why does the car feel like so slow

[Phoneguy]

wow lol im starting to feel more at home now with really good information being said and people opinion on my setup
weich kit do you guys recomend, lemme guess razors

and weich one is the only one pregressive or is that just the best one and what do i tell eric when i need to order the new chip

how much of an increase in boost can i raise it too after the alky or should i say the MAX?

where to tap it into the up pipe that goes into the throttle body?

what is it called exactly denatured alchahol?

I would definitely go with Razors kit. Yes it is progressive and it is the only one he makes. Easy to install. Tech support if needed. His kit rocks and just plain works. I dont run a chip in my car so someone else will have a better answer for you on what to order as far as a chip.

Bryan

 

[notacarlo]

SMC Gen 1. I have to set the controller to what psi to come on at and how much is sprayed. Razor's kit taps the MAP sensor and brings the alcohol on "progressively" - damn good kit, judging by the billion happy threads dedicated to it.

Tell Eric (TT) exactly what your combo is via his ordering section on the site.

 

[Roc87]

Notacarlo, that's a newer SMC kit than what I started with Mine was the old round bottle without the pressure gauge I got a 12.2 with that kit (PT51, 50# injectors, lower timing and around 25# of boost) only reason I bought razors kit was that SMC wouldn't let me raise the timing up to what I could run with C16, but it was the best $ spent on the car at the time.
Liv4gnz, Even with all my bolt-ons, I'm not sure It'd run a high 12 without the alky (Or C16) at 17#. Get the alky, you won't regret it.

 

[notacarlo]

Notacarlo, that's a newer SMC kit than what I started with Mine was the old round bottle without the pressure gauge I got a 12.2 with that kit (PT51, 50# injectors, lower timing and around 25# of boost) only reason I bought razors kit was that SMC wouldn't let me raise the timing up to what I could run with C16, but it was the best $ spent on the car at the time.
Liv4gnz, Even with all my bolt-ons, I'm not sure It'd run a high 12 without the alky (Or C16) at 17#. Get the alky, you won't regret it.

You are right. Let's call it Gen 1.2

 

[87granny]

Notacarlo, that's a newer SMC kit than what I started with Mine was the old round bottle without the pressure gauge I got a 12.2 with that kit (PT51, 50# injectors, lower timing and around 25# of boost) only reason I bought razors kit was that SMC wouldn't let me raise the timing up to what I could run with C16, but it was the best $ spent on the car at the time.
Liv4gnz, Even with all my bolt-ons, I'm not sure It'd run a high 12 without the alky (Or C16) at 17#. Get the alky, you won't regret it.

Yea that's the kit i have right now round bottle with no gauge and no test button and so far it's 12.8 at 19lbs of boost

 

[Roc87]

Yea that's the kit i have right now round bottle with no gauge and no test button and so far it's 12.8 at 19lbs of boost

No test button!? Guess I had a Gen 1.1

 

[notacarlo]

I got a 12.1 out of that at 18 psi. Wonder what she'll do with 26?

 

[87granny]

No test button!? Guess I had a Gen 1.1

All i got is a dial spray light power on light and low alky light need to update cause this things a dinasour but it works. I also wonder what mine will do with a better launch and DR it feels wicked fast on the street though

 

[SPOOLN]

13s

You are drowning your motor with those 60# injectors. You should be running real low 13s with the parts you have now and thats on street tires..

 

[87granny]

You are drowning your motor with those 60# injectors. You should be running real low 13s with the parts you have now and thats on street tires..

He never said 13s he hasn't been to the track he just thinks it doesn't feel like a 12 second car with the parts he has and he doesn't want to add alky and we are trying to talk him into it

 

["Turbo-T"]

Get the Razor's kit. It costs $530. Buy from Razor at alkycontrol.com. You get everything you'll ever need. And Julio is one hell of a big help if you run into any snags.

How often you go thru alky depends on how often you use it. If you're always hitting the boost and the light comes on, then you know the alky is going. The Razors kit is designed to spray only as much as needed...meaning the more boost you make the more it sprays. Well thought out kit.

I will say this....with the Razor's kit there's a low level light that comes with it that fits in the dash. It glows before the tank gets too low.

Razors kit has a nozzle that taps into the up pipe. It has a pump that sits behind the front bumper. And the alky tank is the same as/replaces the stock coolant catch tank. (you get a new smaller catch tank with the kit) Then there's a little computer that sits inside the car that gets a signal from the MAP sensor. It then translates the output into voltage which then dictates how fast the pump spins. The faster it spins the more alky is injected.

How much does alky cost? Around here $3.75 a gallon at the one and only gas station that sells it next to the racing fuel. Your local drag strip might sell it, depends. At Lowes the hardware store, about $15 a gallon can. Yes it's called Denatured Alcohol. Usually sold where the paint stuff is sold.

When you order your chip from Eric you need to tell him what size injectors you have, turbo size, gear ratio size, speedo accuracy, etc. Go to the Turbo Tweak homepage on here in the vendors spot at the bottom of the main page. The order form asks you everything you need to know.

