Wide-band sensor/controller Free air recalibration VS NEVER having to recalibrate

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I am in the market for a WB sensor and i wonder why some need to be re-calibrated and some don't?

time to show my ignorance
Assumptions
The one that NEED to get re-calibrated - 1-is more accurate because its been recently re-calibrated (lets say every 3 months) OR its software is flawed and thats why it needs to be re-calibrated.

The one that does NOT need to be re-calibrated - is more accurate because it has better software that does not require any re-calibrations.

Help me out here guys.
 
I believe that the bosch WB o2 sensor has a resistor that basically tells the WB controller what the calibration is. This is incredibly accurate. The only problem (if you want to call it that) is that as the sensor ages calibration can drift. It works for the OEM's so I can't say it's horrible but personally I went with a controller that can use the factory cal of the sensor and also has the ability to do a free air calibration.
 
ive pondered the same ? and ive come to the conculsion that in the end its just a number. weather that number is true to the actual a/f doesnt matter...you tune it to what your car likes anyway
 
ive pondered the same ? and ive come to the conculsion that in the end its just a number. weather that number is true to the actual a/f doesnt matter...you tune it to what your car likes anyway

Yes and no.

If you tune your car and find 10.8 is your number with your sensor/controller that's great. But if your sensor starts to drift and you're using it to correct then 10.8 could become 11.0 and you could have problems. Again, I'll emphasize that the oem's don't need free air calibration but they aren't going all out either. This is just food for thought.
 
Depends on the controller. Some require constant re-calibration. Some have a robust enough controller that they don't require calibration. It's just that simple.
Some controllers are extremely susceptible to EMI/RFI(and require re-calibration). Others are not, and don't. It's just that simple.
 
i do not calibrate my controller at all as its free air calibration and tends to make the o2 sensor only accurate at stoich not at a rich mixture
 
True or false -A controller translates the sensors readings.
A really good controller calculates (i guess) the sensors wearing out and still produces accurate readings.

A not so good controller resets it self to the new free air calibration just performed in order to produce accurate readings??

i guess the Life expectancy of the sensor if pre-loaded onto the controllers software. Now IF you come across a failing sensor how does the controller account for that, In a none free air calibrated system??
While Assuming that a Free air calibration would inform you of a failing sensor or at least calibrate it self to the new sensors tolerances.

True or False - When a Sensor completely fails the systems fail safe is to go RICH

thanks for your help guys.
 
The AEM Uego wideband (uses a Bosch sensor) was easy to install and has worked perfect so far. Only cost $35 for a bung to get welded in. Bung comes in the package. I got mine from TurboTweak along with the 6.1 chip and powerlogger. When I researched which one to get, I went with what was easier to install and maintain.
 
The AEM Uego wideband (uses a Bosch sensor) was easy to install and has worked perfect so far. Only cost $35 for a bung to get welded in. Bung comes in the package. I got mine from TurboTweak along with the 6.1 chip and powerlogger.
that sounds good
does that one require any re-calibrations
BUT i have a sensor/controller in mind which is why i am putting out all of these dumb questions.

BTW- i just sent this question "What are the benefits of having to perform free air calibrations on your systems VS Systems like the PLX witch DO NOT require any free air calibration?" to a company that obviously makes controllers that require free air calibration.
 
5 of my friends use the AEM including me. No recalibration and only one sensor has went bad. I like them! When the one went bad it reasd like 14.8 A/F. This is a lean reading so wideband tracking systems add fuel, safe thing to do. You don't want one that reads rich because it will pull fuel and cause damage if the system allows enough to be pulled.
 
WOW talk about getting right back to me

this is the response to the question i sent "This should be obvious – without free air calibration capability, there is no way to compensate for ageing and drift of the sensor."

this is along the lines of what i guessed it to be. What now???
 
copy and paste from the designer of one of my wideband units .i own a few different units :D

Free air is a horrible calibration gas for applications where rich accuracy is important, basically for all performance applications.

Wideband controllers do not measure lambda directly, they measure pump current, the amount of current required to balance the sensor at stoich. The relationship between pump current and lambda is defined in the bosch datasheet, and from that you can calculate lambda.


This is taken directly from the bosch LSU 4.2 datasheet.

The curve Pump Current (Ip) Vs Lambda curve is divided into 2 sections. One section for Ip <0, rich, and another for Ip >0, lean. Each section has its own totally different electro-chemical reaction, and thus that is why the curves are very different.

It might seem that given the curve, one can use free air as a calibration gas to calculate a compensation value to apply to all points on the curve. however the curve above is a "Nominal" curve, that is the expected curve for a perfect sensor, there are no confidence/tolerance bounds on the curve above.

