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Louster38 said:
By his bidding against honest bidders, them he IS making them bid higher.
Not really - you only know someone bid higher than you did - you have NO IDEA it is the owner of the item just jacking you up for more money than you would have to pay if it was an HONEST auction.
My honest gut feeling is he DID do it more than once. He did say, "They were not GN related items, things we sell for work."
"Things is a plural noun, more than one. Oh, he can say he had them all in one ad but yeah, right.
In my book, even ONCE is too many times for this crap. I would not buy a thing from him on eBay knowing what I know now. I doubt that many others would either if they knew what he did.
Trust is easily broken and hard to repair. Just saying, "I'm sorry I got caught and I won't do it again" isn't enough. Neither is a 7 day ban.
Do the crime, do the time.
Ban him for at least 6 months.leave it alone,like he said he asked a question about being banned..thats it ..not for people to hate all over him..he was saving money instead of putting a reserve and letting ebay make the money,and also put me on your list of guys not to buy from(tommynos),because before i pay ebay to put a reserve on something ill ask a friend,again,to bid it up to what i want....easy fix for making ebay ritcher..i bet if you send ebay a note stating you will pay them for the reserve you didnt put on that auction,you will be up and running...ebay is just mad because you tried to outsmart them,not scam buyers...PLAIN AND SIMPLE...
Raven said:My honest gut feeling is he DID do it more than once. He did say, "They were not GN related items, things we sell for work."
"Things is a plural noun, more than one. Oh, he can say he had them all in one ad but yeah, right.
I did say that I did bid on two items once each. That was in an earlier post. I did shill bid on 2 items. I am not trying to hide anything. I do not ask for your forgiveness. I know what I did was wrong, I admit it. I just did not realize how wrong it was when I did it. I DO NOW. gess some of you guys must have never done anything wrong. When I make a mistake I admit it and pay the price. I guess you must hide your mistakes.
As I mentioned before, saying that you are trying to keep ebay from getting more fees by not putting a Reserve Price on an item does not make any sense.
The Reserve price fees are all dropped if the item meets the reserve, and the final values fees then kick in instead.
If there is no reserve price and you or your buddy up the price by shilling, then your stuck with the final vlaue fees of whatever the ending price is.
If there is a reserve price and the reserve is not met, then you pay your reserve price fee which is about the same as what the final value fee would have been..its so negligible its not worth going thru the trouble for.
The Reserve price fees are all dropped if the item meets the reserve, and the final values fees then kick in instead.
If there is no reserve price and you or your buddy up the price by shilling, then your stuck with the final vlaue fees of whatever the ending price is.
If there is a reserve price and the reserve is not met, then you pay your reserve price fee which is about the same as what the final value fee would have been..its so negligible its not worth going thru the trouble for.
I guess that is the major problem I had. Did not understand the reserve part of placing a bid. If I had used the reserve then nothing would have happened, everything would be peachy. I feel stupid for not putting the reserve in the first place. I should have cancelled the two items and relisted with a reserve instead of placing the bids with my other accounts to act as a reserve.2QUIK6 said:
like i stated before my iq isnt too high :biggrin: all i know is when i put a reserve at 8k it cost me around 80 bux,it did sell and they charged me the fee?maybe it would have been the same with no reserve?anyway it is not a uncommon practice to bid on a non reserve auction as they do bring in more bidders...they have doing it for years,and will keep doing it.a no reserve auction sounds like you are getting a steal and we all knownothing is free..2QUIK6 said:
I guess personal responsibility isnt a virtue we all share
because if we did we would all hold the buyer responsible for determining what is a fair price for him. No one is forcing you to bid up on ebay, if you dont like the price dont buy it, it would be a scam if you were bidding on a non existent item, or you somehow had to pay more than you bid. Theres no scam, you pay what you want to pay.
You need to chill out raven, you remind me of the people that go into a store and pitch a bitch about some price mistake at the register expecting to get free stuff.
I take it you havent taken a basic economics class on how capitalism works.
because if we did we would all hold the buyer responsible for determining what is a fair price for him. No one is forcing you to bid up on ebay, if you dont like the price dont buy it, it would be a scam if you were bidding on a non existent item, or you somehow had to pay more than you bid. Theres no scam, you pay what you want to pay.
You need to chill out raven, you remind me of the people that go into a store and pitch a bitch about some price mistake at the register expecting to get free stuff.
