BA Intercoolers: Anybody have one?

[S2V6RACER]

Then prove it! Quit going behind my posts and commenting on them!

Well prove by example on this thread then.

 

[V6 Beast]

Well prove by example on this thread then.

Ted.. when I 1st posted in this thread I didn't make mention, comment or even consider your post. Then you and Dave have to come in and start attacking like always.

 

[S2V6RACER]

Ted.. when I 1st posted in this thread I didn't make mention, comment or even consider your post. Then you and Dave have to come in and start attacking like always.

Actually I asked you a couple of questions. Please revisit my original post to you then revisit your response to me. I was not attacking you, just keeping it real.

 

[V6 Beast]

So Sully, what you are really saying here is you are not sure what makes a intercooler efficient, or are you just trying to imply that the BA isn't up to task because it is not on the "faster TSM cars"?

Ted,

When I read that statement this is what I get: You say that either I don't know what makes an IC efficient or I am saying the BA cooler isn't up to the task. Since neither of those are even close to correct or someone tries to put words in my mouth, I consider it an attack. Maybe you can clear it up.

 

[S2V6RACER]

Ted,

When I read that statement this is what I get: You say that either I don't know what makes an IC efficient or I am saying the BA cooler isn't up to the task. Since neither of those are even close to correct, I consider it an attack. Maybe you can clear it up.

Basically, just because the BA didn't happen to make it on what you consider a fast TSM car doesn't make it any more/less of a choice for the fella here asking, plain and simple. You said you didn't know of any cars that went faster because of a I/C upgrade so there may be more to efficiency than just temps.

To use the word "may" would lead the basic general public to think that you are not sure if there is another piece of information that comes to play. How about saying: There is more to efficiency than just temps then?

I asked you if you were not sure about efficiency then a few posts later, you concluded you do in fact know. Could have just answered a simple yes or no to me, but you take it as a attack.

 

[V6 Beast]

I asked you if you were not sure about efficiency then a few posts later, you concluded you do in fact know. Could have just answered a simple yes or no to me, but you take it as a attack.

Wow. Do you even read what you post?

If you would have asked me "Are you not sure what about efficiency" then you would have gotten your answer. But you didn't ask a question, what you did was make a STATEMENT on your interpretation of my post "So Sully, what you are really saying here is you are not sure what makes a intercooler efficient" That is not a question.

Now my question to you. If you don't care what I think, why even comment on my posts?

 

[V6 Beast]

Basically, just because the BA didn't happen to make it on what you consider a fast TSM car doesn't make it any more/less of a choice for the fella here asking, plain and simple.

BTW I was just stating facts about none of the TSM cars. Like I posted, I would not even begin to make a recommendation on an IC for the guy without some info on his combo. Personally I don't think there is one IC for every application. I certainly would not use a 5" FM on a car with a TA-49 for example.

 

[John Wilde]

I think this has gone far enough.
Please let's take this off line if it has to continue.

 

[SGRIM]

You know what, I feel like I am having Dejavu here or something

The "octagon" has been set up for a while at T6P. We just have not opened it yet. I guess I may have to do this so you guys can fight it out over there.

Anybody want to guess how many PM's I have this morning because of this thread??????????????????????????????????

Until somebody takes all the I/C's out there and does a real scientific test on them with all variables taken into account a lot of this stuff is speculation. It is not fair to trash someones product unless there is hard evidence of such. Just because one cooler works better with one setup does not mean it would work just as well on another IMO, I do have enough since to realize there are so many variables to take into account on this issue.


Bottom line LEAVE THIS CONSTANT ARGUING OUT OF TECH!

 

[Lee_Burough]

Button, Button, who has the button....

I think this has gone far enough.
Please let's take this off line if it has to continue.

Wish I had thought to say this....Mature, and Extremely well said.

I worked with a POW from the Viet Nam era some years back. As we worked from day to day, he shared some of the poking, prodding, and beating he learned to endure as a POW. I took a life lesson from his experience and I want to share it with you here (yes, it has something to do with intercooler threads ). If you' are not interested, I take no offense.

This Air Force Pilot, turned physician, taught me that people in this world will learn where your 'hot spots' are located and will poke and prod you in those spots for the pure pleasure of it. He called these spots "'hot' buttons."

After being manipulated, and tortured for a long time during his captivity, and finding himself helpless in the involuntary ways he responded to that environment, he made it his life's work to collect/confiscate 'hot' buttons from those around him, so he could no longer be manipulated by those people. His purpose was to live his life unaffected by the actions/words of those around him who would press buttons when they wanted a particular response from him.