How much boost you can raise it to after the alky is going to depend. You might get 22 PSI, you might get 26. It all depends on your tune. The big thing is making sure there's no knock when upping the boost. If there is you have to stop and back out until the problem is found, or kiss your engine goodbye. Turbo engines have a ZERO tolerance for knock. You have to start off slow and work your way up. That's the tune I told you about in your last post.

As mentioned alky is probably the biggest bang for the buck. Do this and the chip and get it tuned and you'll be amazed. Then later save up for other goodies.

If you don't want to run alky your other option is to run race fuel, which is more expensive in the long run.

 

[notacarlo]

Another thing I'd like to add for your piece of mind.

My car doesn't feel like an 11 second car. The track proved that, but on the street it just feels quick. 0-120 mph feels like a real fast caddy.

 

[grocerygetter]

yup...Razor's kit and a Turbotweak chip. done deal...sign sealed delivered.

 

[liv4gnz]

ok you convinced me so after everything comes in i got the chip and alky kit what do i do how much boost do i start off with or does it come pre tuned to a certain boost

 

[notacarlo]

How did you order the chip? You tell him how much boost you want to run and he burns it.

 

[87TurboType]

It has more in it.

There is definitley more in it, I have a ta49 and I ran a 12.65 my first day and the only thing I have is 50pnd injectors, hot wire kite, volt booster, adjustable regulator, and FMIC and that was leaving with only 3pnds of boost, also my buddy ran 11.60 with the turbo you have and the same stuff
I have except he had a THDP.

like i posted in the other thread its like a dead ****en horse

with the mods in the sig im not expecting to run elevens but like the car is really not as fast as i thought it would be

i been through alot of cars and im not just throwing parts at it and expecting to make it fast

im taking the time asking a thousand questions before i do anything

but still like

it takes off decent but than it just pulls consistantly and doesnt speed up more like its hitting a wall

its at seventeen pounds only sees 93 octane but what else is ther left to do supposedly theres poeple on here that run like 12s with this setup but definately does not feel like a twelve second car

what else would help me out

vlavesprings
front mount
downpipe

but i dont want to cover the problem up with another mod i would like it to pull the way it should now

 

[87TurboType]

There is more in it.

I ran a 12.65 my first day with a ta49, leaving the line with only 3pnds of boost and I was running about 19pnds, the only things that I have that you dont is hot wire kit, volt booster, and FMIC but I always run 116 race gas. Plus my ran a 11.60 with same turbo you have and he had the same things I do except he has a THDP, so use race gas and turn it up some more.

 

[87TurboType]

It does have more

You need to take it to the track. I ran a 12.65 my first time taking the car out and I have a ta49 but I do use 116 race gas always. The only thing I have that you dont is a hot wire kit, volt booster, and FMIC. I only left with like 3 pnds of boost and I was running like 20pnds of boost. My buddy ran a 11.60 with the te44 and the only ting he has that I dont is a THDP. Butlike people say its all in the tuning.

 

["Turbo-T"]

ok you convinced me so after everything comes in i got the chip and alky kit what do i do how much boost do i start off with or does it come pre tuned to a certain boost

First thing you do is start off at a safe boost level. Like maybe 12-14 PSI.

Install chip (make sure you ground yourself if possible) when you do, that way you don't discharge any static electricity into the chip and destroy it. (even if you don't "feel it", it can still be there...electrostatic discharge is a BIG thing with chips)

Then install the alky kit. It's a good sized job, but if you have any wiring skills it should be cake for you. Everything is pre customized to fit. And Julio is always glad to help via telephone.

Boost is controlled by your wastegate. If you have an adjustable wastegate actuator, your actuator rod will be threaded. If not you'll either have to do it yourself or buy an already theaded one. Shortening the rod makes more boost, lengthening it reduces boost.

Then once everything is in and such, take car to the track and tune for being able to go faster without knock. Make a pass, watch for knock. if none then add another lb of boost. If car feels like it's hitting a wall at XX speed maybe take a little fuel out of the TT chip via the Scanmaster and your gas pedal.

If you see any knock at all, LIFT OFF the pedal.

Also not sure if you've done this but before you do this I'd make sure your engine has a good tune up on it, your fuel filter is fresh and you have a new high flow fuel pump in the tank with a hot wire kit to feed it.

 

[liv4gnz]

How did you order the chip? You tell him how much boost you want to run and he burns it.

y

well atleast 20?

what SHOULD i tell him to make it and can i give or take a couple pounds after he burns the desired amount into the chip or i have to stay at the level he sends me

how would i know how much already when i dont know how the car is going to react to it

i just keep getting the feeling that you guys are thinking im taking this car like a rush

i have very busy shop weich i run im almost 20 years old and do have the money and time and supplies to get it all done

tuning is nothign new to me just teh car and the ways to tune the car are new

tel me to tune a dsm and ill grab my wideband and set it up perfectly

i want this car to run and run hard but before that the tune is going to be spot on

im not new to this car stuff nor tuning been doing it my whole life

im not like a kid that knows nothing about the car and you guys keep telling me just be careful dont blow it up knock and too much boost dont rush into it

i would rather like a friends response that a fathers response maybe because i might be one of the youngest members on here lol no offense

but yea i just wanted to get that cleared up the alky kit was ordered today and what do you think i should tell eric to burn the chip for