I take it you havent taken a basic economics class on how capitalism works.
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Pronto said:Dummy, everyone knows you to a friend bid it up, not yourself
HOWL!!!!!!!!!!
Pablo said:
Dude, I've forgotten more about economics than you will ever know. I take it you haven't learned what honesty is. I don't expect free stuff but I do expect the seller to be honest. Is this 'wrong price trick' one of your failed manipulations that you got burned on? Because I would never have even thought of that one.
Anyone can make an HONEST mistake. It's the asses who do it clandestinely and then SAY it's an honest mistake after they get caught or those that defend their practices (like you) that I have a problem with. And to say that shilling is "No scam"??? Dude, where are your morals?
Apparently, you still haven't figured out what is right and what is wrong to do when you list items for auction. Wow.
IF shilling isn't a big deal and is NOT dishonest, then why would eBay ban people that do it? Why would other buyers be pissed when they find out it happens? Why wouldn't you just say up front "I listed the item but I'll be bidding against you so I can jack up what you would pay in an HONEST auction"?
If you can answer these question honestly and still defend shilling then you are just as bad as the person who does it.
But then again, I already knew that.
As far as jpratt goes, he says he's learned his lesson and that's all we have to go on. But still, to defend shilling as you have done and then turn around and attack someone who stands against it?
I need say no more. You've already said volumes about how you would be to deal with.
Good luck to you.
Raven said:
First off, you are making blind accusations about me or my business practices. I have never sold anything on ebay and dont work retail. I can't even remember the last thing I sold to someone to tell you the truth. Of the things I have sold, I have sold 99.99% of the time in person to avoid whiney people like yourself. In person you see what you get and theres no BS. If you have a problem with the price I tell you to find it elsewhere and stop wasting my time.
This is probably why I have a garage full of speed parts I would have moved ages ago had I wanted to deal with people that think they are doing me a favor (like some people around here) by buying my stuff.
The fact remains that if you dont want something, and you have a problem with the seller, then Don't Buy it
Ebay has a problem with it because its a business and they have an image to maintain, they want people to believe they can pick up a new viper for 5 grand if the stars are aligned on a particular auction.
I don't condone it, mostly because I would like to pick up that viper for 5 grand too.
Supply and demand dictates I wont, and if the demand is there the shilling doesnt matter anyway, as it has been stated now 100 times, people will pay what they think the item is worth. If they think they are getting price gouged, then the smart thing would be to discontinue bidding!
Simple enough concept for me to understand.
For some reason when I sold my car on Ebay, i ended up not having to pay anything at all to Ebay. I had a reserve for $17.2K and I stopped the auction becuase somebody called me and wanted to pay what my reserve was. I stopped the auction at $16.8K with 3 days left so I probably would have got more out of the car but the gentlemen that purchased my GN was a very nice guy so I wanted him to have it. All I wanted out of the car was $17.2 so I was happy. Well, I waited for the bill on my credit card and never recieved any? Is that normal, because if it is, people could use Ebay as free advertising if they end it early?
Depends how long ago this was, I think ebay just recently restructured their fee's. If you look on their "Fees" page under ebay help, it says "Reserve Fees (fully refunded if item sells)".tommynos said:
The last few items I sold I was surprised when I had several credits from ebay on my bill since the reserve price was met.
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jpratt said:
Ive never been banned from ebay, and i hope you never get reinstated...
I would love to view the auctions from all 3 accounts and see how often you were bidding on your own auctions.... Then see if you trumped them up.
Thats not right and you should know better than that, think of it this way, put yourself in someone elses shoes that you stole from...
When you get that empty feeling in your gut,the tingling feeling in your chest, and the hairs standing up on the back of your neck making you sleepless at night... Thats when you need to think to yourself....
Should i really try and do that again..
BW
Quick6'n'-K.C. said:
"Should I really try and do that again" NO I LEARNED A LESSON.
I send you a PM so you can view my past bidding. Then please post that you researched me and saw that I only did this once from two account. A total of 2 bids from different accounts. Please do not post my account names though.