From the posts I read here, I'd say that two or three sides on this argument have buttons wired directly to individuals who cannot resist stirring the pot about intercoolers. To those I'd say "Take back the buttons" and eliminate your need to respond to the issues that you allow to incite your anger.

Like Gerald Ford Said, I'm beholding to no man, and only one woman.... I've worked real hard these 20 years to collect buttons that I've allowed to control me from time to time. Life is easy now.

And, to keep something about Buick Tech here, I like any Buick with an intercooler....Now, back to the original subject of the thread, If anybody has actually tried a BA intercooler, this is a good place to make mention of it.

 

[salvageV6]

Thanks for deleting my post.

Looks like the truth stretchers win this one.... again.

Best of luck getting any good TSM car data on it. :wink:

 

[Westside500]

Well I have tried calling Ba performance for days now.. nobody answers the phone.. hmmmm

Hell **** talking is the best part of racing!

 

[John Wilde]

Well I have tried calling Ba performance for days now.. nobody answers the phone.. hmmmm

Hell **** talking is the best part of racing!

E-mail Mark at flyinggn@gmail.com
he is a great guy and works at BA.

 

[Westside500]

E-mail Mark at flyinggn@gmail.com
he is a great guy and works at BA.

Thanks John.. just emailed him.:biggrin:

 

[gnxtc2]

Wish I had thought to say this....Mature, and Extremely well said.



And, to keep something about Buick Tech here, I like any Buick with an intercooler....Now, back to the original subject of the thread, If anybody has actually tried a BA intercooler, this is a good place to make mention of it.

My original post

Billy T.
gnxtc2@aol.com

 

[John Wilde]

I have some information from Mark and BA that I will post.


Intercoolers will begin in three application sizes for boltin installation.
#1 BA = 28x18x4 w/ 3" alum tubes.
#2 BA+1 = 28x18x5 w/ 3" alum tubes.
#3 BMF = 28x18x6 w/ 3" alum tubes.
All bolt in in 30min with an empty front end with only 2 bolt holes to drill.

 

[John Wilde]

BA Information

We have a 6in core IC with 3" inlet/outlet setup for the Buick's which is a direct bolt in deal once the usual factory radiator rubber air ducting is removed. Clearance is pretty tight at the top of the grill and the IC is reduced slightly up top to fit but it fits and a little clearance at the top back corners of the grill can easily be done if needed as there's a plastic rib structure piece that sticks out but we haven't needed to touch it. It fits fine w/ the headlight buckets and bumper mounts unless there not factory and if not I imagine you have some alum mounts in there anyway so that shouldn't be a clearance issue either.

The IC is the biggest thing that will fit side to side, top to bottom and thick which will go in a Regal, period. The bottom of the core is about 1.5in below the core support but the tubes are tight to the core for ground clearance but still have a smooth radius for air entry into/outof the tanks. Two bolts at the top and a bracket at the bottom to bolt to the bottom center of the core support or you can of course fab whatever mounting system you want if your the crafty type.

We have a similar 5" IC going 9.0's w/ a 274V6 and a 88. This summer he was seeing charge air temps in the 10x range in the heat and running 28psi out the back so the turbo was generating plenty of heat and the IC was really taking care of it. So the 5in core has some easy 8's in it once the car can launch decently and from the outlet temps we've seem it has more reserve left and we really feel the 6 is too big for V6 applications so we really only offer it for V8 uses.

 

[laz]

[I heard Roy and Laz had some problems after that pass, it appears they have found the limit of the " New /QUOTE] Hey Dave we found a problem not a limit . Now for the record we ran 9.30s with the old Jack Cotton intercooler before we went to the new one and still run one on a customers car that runs low nines on radials so i would not say that his old intercoolers a P.O.S. . I would say that if you know what your doin (not directed towards anyone ) you can get the job done with any of the intercoolers on the market . I wanna add with Jacks new cooler we have run 8.80s with lots of room to spare we also ran 8.90s with a gt42 with no up pipe breathing all the hot air from the radiator so his intercooler is not too bad and our motors in one piece . We looking forward to running 8.50 real soon i will keep you informed .Laz

 

[Westside500]

Got my email from Mark at Ba.. They are bigger and cheaper than Rjc....

:smile:

 

[John Wilde]

Got my email from Mark at Ba.. They are bigger and cheaper than Rjc....

:smile:

I am glad, I called Mark to let him know about the action.