With the above curve, all I am trying to do is to visually illustrate that the rich and lean curve are very different and using the lean curve to come up with a compensation value for the rich curve is stretching reality.



This is taken directly from the bosch LSU 4.2 datasheet.

For a new sensor @ Lambda = 1.7, lean gas, the tolerance of the measured lambda is 0.05. For a new sensor @ Lambda = 0.8, rich, the tolerance of the measured lambda is 0.01.

Note, that the magnitude of the pump current for 0.8 lambda is roughly the same as the the magnitude of the pump current for 1.7 lambda, according to the Ip vs Lambda graph, this just means that 0.8 lambda vs 1.7 lambda is a good basis illustrating the rich vs lean tolerances of the sensor.

Why is accuracy of the lambda sensor 0.01 lambda for 0.8 lambda rich gas, and why does that accuracy fall to 0.05 for 1.7 lambda lean gas? the answer is that bosch calibrates each sensor using rich gas at the factory using a lazer cut calibration resistor. if bosch were to use lean gas for calibration, the lean accuracy would be very good and the rich accuracy would suffer. How bad would the rich accuracy be if lean gas was used for calibration? I do not know, but assuming 0.05 accuracy is reasonable IMHO, that translates to about 0.735 AFR accuracy in rich gas for a gasoline engine.

Also note that using free air for calibration is "free", bosch takes the extra step to use rich gas, if free air was as good as rich gas for calibration of the rich curve, Bosch would have saved the money and used free air instead.

Factory calibration of the bosch sensor using rich gas is included in the price you pay for the sensor. Throwing the calibration away and relying on free air calibration which reduces your rich accuracy is just foolish.

Also note that after 500 hours of bench time the accuracy of the lambda sensor drops to 0.02. Free air calibration will compensate for the aged sensor, however the end result is still worse accuracy than 0.02 lambda accuracy for rich gas.

Coles notes: Free Air calibration will ensure your lean accuracy is very good and the rich accuracy is very poor. Rich gas calibration done by bosch from the factory ensures each sensor has 0.01 lambda accuracy for rich gas, but the accuracy for lean gas is much worse. If you are tuning for performance, rich, then you do not want free air calibration. If you are running a very lean burn engine, then free air calibration is a useful feature.
 
delcowizzid i'll have to read that ten times with an "technical to idiot" dictionary on hand:biggrin: but i think i got the general idea.


i sent that same company another question
How often does/should your system be free air calibrated when using 93 pump gas and Methanol injection in a EFI Turbo motor??

this was their response
Perhaps every 100-200 hours. The problem is more severe with leaded racing gas, where sensor life is only 10-25 hours and recalibration is required after every racing event.

BTW the sensor they use is a "Bosch LSU4.2 5-wire wide-band oxygen sensor"
 
that sounds good
does that one require any re-calibrations
BUT i have a sensor/controller in mind which is why i am putting out all of these dumb questions.

BTW- i just sent this question "What are the benefits of having to perform free air calibrations on your systems VS Systems like the PLX witch DO NOT require any free air calibration?" to a company that obviously makes controllers that require free air calibration.

Well, since you're leaning toward what IMHO, is a sub par system, I've sent the same question to PLX, to see what they say. You should have done the same. Getting only one side of the story isn't going to help you much.
 
Well, since you're leaning toward what IMHO, is a sub par system, I've sent the same question to PLX, to see what they say. You should have done the same. Getting only one side of the story isn't going to help you much.
You sold me on the PLX years ago.--
wish list
1-PLX
2-TT's --Wideband AEM Inline UEGO
3-the readily available Free air calibration unit.
i just happen to have the other system available to me at a very good deal (if it works) and i didn't just want to turn that deal away with out doing extra research.
 
Since David brought this up is there a stand alone wide band that doesn't require a computer to use it. Pretty much stand alone? No hijack ntended but just wanted to throw it out there.
 
The way I look at it is that the sensors drift with age. Some controllers ignore that and do not allow recalibration, some (at least one brand, Innovate) allow a free-air calibration which may not be the complete answer but according to Innovate's patents and discussions on their help forum is a pretty good first step, and research grade units can do multiple point calibrations with special gas mixtures for top accuracy. It's not that you MUST do recalibrations with the Innovates, it is that you CAN. If you don't bother to do recalibrations with the Innovate unit it will still be just as accurate as other brands that don't allow recalibration, and if you do recalibrate occasionally it should be better if the sensor has drifted.
 
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