Jeff
mine user name is tommynos,and ive done it...so what????when you post a NO RESERVE auction it draws in more buyers(only a sales tactick)..it works and its not stealing,because your the one bidding(its been going on for years)???..have you heard those commercials that go like this....everyone approved gauranteed,no credit,bad credit,bankruptacy,it dont matter,your approved?well they are saying if your credit sux and you want a $20,000 car,you have to put down $19,000 and they will finance the rest???its a sales tactick to get you in..now thats wasting your time,to drive up there and go threw all that bull...but to list a no reserve auction and draw in a crowd,then bid it up (yourself)to what you want only,is a smart thing to do..if you think the bids are getting to high,then stop bidding is that too hard to do???..and most likely it is a fair price,the seller was just looking to draw in a crowd,knowing he is letting it go cheap....look on ebay now..there is a 85 gn that says A REAL NO RESERVE,HI BIDDER WINS,its the 3rd time listing it after it sold as a real no reserve auction,im guessing,even tho he states different,that his bid was the last bid...and that would mean he is wanting too much,simple as that...not that he is a thief,he drew in a crowd and still didnt sell...like i stated before,you really think that barret jackson was all a no reserve auction?? I "PERSONALLY" KNOW BETTER FOR A FACT...are they thiefs?,are they not nice people?,should the show be banned?,no they are rich people that drew in a crowd..
is that too hard to do???..and most likely it is a fair price,the seller was just looking to draw in a crowd,knowing he is letting it go cheap....look on ebay now..there is a 85 gn that says A REAL NO RESERVE,HI BIDDER WINS,its the 3rd time listing it after it sold as a real no reserve auction,im guessing,even tho he states different,that his bid was the last bid...and that would mean he is wanting too much,simple as that...not that he is a thief,he drew in a crowd and still didnt sell...like i stated before,you really think that barret jackson was all a no reserve auction?? I "PERSONALLY" KNOW BETTER FOR A FACT...are they thiefs?,are they not nice people?,should the show be banned?,no they are rich people that drew in a crowd..Chad Oliver
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Sounds like bait and switch to me.
Otherwise you would have set your starting price higher rather that conspire a plot to create the illusion of demand for your product by ficticiously bidding on it.
Some of the lack of integrity on this board is amazing! The attitude of if they can afford it let them get screwed or they can always walk away. So if you had a less intellegent relative , lets say down syndrone, it would be ok to con them with an artificial demand scheme because they are willing to pay all of their allowance for a new widget? Their is no accountability because this is economics 101? what kind of demented SOB theory is this. There is a reason for the BBB and fair trade commision, etc.: for people attitudes like yours to be prosecuted through.
On a side note Kenneth Lay is looking for some good accounting help, afterall people in Cali paid whatever the power co asked because the power co. said there was too much demand. This was as fair as bid shilling on ebay
Otherwise you would have set your starting price higher rather that conspire a plot to create the illusion of demand for your product by ficticiously bidding on it.
Some of the lack of integrity on this board is amazing! The attitude of if they can afford it let them get screwed or they can always walk away. So if you had a less intellegent relative , lets say down syndrone, it would be ok to con them with an artificial demand scheme because they are willing to pay all of their allowance for a new widget? Their is no accountability because this is economics 101? what kind of demented SOB theory is this. There is a reason for the BBB and fair trade commision, etc.: for people attitudes like yours to be prosecuted through.
On a side note Kenneth Lay is looking for some good accounting help, afterall people in Cali paid whatever the power co asked because the power co. said there was too much demand. This was as fair as bid shilling on ebay
That same logic can be applied to someone conned into buying something they dont need because of advertising.
its actually one of the tactics of advertisers call the "bandwagon approach"
Really, if anyone tries to maximize profit they are ripping people off then right?
Its the responsibility of the consumer not the seller to know what he is buying and what is a fair price. If you are going to willingly pay me 100 dollars for a pencil I will be glad to take your money.
Your example about the power company is not applicable, because in that situation you essentially had a monopoly on an absolute necessity. I dont think anyone here is selling anything on ebay that isnt allready being sold there, and none of it is a necessity.
its actually one of the tactics of advertisers call the "bandwagon approach"
Really, if anyone tries to maximize profit they are ripping people off then right?
Its the responsibility of the consumer not the seller to know what he is buying and what is a fair price. If you are going to willingly pay me 100 dollars for a pencil I will be glad to take your money.
Your example about the power company is not applicable, because in that situation you essentially had a monopoly on an absolute necessity. I dont think anyone here is selling anything on ebay that isnt allready being sold there, and none of it is a necessity.
