011 that we announced earlier this year, and also in addition to the $9 billion reduction accomplished over the 2006-07 period in North America.

GM will work closely with its union partners to mitigate the impact of these difficult actions, which are made necessary by long-term changes in consumer demand for trucks and SUVs.

Strategic assessment for Hummer brand

Finally, GM is undertaking a strategic review of the Hummer brand to determine its fit within the GM portfolio. At this point, the company is considering all options, from a complete revamp of the product lineup to a partial or complete sale of the brand.

Moving forward

"We are making a number of important announcements today, covering everything from product and technology investments to capacity adjustments to a strategic review of our Hummer brand," said Wagoner. "These moves are all in response to the rapid rise in oil prices and the resulting changes in the U.S., changes that we believe are more structural than cyclical.

"While some of the actions, especially the capacity reductions, are very difficult, they are necessary to adjust to changing market and economic conditions and to keep GM's U.S. turnaround on track and moving forward."

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I dont think there is a glut of trucks and SUVs on the dealer lots. Listen up peeps. American Axle was on strike. Any surplus that was out there is already on the dealer lots. It aint like they are sitting on a 120-200 day supply of vehilcles like Chrysler and Toyota. This is just phase2 of what GM annouced 2 years ago. Back than it seemed like half the company was on the chopping blocks. If you look through the smokescreen you'll see that this has been in the works for a long time. $4.00 gas was just the perfect moment to pull the plug. No worry anyway. Those lines will be up and running at full capacity after the Volt and other alternative cars hit the showrooms. You have to build them somewhere.

As for the dumba$$es in Aveos or Prius' and any other weeney cars. My comeback has always been. "At Least It Is Paid For!". You can buy a lot of gas for what they are making for a car payment.

The Avalanche is built in Silao Mexico. Along with the Suburban,Yukon and Tahoe. For some reason GM does not build Escalades there. I don't know why GM keeps Arlington running. I've owned 2 cars built there. Both had major quality control issues. They say the state of Texas accounts for 20% of the Suburban sales in this country. You dont hear WI(Tahoe,Escalade) or OH(Silverado,Sierra) passing laws that proclaim a certian truck as the official state truck do you? BTW the Texas Truck Option is RPO RUF. I dont think TX would miss out on anything if GM shut Arlington down.

And I dont consider the Avalanche an ElCamino. The Avalanche is a SUV built on a truck frame. The ElCamino is a truck built on a car frame. That doesn't sound right. The S-10 is a truck that shares it's front suspension with the G-body. Enough ranting. I've got a headache. Actually the smoke from all my thinking just set off the smoke detector.:rolleyes:
 
Just 1500 to 2000 miles a year. My wife and I despised large vehicles like SUVs and giant pickups, until a drunk driver rear ended her and destroyed her L4 and L5 disks in her back. This was while she was in a '93 Sentra. Her neurosurgeon told her to think about a larger vehicle or next time it may be a wheel chair she is shopping for. It really is just a big station wagon but, we like it and would hate to have to get rid of it. Get the drunks off the road and I would gladly crush the thing.
I understand that, thats why my wife has taken my truck from me as she just feels safer in it, but I think that is the case with 99% of the big vehicle owners. Not only the drunks but just people don't pay attention when their driving anymore, always distracted by something...there was a guy at the GS Nats with a little Toyota I think it was with a huge train air horn on it....I'm thinking of building one just so I can scare the living crap out of the next person that changes lanes and cuts me off cause they aren't paying attention...maybe it will wake them up :D
At least you don't have to drive it that much....looks like GM will be building some neat stuff in the coming years per Eric's post above. That Smart Car actually has a rollcage tubular design structure that is almost crush proof so it should be a very safe car..just may give you severe whip lash when something big hits it, but it won't crush you.
 
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